The Internet Archive is defending its digital library in court today - Based Internet Archive vs Greedy (((publishers)))

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Book publishers and the Internet Archive will face off today in a hearing that could determine the future of library ebooks — deciding whether libraries must rely on the often temporary digital licenses that publishers offer or whether they can scan and lend copies of their own tomes.

At 1PM ET, a New York federal court will hear oral arguments in Hachette v. Internet Archive, a lawsuit over the archive’s Open Library program. The court will consider whether the Open Library violated copyright law by letting users “check out” digitized copies of physical books, an assertion several major publishers made in their 2020 suit. The case will be broadcast over teleconference, with the phone number available here.

The Open Library is built around a concept called controlled digital lending, or CDL: a system where libraries digitize copies of books in their collections and then offer access to them as ebooks on a one-to-one basis (i.e., if a library has a single copy of the book, it can keep the book in storage and let one person at a time access the ebook, something known as the “own-to-loan ratio.”) CDL is different from services like OverDrive or Amazon’s Kindle library program, which offer ebooks that are officially licensed out by publishers. It’s a comparatively non-standard practice despite implementation in places like the Boston Public Library, partially because it’s based on an interpretation of US copyright doctrine that hasn’t been strictly tested in court — but this is about to change.

This lawsuit wasn’t actually spurred by classic CDL. As physical libraries closed their doors in the first months of the coronavirus pandemic, the Internet Archive launched what it called the National Emergency Library, removing the “own-to-loan” restriction and letting unlimited numbers of people access each ebook with a two-week lending period. Publishers and some authors complained about the move. Legal action from Hachette Book Group, HarperCollins Publishers, John Wiley & Sons, and Penguin Random House — a list that includes three of the print industry’s “Big Five” publishers — followed soon after.

The lawsuit takes aim at the Internet Archive’s response to the pandemic, but its arguments are much broader

Publishers took aim not just at the National Emergency Library, however, but also at the Open Library and the theory of CDL in general. The service constitutes “willful digital piracy on an industrial scale,” the complaint alleged. “Without any license or any payment to authors or publishers, IA scans print books, uploads these illegally scanned books to its servers, and distributes verbatim digital copies of the books in whole via public-facing websites. With just a few clicks, any Internet-connected user can download complete digital copies of in-copyright books.” More generally, “CDL is an invented paradigm that is well outside copyright law ... based on the false premise that a print book and a digital book share the same qualities.”

The Internet Archive isn’t the only library or organization interested in CDL, and its benefits go beyond simple piracy. As a 2021 New Yorker article outlines, licensed ebooks give publishers and third-party services like OverDrive almost absolute control over how libraries can acquire and offer ebooks — including letting them set higher prices for libraries than they would for other buyers. (In 2021, Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) and Rep. Anna Eshoo (D-CA) took publishers to task for “expensive, restrictive” licensing agreements.) Libraries don’t own the ebooks in any meaningful sense, making them useless for archival purposes and even letting publishers retroactively change the text of books. And many books, particularly obscure, older, or out-of-print ones, don’t have official ebook equivalents.

Publishers can offer unique benefits, too, like the obvious fact that they let libraries get around literally scanning the books. Unofficial scans are sometimes rough and inconvenient compared to, say, a neatly formatted Kindle title. Even in a world where CDL was uncontroversial, many libraries might choose to go with official licensed versions. But there are clear reasons why libraries would want the option to digitize and lend their own books, too. CDL advocates argue it’s philosophically akin to conventional lending, which also lets lots of people access the same book while only purchasing it once.

The legal situation is much dicier and depends on how you interpret earlier cases about US fair use rules, which let people use copyrighted material without permission. On one hand, the publishers’ reference to “illegally scanned books” notwithstanding, courts have protected the right to digitize books without permission. A 2014 ruling found that fair use covered a massive digital preservation project by Google Books and HathiTrust, which scanned a vast number of books to create a database with full searchable text.

“The Open Library is not a library, it is an unlicensed aggregator and pirate site.”

On the other, services like ReDigi — which let people place music files that they owned in a digital “locker” and sell them — have been shut down by courts. So have services like Aereo, which tried to get around paying rebroadcasting fees by receiving individual over-the-air TV signals from tiny antennas and streaming them to subscribers. Both cases involved someone trying to use a digital file in an unapproved way, and neither made much progress. CDL legal theorists argue that the ReDigi case doesn’t spell doom for unauthorized library ebook lending, but until a court rules, we won’t know.

The publishers’ complaint also relies heavily on arguing the nonprofit Internet Archive isn’t running a real library. As one header put it, “The Open Library is not a library, it is an unlicensed aggregator and pirate site.” Among other things, publishers argue that the organization is a commercial operation that’s received affiliate link revenue and has received money for digitizing library books. In a response, the Internet Archive says it’s received around $5,500 total in affiliate revenue and that its digital scanning service is separate from the Open Library.

American fair use law depends on balancing several factors. That includes whether the new work is transformative — basically, whether it serves a purpose different from the copyrighted work it’s using — as well as how it affects the original work’s value and whether the new work is a commercial product. (Contrary to one popular misconception, commercially sold work isn’t automatically disqualified from fair use protections.) Whatever judgment a court makes will be specific to the Internet Archive’s fairly unique situation.

But the ruling may lay out broader principles and reasoning that could affect any attempt to repurpose physical books in ways publishers don’t approve of. Digital rights organization Fight for the Future has supported the Internet Archive with a campaign called Battle for Libraries, arguing that the lawsuit threatens the ability of libraries to hold their own digital copies of books. “Major publishers offer no option for libraries to permanently purchase digital books and carry out their traditional role of preservation,” the site notes. “It’s important that libraries actually own digital books, so that thousands of librarians all over are independently preserving the files.”

And if the Internet Archive loses the case, it could potentially be on the hook for billions of dollars in damages. That could threaten other parts of its operation like the Wayback Machine, which preserves websites and has become a vital archival resource.

Either way, it’s a potentially landmark copyright case — and the arguments of both sides are getting their first real test later today.
 
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Yes, there's still the matter of damages. This summary judgement just means "We're skipping the trial and going right to the part where we decide your punishment".
The publishers are asking for all the "damages they suffered" because of IA's library program, and this is likely to be a massively inflated number, as is typical in these cases. (Clearly every single user who downloaded 'The Star Wars Juneteenth Cookbook' would have really bought a copy for $75 otherwise, right?) So the concern is that the stuff actually worth saving at IA might go down with the ship.

We'll have to see how it goes. No point in doomposting before we know what the damages are. One thing to consider is that the publishers may ask for minimal damages in order to try and prevent an all out revolt of people against them. It's not likely that people will forget what they did if they end up completely destroying the IA. You can see how angry people already are at just the summary judgement. The publishers, if they were smart, would ask for $1 in symbolic damages, and take the judgement they were handed as a W and walk away. I guarantee it was far more important to them to stop this practice from continuing rather than recouping what is likely a small amount of actual damages. They could go full retard and ask for $1 billion dollars in actual and punitive damages, who knows. We'll just have to wait and see how retarded this shit gets.
 
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Looking for some of those online "lawyers" to cover this and really pick it apart just for fun (none have as of yet) I came across this guy.

It's nothing we don't already know but he does quote and explain some excerpts from the ruling. He doesn't do that bad of a job.

Basically, if you want to hear someone talk about this shit rather than read about it, this guy does.. ok.

Quick Edit: it's 14:35 long, I didn't find myself bored though.

If the time stamp didn't work, basically just start in at 3:10
The first 3 minutes explain what the video is about (covered here) and has a pause for "click to sub" kinda shit.

It also seems to be very objective to me, just the facts of what's happened so far,
and he links the 47 page summary judgement PDF in his youtube info.
I'm certain it's be posted here (https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23723923/hachette-v-internet-archive-ruling.pdf)
 
I wasn't talking about Kiwi Farms users, where the userbase is well aware of the dying big-I Internet and the need to archive everything, it's the average person, especially zoomers and younger who don't even remember how the Internet used to be.
Don't rely on the average person, the average person is a dumbass. Rely on turbo autists and pray you don't get a virus.
 
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One thing to consider is that the publishers may ask for minimal damages in order to try and prevent an all out revolt of people against them. It's not likely that people will forget what they did if they end up completely destroying the IA. You can see how angry people already are at just the summary judgement. The publishers, if they were smart, would ask for $1 in symbolic damages, and take the judgement they were handed as a W and walk away. I guarantee it was far more important to them to stop this practice from continuing rather than recouping what is likely a small amount of actual damages. They could go full retard and ask for $1 billion dollars in actual and punitive damages, who knows. We'll just have to wait and see how retarded this shit gets.

While I agree this is the sane approach I gave you the rainbow, because we're living in the clown world. Publishers greed knows no bounds, here are some good examples of their pricing practices and structures, which have been made public in the UK by the fed up librarians, due to the ongoing ebook sos campaign.

US has different laws, so I guess they cannot take it into such extremes there, but I bet they're salivating at the mere thought ...

[Edit: Angerlish is hard]
 
Don't need to go that far.

Go to Cuba. They all are also pro-sharing.
Have you noticed how there are far more people doing anything to escape cuba than iran?

That's because despite the medieval religious shit, making a living and doing business in iran its much easier than in cuba.

Sure you might get thrown off a building if gay, but in cuba there is no food, there are no supplies to build or make anything, and of course there's no fucking money.

"bUt waT abOOt thE wAhMen?"

Yes the iranian woman has to go outside dressed like its halloween every day of every year of her life while the cuban woman can wear a bikini 24x7 if she feels like, but the cuban lady also needs to prostitute herself (and maybe her daughters too) to canadian and european tourists (who are totally there for the beaches and socialist solidarity and not to take advantage of poverty-stricken women and little girls like the coomer pedos they are) for the price of a happy meal despite having a PhD in neurology because she gets paid less than that in a month. And even when she gets the money the stores barely have even the basics like soap and toilet paper because the cuban government its borderline retarded.

Meanwhile the iranian woman despite living in a country with an actual international embargo (cuba can trade with literally anybody except us, problem is they got nothing to trade besides overrated cigars and skelly hookers) can find anything she wants because the government of iran might be a bunch of medieval fucks but they can actually manage a working economy while the cuban commies managed to turn one of the richest countries in LATAM into a shithole only comparable to haiti.

Point is the IA could actually run from iran but in cuba they would have to deal with the lack of everything let alone server parts, spotty-at-best power with brownouts every day and an internet service that's stuck in the early 2000's.
 
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The pandemic lending program that IA started was always so stupid, I don't know what they were thinking. It flies in the face of every copyright/publishing agreement. It's not even a matter of disrupting the industry by taking advantage of a loophole. It was just always blatantly illegal. There were already clearly established ways for libraries to distribute digital copies that never ran into any problems. Ethically, maybe some people want it to be less strict, and maybe there are ways those agreements could be renegotiated in greater favor of authors, but that is not the issue at hand.

It just feels like everyone's like "libraries!" "greedy publishing companies!" "access!" to disguise the fact that IA was absolutely not abiding by any of the agreements in place. If you have such a problem as an author with the way lending works, don't encourage illegality to change it because you're going to get your entire ass handed to you.
 
It just feels like everyone's like "libraries!" "greedy publishing companies!" "access!" to disguise the fact that IA was absolutely not abiding by any of the agreements in place. If you have such a problem as an author with the way lending works, don't encourage illegality to change it because you're going to get your entire ass handed to you.
It was asininely stupid and they didn't even try ANYTHING reasonably intelligent (make a fuss and try to get popular pressure to get the publishers to relent a bit, offer money/agreements to particular authors BYPASSING publishers, being explicit about using out of copyright works, being explicit about using out of print works).

If they had done ANY of the above, they might have some sliver of a case (the out of print one would have been among the most interesting because it's already a bit of a loophole question in copyright law).

Hell they didn't even go the legally dubious route of setting up a piracy site and linking to it, heh. Or at a bare minimum creating a legally separate entity to get turbofucked.
 
Welp, looks like it's time to buy some hard drives and start strip mining IA. Just in case.
According the the ubiquitous Internet Archive volunteer archivist Jason Scott: As of 3 years ago the IA was over 50 petabytes.
A full archive of all the Archive would be a MASSIVE undertaking. If you were interested in certain IA collections, you could grab those fairly easily with the IA's tool he blogs about here.

However, archiving the archive is one thing, but bitrot is another. Having 50pb of drives isn't enough, you need servers to keep that shit live, you need a RAID and a bitrot resistant long term storage. If you outsourced this to Amazon S3 Glacier's cheapest tier, you're looking at between $49,500 to $51,905 a month depending on whether that's a standard petabyte, or a Seagate petabyte... this is not counting what it would cost to actually host or use that data.

Do you have screencaps of that interaction? Seems funny.
I did take some screenshots of the fallout, I'd need to find them, though. My screenshot cataloging skills leave much to be desired.

If I remember, it was more sad than funny, not much of a true spergout.
 
A full archive of all the Archive would be a MASSIVE undertaking. If you were interested in certain IA collections, you could grab those fairly easily with the IA's tool he blogs about here.

However, archiving the archive is one thing, but bitrot is another. Having 50pb of drives isn't enough, you need servers to keep that shit live, you need a RAID and a bitrot resistant long term storage. If you outsourced this to Amazon S3 Glacier's cheapest tier, you're looking at between $49,500 to $51,905 a month depending on whether that's a standard petabyte, or a Seagate petabyte... this is not counting what it would cost to actually host or use that data.
It's a shame consoomers don't have petabyte holodiscs by now, but even if we had that all archives would get bigger too.

The best course of action is to grab from collections you're interested in and keep a modest amount on personal storage (e.g. 5-100 TB). There is undoubtedly a bunch of videos on IA that are completely unnecessary and redundant. Some of them are even blocked from IA search for copyright reasons, so they could be hard to locate anyway.

Important Wayback Machine entries that are dead on the Web can be rearchived on archive.ph fairly easily. I've had trouble with Ghost Archive lately, but it could be a second option.

I hope they have a plan to keep copies alive even if their organization crumbles, although I've expected archive.ph to bite the dust first since it's a ~one man operation and too based. I think we would see Google bail Internet Archive out or take ownership of their storage racks, but what they would do with it afterwards is another story.
 
The Internet Archive Lost. (Archive)
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Literally Fahrenheit 451.
 
Literally Fahrenheit 451.
“We need not to be let alone. We need to be really bothered once in a while. How long is it since you were really bothered? About something important, about something real?”

I will make it my life goal to watch the death of every last free speech and free information hating Jew corporation if it’s the last thing I fucking do
 
Well rip. Hope you start archiving the essentials. Literature for non-pozzed materials as well as useful stuff in general.

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The guy that ran a site that worshipped pic related had a stash of useful PDFs bundled into one zip file nailed it right on the head that useful information will be rendered illegal in the future.

We're witnessing the burning of Alexandria but this time by Jews. Archive, archive, archive.
 
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