The Last of Us Franchise - Because it's apparently a franchise now. This thread has been double-DMCA’d by Sony Interactive Entertainment.

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I can't find it now but some Germanfag posted that an electronics retailer was bundling in copies of TLOU2 with the purchase of a new PS4 controller.

You don't do that if your product is selling well.
Yeah we've done it with Fallout 76 as well.

My aunt flatout said that there were hundreds of copies still in the store and to get rid of them they've used the "Final Solution"
 
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Drunkmann is still at it again, with trying to milk Joel, on Father's Day, even though the Joel-in-One happened 2 years ago.
 
Ryan Bloom of video game website/YouTube show Better Late than Never gives us his thoughts on TLOU remake:
I bought The Last of Us Remastered when I got my PS4 in 2017 and that PS5 version makes me never want to play it. Not because I want to play it on the PS5 (should I ever end up with one), but because “The Cult of Naughty Dog” is starting to get creepy.

The PS5 version is totally, wholly unnecessary, and at best should be a free upgrade for people who already own the PS4 version. I would barely even classify it as a “remake” given they are just taking the existing assets and touching up the visuals.

Outside of the cutscenes, I’m not sure it’s going to look that vastly different, either. Obviously side-by-side comparisons are going to prove me wrong, but nobody is actually going to be playing these games side-by-side, and unless you have the game memorized, I doubt most people will be able to pick out what’s specifically different. Mostly it’ll just be a general sense of “they said it was better, but I don’t know the exact details.”

And even if it is vastly different, maybe that’s not even necessarily a good thing? Like we’ve had two Last of Us games. And this will be the third time they’re asking people to re-buy that first game. The first game of two total. Is there really that much left of the original vision left to capture, or are they drinking the George Lucas juice?

I mean, even Square-Enix, known for over-charging for everything (the “Square Tax” as it was called), gave away Final Fantasy VII Intergrade for free if you already owned the PS4 version.

And Sony and Naughty Dog are out there like “That’ll be $70, please. $100 if you’re nasty.”

Are they insane? I hope this crashes and burns. If you have that much disposable income, what are you doing buying another full-price version of a game that’s already come out twice?

I have no sympathy, tolerance, or understanding of that. It is a world I am totally unfamiliar with.

At least with Skyrim, it makes sense. I have played 138 hours of Skyrim and I don’t think I’m even halfway through the main quest yet. It would make more sense if Skyrim let you transfer your save between different versions, but with mods I assume that would be difficult to manage. Either way, there’s this idea that you can play Skyrim for hundreds of hours and never see everything, so putting out new versions of that game makes more sense to me. And a lot of Skyrim remasters are pretty basic, too!

I don’t think there’s hundreds of hours of game in The Last of Us. I’m sure it’s more open than Uncharted, but it’s not a Skyrim. Naughty Dog, by their own admission, specializes in linear, “cinematic” type games. Not open world RPGs.

On top of that, I think the visuals in the original generally end up looking better, too. I guess the facial animation in the PS5 version is indisputably better but the material rendering seems to be… questionable.
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Is this like Zombieland, but instead of being obsessed with finding the last remaining boxes of twinkies, Joel is obsessed with silk shirts now? For a zombie apocalypse where everyone is constantly sweaty and filthy, his shirt now looks incredibly soft and comfortable.

It’s also the sort of thing I’ve touched on before – giving people options they didn’t think they wanted. Changing something for the sake of changing it and then opening up the door to pointless debates that didn’t matter. People would have gone down saying how “The Last of Us Remastered on PS4 still looks incredible” but now there’s this $70 option that muddies the waters for no good reason. Nobody would have cared, but now they’ve been told they need to care, because oh my gosh, there’s 40 more polygons in Joel’s right cheek you guys.

What it looks like doesn’t matter to me when it represents such a waste of pretty much everything
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Ryan Bloom of video game website/YouTube show Better Late than Never gives us his thoughts on TLOU remake:
I bought The Last of Us Remastered when I got my PS4 in 2017 and that PS5 version makes me never want to play it. Not because I want to play it on the PS5 (should I ever end up with one), but because “The Cult of Naughty Dog” is starting to get creepy.

The PS5 version is totally, wholly unnecessary, and at best should be a free upgrade for people who already own the PS4 version. I would barely even classify it as a “remake” given they are just taking the existing assets and touching up the visuals.

Outside of the cutscenes, I’m not sure it’s going to look that vastly different, either. Obviously side-by-side comparisons are going to prove me wrong, but nobody is actually going to be playing these games side-by-side, and unless you have the game memorized, I doubt most people will be able to pick out what’s specifically different. Mostly it’ll just be a general sense of “they said it was better, but I don’t know the exact details.”

And even if it is vastly different, maybe that’s not even necessarily a good thing? Like we’ve had two Last of Us games. And this will be the third time they’re asking people to re-buy that first game. The first game of two total. Is there really that much left of the original vision left to capture, or are they drinking the George Lucas juice?

I mean, even Square-Enix, known for over-charging for everything (the “Square Tax” as it was called), gave away Final Fantasy VII Intergrade for free if you already owned the PS4 version.

And Sony and Naughty Dog are out there like “That’ll be $70, please. $100 if you’re nasty.”

Are they insane? I hope this crashes and burns. If you have that much disposable income, what are you doing buying another full-price version of a game that’s already come out twice?

I have no sympathy, tolerance, or understanding of that. It is a world I am totally unfamiliar with.

At least with Skyrim, it makes sense. I have played 138 hours of Skyrim and I don’t think I’m even halfway through the main quest yet. It would make more sense if Skyrim let you transfer your save between different versions, but with mods I assume that would be difficult to manage. Either way, there’s this idea that you can play Skyrim for hundreds of hours and never see everything, so putting out new versions of that game makes more sense to me. And a lot of Skyrim remasters are pretty basic, too!

I don’t think there’s hundreds of hours of game in The Last of Us. I’m sure it’s more open than Uncharted, but it’s not a Skyrim. Naughty Dog, by their own admission, specializes in linear, “cinematic” type games. Not open world RPGs.

On top of that, I think the visuals in the original generally end up looking better, too. I guess the facial animation in the PS5 version is indisputably better but the material rendering seems to be… questionable.
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Is this like Zombieland, but instead of being obsessed with finding the last remaining boxes of twinkies, Joel is obsessed with silk shirts now? For a zombie apocalypse where everyone is constantly sweaty and filthy, his shirt now looks incredibly soft and comfortable.

It’s also the sort of thing I’ve touched on before – giving people options they didn’t think they wanted. Changing something for the sake of changing it and then opening up the door to pointless debates that didn’t matter. People would have gone down saying how “The Last of Us Remastered on PS4 still looks incredible” but now there’s this $70 option that muddies the waters for no good reason. Nobody would have cared, but now they’ve been told they need to care, because oh my gosh, there’s 40 more polygons in Joel’s right cheek you guys.

What it looks like doesn’t matter to me when it represents such a waste of pretty much everything
.
A wise man once said: If it ain’t broken, don't fix it.
 
Ryan Bloom of video game website/YouTube show Better Late than Never gives us his thoughts on TLOU remake:
I bought The Last of Us Remastered when I got my PS4 in 2017 and that PS5 version makes me never want to play it. Not because I want to play it on the PS5 (should I ever end up with one), but because “The Cult of Naughty Dog” is starting to get creepy.

The PS5 version is totally, wholly unnecessary, and at best should be a free upgrade for people who already own the PS4 version. I would barely even classify it as a “remake” given they are just taking the existing assets and touching up the visuals.

Outside of the cutscenes, I’m not sure it’s going to look that vastly different, either. Obviously side-by-side comparisons are going to prove me wrong, but nobody is actually going to be playing these games side-by-side, and unless you have the game memorized, I doubt most people will be able to pick out what’s specifically different. Mostly it’ll just be a general sense of “they said it was better, but I don’t know the exact details.”

And even if it is vastly different, maybe that’s not even necessarily a good thing? Like we’ve had two Last of Us games. And this will be the third time they’re asking people to re-buy that first game. The first game of two total. Is there really that much left of the original vision left to capture, or are they drinking the George Lucas juice?

I mean, even Square-Enix, known for over-charging for everything (the “Square Tax” as it was called), gave away Final Fantasy VII Intergrade for free if you already owned the PS4 version.

And Sony and Naughty Dog are out there like “That’ll be $70, please. $100 if you’re nasty.”

Are they insane? I hope this crashes and burns. If you have that much disposable income, what are you doing buying another full-price version of a game that’s already come out twice?

I have no sympathy, tolerance, or understanding of that. It is a world I am totally unfamiliar with.

At least with Skyrim, it makes sense. I have played 138 hours of Skyrim and I don’t think I’m even halfway through the main quest yet. It would make more sense if Skyrim let you transfer your save between different versions, but with mods I assume that would be difficult to manage. Either way, there’s this idea that you can play Skyrim for hundreds of hours and never see everything, so putting out new versions of that game makes more sense to me. And a lot of Skyrim remasters are pretty basic, too!

I don’t think there’s hundreds of hours of game in The Last of Us. I’m sure it’s more open than Uncharted, but it’s not a Skyrim. Naughty Dog, by their own admission, specializes in linear, “cinematic” type games. Not open world RPGs.

On top of that, I think the visuals in the original generally end up looking better, too. I guess the facial animation in the PS5 version is indisputably better but the material rendering seems to be… questionable.
View attachment 3417937
Is this like Zombieland, but instead of being obsessed with finding the last remaining boxes of twinkies, Joel is obsessed with silk shirts now? For a zombie apocalypse where everyone is constantly sweaty and filthy, his shirt now looks incredibly soft and comfortable.

It’s also the sort of thing I’ve touched on before – giving people options they didn’t think they wanted. Changing something for the sake of changing it and then opening up the door to pointless debates that didn’t matter. People would have gone down saying how “The Last of Us Remastered on PS4 still looks incredible” but now there’s this $70 option that muddies the waters for no good reason. Nobody would have cared, but now they’ve been told they need to care, because oh my gosh, there’s 40 more polygons in Joel’s right cheek you guys.

What it looks like doesn’t matter to me when it represents such a waste of pretty much everything
.
The new models in the TLOU remake just look off in an intrinsic way to me. New Joel looks TOO real if that makes sense. Too weathered, his nose and jaw a little less sharp for some reason, I can't put my finger on it but I don't like it,
 
The new models in the TLOU remake just look off in an intrinsic way to me. New Joel looks TOO real if that makes sense. Too weathered, his nose and jaw a little less sharp for some reason, I can't put my finger on it but I don't like it,
I think it's called hyperrealism. IIRC it triggers the part of your brain that also registers uncanny valley. Your brain knows it's fake, but also registers how real it looks.

Kind of like the 'too good to be true' of visuals. I get the same thing when I see animations in 60fps, it just looks jarring, even though it is closer to reality.
 
I can't believe they changed the fireflies so that they're all the members of the LBGTQ+ community and Joel has finally done the gay genocide that they keep talking about
Jerry Anderson: I won't let you take her. This is our future. Think of all the lives we'll save. Only through enforced trans surgery can Ellie have a normal life as a femme female To Male Trans saviour and stop the virus of transphobia!
Joel Miller: *cackling whilst cradling the decapitated head of an innocent Firefly BIPOC child* I'll never let that happen, she's mine! She belongs to the patriarchy! This is MAGA country!"
 
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The TV show has Joel and Ellie exploring a dilapidated shopping mall and while Joel is exploring around he gets hit by a falling down mannequin who was dressed in golf attire and holding a club.
*Joel turns to the camera, almost breaking the 4th wall, for an artificial and uncomfortable amount of time*
"It's okay, Ellie, It'll take more than a golf club to kill me, y'know" *nervous unconvincing laughter*
 
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The weird thing is TLOU2 was large enough for 2 games, frankly. The plethora of throwback scenes, while good, added a lot of padding to it, like they were scenes meant or designed to be in a tv show.

I've said before that I enjoyed TLOU2, but I played it immediately after finishing TLOU after trying to finish that for years. I already knew about Joel's death, it affected me but not to the point of culture war psychosis.

So, I don't know why they're trying to get blood out of a stone here. Money, I guess....
 
They've driven the creative talent out of Naughty Dog so this is all they can do.
Neil Druckmann and Herman Hulst's power grab drove the talent out of Sony entirely, not just ND. Entire other teams at Sony fled rather than become one of dozens of "support teams" working on Naughty Dog and Guerilla's games for them
 
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