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The closest example I thought of is the final boss of Diablo 2 is, I believe, who you played in Diablo, but I doubt that counts because you were hardly a character in Diablo and you do stick the evil gem in your forehead to become a demon at the end anyway, for no discernable reason.

They also killed most of the NPCs from the first one, and I believe in Diablo 3 at least one is a villain now, but again, there's not really character there to get upset about.
 
Just curious is there any other game out there that does anything remotely like this? A game that forces you to play as a villain that mutilates and tortures the protagonists? I play way more video games than is safe or healthy and I can't name one.
Warcraft 3 lets you play as the Undead, right after you have finished the Human campaign where Arthas (Human protagonist) turns evil and burns the remaning Human kingdoms to the ground. In fact, the first mission of the expansion pack Undead campaign has you slaughter refugee caravans.
Was my first experience playing a bad guy in a game, blew my mind as a kid.
 
I think she knew it was the right Joel because his brother is Tommy, who used to be one of the Fireflies so they would presumably know who he was. Killing every Joel who had a brother named Tommy narrows it down a little.

I think it's plausible, but the game did a terrible job explaining it.

This is how I read the situation. But still, the scene where Owen and Abby look out over Jackson he makes a point that "It's a lot of people down there". Even with the brother thing, you'd think she might want to take one second to make sure she got the right person before blowing them away. Especially since these two just rescued her!

I'm guessing Druckmann thought taking the time to do that would interrupt the flow of scene or something? But it would make a lot more sense for the group to all sit down with them, maybe have a hot drink or something to warm up from the cold, and then start asking a few prodding questions to see if it's really that Joel.

You could have Joel become increasingly nervous about the questions about his past. Maybe him and Tommy do something clever to try and escape but they get caught...I dunno, I'm not a writer. All I know is that the shotgun blast made me burst out laughing with how sudden and nonsensical it seemed.
 
When in the holy heck will writers get it through their thick skulls that "subverting expectations" just for the sake of it does NOT automatically make your story a "deep, compelling, and thematically rich work of art"?

This is not done for the sake of the reader. It's done because the writer utterly hates the reader.
 
"the game is about Joel and Ellie and their relationship"
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And of course, some TV Tropes users still hold onto the slight bit of hope that proper context will save the game when responding to when I posted it:


"Again, why are we judging the game so harshly based on bullet points and out of context clips of the ending?"

"Because this is the internet and social media. What else is it for but to generate outrage over random out of context bullshit?"
 
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Just how does Abby know for sure Joel is the guy? It's just too convenient and killing every guy named Joel is too dumb, in that kind of setting I find it hard to believe that she would actually find Joel and know for sure it's the guy who killed her insane father or does he mention it? "lolz yeah I once killed that random faggot doctor". If she is killing every guy named Joel it means there's no photos nor videos of him, nothing, Joel did nothing wrong, he did everything correct, legally, everything was right and now he gets fucked dood.

There's no universe where Abby gets accepted as a likeable character, there shouldn't be but then again we live in a universe where Nu Star Wars actually has fans, stuff like Volcano Lava School or High or whatever furry shit that was gets into a Sony PS5 presentation and looneys are harrasing people for not sharing a dumbass hashtag so I really don't fucking know anymore.

By the way, if that's truly the ending I really don't see how are they going to do the sequel, there's just nowhere to go.

She doesn't. Even with the convoluted "Hey, that's Tommy, so this must be the right place." still requires them to drive, what? nearly 900 miles to try and find them? Jackson's in fucking Wyoming while Seattle's obviously where it fucking is.

How the fuck did they get the fuel for that when they've collapsed to a splinter group in Washington State? Or if they walked it's a 2 week+ journey.

Like, bare in mind SUV's in 2012 (likely the last full year vehicles were made in LTOU) the average was 50mpg, assuming you drove them to their own stupid testing conditions (no air con, no radio, feathering the gas). Reality when owned is 30mpg or less. Meaning probably a 300 mile range without refueling. So they'd have to have had a storage outpost in that direction and not places where there's more valuable loot available.


This is how I read the situation. But still, the scene where Owen and Abby look out over Jackson he makes a point that "It's a lot of people down there". Even with the brother thing, you'd think she might want to take one second to make sure she got the right person before blowing them away. Especially since these two just rescued her!

I'm guessing Druckmann thought taking the time to do that would interrupt the flow of scene or something? But it would make a lot more sense for the group to all sit down with them, maybe have a hot drink or something to warm up from the cold, and then start asking a few prodding questions to see if it's really that Joel.

You could have Joel become increasingly nervous about the questions about his past. Maybe him and Tommy do something clever to try and escape but they get caught...I dunno, I'm not a writer. All I know is that the shotgun blast made me burst out laughing with how sudden and nonsensical it seemed.

Somewhere as big and secure as Jackson is going to make anyone shit themselves upon seeing it. In LTOU there's about 40 houses in Jackson within the walls, and that's before more people come in. You could easily sit four to a house in those places (and easily double that with the size of American Homes) meaning bare minimum Jackson had nearly 200 people.

Throw in more survivors over 4 years and you could easily bump that up to 4-500. Never mind that in such a world where there's little to do, people will get screwing.

Electricity got knocked out in 77 in NYC for just 25 hours and the result was a blip in birth rates. If you want to see fanatical fighting? Try pissing off a community with clear childcare facilities or children running around in the streets.

Is this new leaked footage? Anyone got a link if so?

Doubt they could fake a character swap like that.
 
"the game is about Joel and Ellie and their relationship"
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From the first batch of leaked footage, I believe there is a playable Ellie and Joel scene later in the game (looked like the two of you are looking around a school or something). This would obviously need to be Ellie remembering an earlier time.
 
Oh god they still are going through with that horrible television adaptation? Yines.

Zombies are fucking overdone to death alongside vampires, witches, and werewolves. Give me mermaids and stuff lol
"Oh, so it's a tv series about a post apoc zombie thing where humans are the real monsters? Why don't I just put on one of the 90 seasons of The Walking Dead? Or Sci-Fi Channel's cheaper Walking Dead ripoff? Or just one of Romero's Dead movies because that's over in 90 minutes"
 
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"Oh, so it's a tv series about a post apoc zombie thing where humans are the real monsters? Why don't I just put on one of the 90 seasons of The Walking Dead? Or Sci-Fi Channel's cheaper Walking Dead ripoff? Or just one of Romero's Dead movies because that's over in 90 minutes"

Z Nation and Black Summer do it better.
 
She doesn't. Even with the convoluted "Hey, that's Tommy, so this must be the right place." still requires them to drive, what? nearly 900 miles to try and find them? Jackson's in fucking Wyoming while Seattle's obviously where it fucking is.

How the fuck did they get the fuel for that when they've collapsed to a splinter group in Washington State? Or if they walked it's a 2 week+ journey.

Like, bare in mind SUV's in 2012 (likely the last full year vehicles were made in LTOU) the average was 50mpg, assuming you drove them to their own stupid testing conditions (no air con, no radio, feathering the gas). Reality when owned is 30mpg or less. Meaning probably a 300 mile range without refueling. So they'd have to have had a storage outpost in that direction and not places where there's more valuable loot available.




Somewhere as big and secure as Jackson is going to make anyone shit themselves upon seeing it. In LTOU there's about 40 houses in Jackson within the walls, and that's before more people come in. You could easily sit four to a house in those places (and easily double that with the size of American Homes) meaning bare minimum Jackson had nearly 200 people.

Throw in more survivors over 4 years and you could easily bump that up to 4-500. Never mind that in such a world where there's little to do, people will get screwing.

Electricity got knocked out in 77 in NYC for just 25 hours and the result was a blip in birth rates. If you want to see fanatical fighting? Try pissing off a community with clear childcare facilities or children running around in the streets.



Doubt they could fake a character swap like that.
There's also the frankly astronomical chance that they could definitely get the wrong Joel.
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At the very least, over 251k US citizens have the name Joel. It's a complete crapshoot, because it's definitely possible these records missed a few, and that's before legal name changes, the chance that "Joel" could be a nickname, or if it's a leaf, britbong or aussie that moved into the States before it all went to shit.

I guess Abby is just better at seek and destroy than the fucking Terminator. :story:
 
Aside from the other ones folks have played, in the original Crackdown, IIRC, you apparently play through the game as a sort of superhero cop taking down street gangs at the instruction of a dispatcher you never see and only hear via radio, but in the epilogue of the game, the dispatcher reveals you were basically just helping another violent gang take over the city the whole time. Perhaps a commentary on policing as a whole? You don't really "mutilate" or "torture" NPCs to the extent as in this game, though.
The ending in the original Crackdown wasn't quite that: The Agency basically sabotaged its police force and gave weapons to the gangs in question letting them run amok because the people wouldn't accept a police state without a whole lot of chaos brought to an end. Basically The Agency takes over the city.

Still a better plot than TLoU2.
 
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