The (likely redundant) Chris and Work thread

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Marvin said:
Chris could make some money by doing that, but with a profit motive, over a period of time, Chris is a lot less funny and would have a lot less viewers. He'd burn out after a few months.

I mean, he might make some good money, but he could probably make more by selling drawings.
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Why not both? bob ross style.
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*sigh* forget it
 
I don't think the right question to ask is will Fatty work. Because we all know it will take a miracle to make him get and keep a job.

Rather we should ask can Fatty get a job, does he have any real physical impairments or un-treatable mental impairments that make it impossible for him to get and keep a job.

Now Fatty is stupid, he's lazy, he's self-entitled, he's ego-centric, his hygiene is downright disgusting and he's just generally an ass to everyone around him pretty much 90% of the time. He can't stand any Authority figure and has the conflict resolution skills of a 9th grader

However, none of these attributes are a result of his condition, well except maybe the social retardation, all of them result from a shitty up-bringing and a terrible attitude towards life. If he could overcome his ego issues, which are 75% of his problems, and admit that he is not the be-all end-all of human existence he could quite easily hold down a minimum wage job and watch his income double.

Plus I think all of Fatty core issues stem from his lack of any real purpose or goal in life. He said it himself many times that he was happiest back in school when he had no choice but to do certain things at certain times and a job with a strict but understanding boss would give Fatty back some well needed direction in his " life".

Of course all this is just supposition as I know that he'd rather be homeless and begging Rocky for Legos then admit he's not perfect and awesome and totally a super hot tom-girl just wait for his lesbian princess to save him from his troubles.

In short he's royally fucked unless a miracle somehow happens.
 
There's little reason he couldn't get a job. Shit, I think Goodwill helps disabled folks get jobs and training, and Chris is at least familiar with GW's existence.

There are a thousand reasons he won't get a job, and most of them boil down to him being a lazy, spoiled asshole.
 
Now that you mention that, I'm actually a bit surprised that Blob hasn't pushed him to get a job there under the belief that he could either get her a discount or bring (shoplift) her more barbage for the hoard.
 
I don't accept that Chris is incapable of employment. There is nothing in his mind or body that prevents him from managing "broom goes this way" or "put boxes from cart onto shelf".

Chris's problem is twofold: he's too entitled to work, and is at least a bit of an asshole to everyone around him. Being an entitled asshole isn't a disability. I don't predict an amazing career in Chris's future, but it may come to the point where Chris's next meal depends on cashing some type of check every two weeks. Marvin has suggested that Barb could bully Chris into supporting the household in some way. It's possible (though less than likely) that it would mean getting a job he can actually do and holding it down. I know it would take a lot, but the one thing we know for sure is that that the wrath of MawMaw is the one thing that can make Chris do what he doesn't want to do.

This makes me curious about his time at Wendy's. Did Borb ever try to make Chris feel like his job was a responsibility, and that he had to hold it down? Or did they just consider it a lark and a way to get him out of the house for an hour? We don't know either way, but if I was a bettin' man...
 
Does Chris type properly or does he hunt and peck? If he's fast enough there's no real reason he couldn't hold down a data-entry job in a FUCKING OFFICE! The job of his dreams. He can read and he can use a computer. Boom.
 
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The only way I ever see Chris getting any sort of traditional employment would be having a social worker, that he trusts, basically holding his hand through most of the process and his mother giving him the "emotional support" to do it.
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I can imagine tomgirl Christian wearing a Burger King uniform, standing around with a vacuous look on his face and scratching his ass, while a frazzled Rocky hurriedly assembles hamburgers for him.

Meanwhile, Barb in the background is yelling within earshot of paying customers, "Chrisshun! Whar's your paycheck? I got's ta run ta the phar-ma-cee, an' buy that there butt cream, mah co-litis is actin' up something fierce agin!"
 
The real question is: if Chris got a job would he honestly last that long? You'd think an employer would cut Chris some slack given the fact that he's Autistic but even the most patient people have their limits when it comes to running a business. Chris is not in any way, shape or form a people person so it's reasonable to think he'd constantly mouth off to costumers. Chris also doesn't care much for the whole physical labor thing so I think that's a bit out of the question too. Also as it's been said: an employer would have to stand there literally all day and watch Chris just to make sure he doesn't wonder off, fall asleep or steal shit. But the one thing that would definitely get Chris fired would be his constant disrespect of his manager. Despite the fact that Chris loves to boss others around, when he is asked (not told, asked) to do something he becomes horribly offended
IF Chris got a job he would likely quit or just stop showing up after a few days and tell Barb he got fired because the Manajerk has some irrational hatred of Autistic people. You just know Barb would believe it.
 
Sweet and Savoury said:
Plus I think all of Fatty core issues stem from his lack of any real purpose or goal in life. He said it himself many times that he was happiest back in school when he had no choice but to do certain things at certain times and a job with a strict but understanding boss would give Fatty back some well needed direction in his " life".
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Exactly this. I've always thought that this was one of the reasons he was so obsessed with Ivy, since she gave him a schedule and deadlines; he even went on and on about his "biological clock" being fixed (at least temporarily) because of Ivy. This shows that Chris knows that being on a schedule and having something he has to do--in other words, having a job of some kind--would be good for him on at least some level. But, as we all know, that's hard work that Chrisshun Wesson Chand-ler shouldn't have to do.

ChurchOfGodBear said:
I don't accept that Chris is incapable of employment. There is nothing in his mind or body that prevents him from managing "broom goes this way" or "put boxes from cart onto shelf".

Chris's problem is twofold: he's too entitled to work, and is at least a bit of an asshole to everyone around him. Being an entitled asshole isn't a disability. I don't predict an amazing career in Chris's future, but it may come to the point where Chris's next meal depends on cashing some type of check every two weeks. Marvin has suggested that Barb could bully Chris into supporting the household in some way. It's possible (though less than likely) that it would mean getting a job he can actually do and holding it down. I know it would take a lot, but the one thing we know for sure is that that the wrath of MawMaw is the one thing that can make Chris do what he doesn't want to do.

This makes me curious about his time at Wendy's. Did Borb ever try to make Chris feel like his job was a responsibility, and that he had to hold it down? Or did they just consider it a lark and a way to get him out of the house for an hour? We don't know either way, but if I was a bettin' man...
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It all comes back to Chris believing that he's somehow special. Barb or the threat of starvation are the only two forces in the universe that will ever force him to seek some sort of employment. As for Wendy's I think we all know the answer to that.
 
Picklechu said:
As for Wendy's I think we all know the answer to that.
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Sure. But elsewhere, it was suggested that Bob always knew Chris was hopeless in the workforce, and that's why he got Chris on SSDI. However, that flies in the face of the fact that Bob did make Chris go to college (and tolerated him taking an absurd amount of time to get a 2-year degree) and made him get a job. That's a lot of effort for something Bob knew would ultimately amount to nothing.
 
I've said it before, I would hire Chris in 2 seconds, but it would be for my own personal entertainment in watching him fuck up the absolutely meaningless tasks I would assign to him each day.

Can Chris work? Depends on the job. We see from history (most recently the eBay debacle) that Chris has trouble following simple instructions and understanding exactly where he made a mistake (even when it is spelled out in detail to him). That's a huge problem. He also has a life-long predilection towards taking shortcuts if he thinks it will make life easier for him (also a pretty big problem). He is also very gullible, so his exposure to co-workers who might rope him into taking the fall for just about anything would very possibly end badly. He's prone to angry outbursts, petty and vindictive behavior, lying to cover his tracks, and his personal hygiene isn't stellar. These are not traits that would keep him gainfully employed in most jobs.

But there are a few jobs that require little more than a pulse and the ability to push a button. I know someone whose job is to sit at certain points in a road with a little handheld clicker and count the number of cars that go by in a certain amount of hours. It's cheaper to do that sometimes than dig up the street and install one of those pressure sensors that do it automatically. Sure Chris would probably fuck that up somehow, but those jobs are out there, and they'd be his best bet.
 
Agreed to everyone who said that Chris is capable of working, but not willing.

Where I differ slightly is that I think there is a little more logic to the decision.

Why do you work/want to work?

I am guessing it is some combination of the following four factors.

1. You need/want money.
2. Even if the money now isn't great, it will lead to more opportunities for more money in the future.
3. You like the social status that working gives you, or want to avoid the social stigma of unemployment.
4. You genuinely like/take pride in the work you do, or like your coworkers/workplace environment.

Let's see if they apply to Chris.

1. Up until very recently, he had a lot of what he wanted. He had a decent flow of toys and vidya, and had good access to the food/clothes/shelter he needed. I am sure he would have rather had more money, but not that badly. He would rather have the extra 30-40 hours of week of free time.
2. While Chris is capable of working, he probably isn't capable of climbing very far up the ladder.
3. Chris has far worse social stigmas to worry about, and has noone to show off the social status to.
4. While Chris is capable of working, he probably isn't capable of landing a job doing something he likes. His coworkers would probably dislike ostracize him.

So why would we expect him to get a job?

There seems to be a lot more financial pressure on Chris these days, from some combination of Barb/Bob's absence/the fire. This is forcing him towards attempts in time to earn money. So far, they have all been pretty big failures, but who knows what the future holds.
 
ChurchOfGodBear said:
Sure. But elsewhere, it was suggested that Bob always knew Chris was hopeless in the workforce, and that's why he got Chris on SSDI. However, that flies in the face of the fact that Bob did make Chris go to college (and tolerated him taking an absurd amount of time to get a 2-year degree) and made him get a job. That's a lot of effort for something Bob knew would ultimately amount to nothing.
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I genuinely think Bob getting him on SSDI was just him leaping on the chance to get free money coming into the household. I'm sure Bob would have loved to have a normal, productive Son as well as a monthly cash boost courtesy of Uncle Sam, but one of them required a ton of effort and good parenting over a grand number of years, the other just required him to wait until Chris turned 18 and fill in some forms.

What I would love to know is what exactly Bob put on those forms, surely it's not just "high functioning Autistic" I wouldn't be surprised if the social security office have Chris on record as being a blind, drooling vegetable with no arms
 
Let's say you're an employer.
Let's give Chris a small advantage that you a little on the older side and don't bother to google search names. You run the background check for felonies and to make sure Chris isn't lying about his education at PVCC. Everything looks good, even if Chris was convicted for the pLACE incident, all he has to do is be honest about it on paper. So all is well.
What makes Chris unemployable is his long history of unemployment. Let's give Chris the benefit of the doubt and say he doesn't list the CWCipedia or Cutco as a job because he shouldn't.
What do you see? One job, thirteen years ago, two months. Now, look at your other applicants. Chris is at best looking at stocking shelves, moving boxes, or doing inventory. You're going to have dozens of people looking for menial labor that probably have experience with menial labor, some will be autistic like Chris, this doesn't matter.
I've read that some HR people say, "if you've been unemployed for a year, we see you as unemployable." I personally don't agree with this, but thirteen years is a long time.
Bottom line, until Chris gets help (job coaching or a program to help disabled find work) he's not getting a job. And he's too proud to get that help.
So he's left with :tugboat:
 
Pikonic said:
Let's say you're an employer.
Let's give Chris a small advantage that you a little on the older side and don't bother to google search names. You run the background check for felonies and to make sure Chris isn't lying about his education at PVCC. Everything looks good, even if Chris was convicted for the pLACE incident, all he has to do is be honest about it on paper. So all is well.
What makes Chris unemployable is his long history of unemployment. Let's give Chris the benefit of the doubt and say he doesn't list the CWCipedia or Cutco as a job because he shouldn't.
What do you see? One job, thirteen years ago, two months. Now, look at your other applicants. Chris is at best looking at stocking shelves, moving boxes, or doing inventory. You're going to have dozens of people looking for menial labor that probably have experience with menial labor, some will be autistic like Chris, this doesn't matter.
I've read that some HR people say, "if you've been unemployed for a year, we see you as unemployable." I personally don't agree with this, but thirteen years is a long time.
Bottom line, until Chris gets help (job coaching or a program to help disabled find work) he's not getting a job. And he's too proud to get that help.
So he's left with :tugboat:
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Kinda OT but the employment system in the United States is very broken. Right now, it's an employers market, but it won't always be so. I remember a time in the late 90's/early 2000's that if you could network 2 computers together, you had people offering you jobs left and right regardless of if you had any kind of degree or if you'd ever had a job in your life before. Now, that situation ended spectacularly when the dotcom bubble crashed, but the shit that's been going on in this country in the last 5 years isn't going to go on forever. HR people being picky about gaps in your employment will end because at this point, a huge number of people have those gaps, and they're going to have to ease up on that. I also remember a time where if you changed jobs more often than once a decade you were considered unemployable.
 
Full disclosure. I have family member who works with the mentally handicap who are much like Chris. She gets them jobs and holds their hands through the process and checks in with them frequently and communicates with their boss or supervisor directly. They rarely work jobs where they deal with customers or a lot of coworkers. It's usually low paying part time jobs like sorting items at a recycling facility, minor janitorial work, or a job at Goodwill. Chris would most likely need this sort of situation.
 
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