The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[Miller]

I've been having issues with my freesync monitor for 2 weeks now, with a black bar at the top of the screen that flickers randomly. Some say that it's related to AMD cards, I couldn't find a real solution.
I decided to lower the refresh rate from 200 to 120hz and now the issue is gone. I guess that will do until they decide to fix it.

 

[std::string]

How many installers actually still make separate partitions for /usr? Debian's doesn't. It doesn't even make a separate /home partition anymore.

Every distro should be able to do it if you use manual partitioning. Distro developers assume if you want stuff on different partitions then you know how to do it yourself.

Historically the reason for a separate /usr was because storage was expensive and ethernet cables were fast. /usr was a pretty big directory so it was better to just host it as a read-only partition on a single server and have clients pull things over the network.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

A nice description of why mozilla is currently shit in the beginning.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

How many installers actually still make separate partitions for /usr? Debian's doesn't. It doesn't even make a separate /home partition anymore.
I am asking because I don't know. My modern linux experience is very limited since I don't distro surf.

Having a /sbin and /bin was so you had the tools you needed fix a fucked up system before risking mounting /usr and /home. Having a separate /sbin and /usr/sbin is pointless if everything is on the same partition now

Im sure some of it is tradition.

But also. Maybe if you are using btrfs with snapper. Backing up /usr/ with snapshots you can boot from grub, would make keeping it seperate make sense.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

Actually after thinking about the thing he mentioned with microsoft funding opensource heavily and helping push this kind of thinking in this space.

I have a schizo theory, and I think it could actually make sense.

What I'm thinking is, microsoft is still the same embrace, extend, extiguish microsoft as before. But the tactics have changed.

They're embracing open source. Then coming in, helping push radical ideas to members of it. Because that divides the actual people in the foss space against eachother, rather than against them. At least to a lesser degree.

If they wont work with eachother, and their is in fighting, it will eventually kill off linux distros, linux DE's, and maybe even linux itself. At least as we know it.

I don't think this would be an unheard of tactic for microsoft, and they are evil enough, and have the resources, and patience, to do it.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

Actually after thinking about the thing he mentioned with microsoft funding opensource heavily and helping push this kind of thinking in this space.

I have a schizo theory, and I think it could actually make sense.

What I'm thinking is, microsoft is still the same embrace, extend, extiguish microsoft as before. But the tactics have changed.

They're embracing open source. Then coming in, helping push radical ideas to members of it. Because that divides the actual people in the foss space against eachother, rather than against them. At least to a lesser degree.

If they wont work with eachother, and their is in fighting, it will eventually kill off linux distros, linux DE's, and maybe even linux itself. At least as we know it.

I don't think this would be an unheard of tactic for microsoft, and they are evil enough, and have the resources, and patience, to do it.

I think you're reiterating what others have speculated would and very likely could happen if Linus Torvalds passed away, more specifically the angle of what Microsoft or others in big tech would be capable of doing to ruin Linux..

 

[Susanna]

I think you're reiterating what others have speculated would and very likely could happen if Linus Torvalds passed away, more specifically the angle of what Microsoft or others in big tech would be capable of doing to ruin Linux..

I’m more optimistic. Linux is great because it’s collaboratively developed. Your contributions are kind of like a resume, other people will look at them and you’ll look a right twat in front of your peers if you contribute garbage. This open collaboration also means it supports a ton of hardware and has a massive library of software available to work with. It being open source code also means it can be used for training in universities, so fresh programmers will be familiar with it (generally more familiar than they are with proprietary things like Windows, I’ve attended programming courses in the last few years and the instructors straight up wouldn’t help you if you were compiling for Windows). If Microsoft splinter off and try Xenix 2.0, they 1) probably wouldn’t see massive adoption, people like adding patches and if your developers can crib work others have done, they will, 2) would convert large chunks of professional Windows installs to something Linux-like. Both end up working out in favour of free and open software.

 

[WhiteNight]

Historically the reason for a separate /usr was because storage was expensive and ethernet cables were fast. /usr was a pretty big directory so it was better to just host it as a read-only partition on a single server and have clients pull things over the network.

Im sure some of it is tradition.

See this mailing list post which details the origins of /usr:
http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2010-December/074114.html (not https!)

Key paragraphs:

When the operating system grew too big to fit on the first RK05 disk pack (their
root filesystem) they let it leak into the second one, which is where all the
user home directories lived (which is why the mount was called /usr). They
replicated all the OS directories under there (/bin, /sbin, /lib, /tmp...) and
wrote files to those new directories because their original disk was out of
space. When they got a third disk, they mounted it on /home and relocated all
the user directories to there so the OS could consume all the space on both
disks and grow to THREE WHOLE MEGABYTES (ooooh!).

Of course they made rules about "when the system first boots, it has to come up
enough to be able to mount the second disk on /usr, so don't put things like
the mount command /usr/bin or we'll have a chicken and egg problem bringing
the system up." Fairly straightforward. Also fairly specific to v6 unix of 35
years ago.

So yes it's legacy.

 

[Caesar]

many other kiwis using endeavourOS? It's a nice pre-configured Arch that's not brokenlike Manjaro.

 

[Quiproquo]

many other kiwis using endeavourOS? It's a nice pre-configured Arch that's not brokenlike Manjaro.

I don't know, I fail to see the point of it when archinstall exists. I think it's just as easy and faster than a GUI installer like calamares.

 

[Caesar]

I don't know, I fail to see the point of it when archinstall exists. I think it's just as easy and faster than a GUI installer like calamares.

It's not just a GUI installer, it has it's own repos with it's own little tools that don't interfere with base arch,and the disk image also comes with more DE options.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

I’m more optimistic. Linux is great because it’s collaboratively developed. Your contributions are kind of like a resume, other people will look at them and you’ll look a right twat in front of your peers if you contribute garbage. This open collaboration also means it supports a ton of hardware and has a massive library of software available to work with. It being open source code also means it can be used for training in universities, so fresh programmers will be familiar with it (generally more familiar than they are with proprietary things like Windows, I’ve attended programming courses in the last few years and the instructors straight up wouldn’t help you if you were compiling for Windows). If Microsoft splinter off and try Xenix 2.0, they 1) probably wouldn’t see massive adoption, people like adding patches and if your developers can crib work others have done, they will, 2) would convert large chunks of professional Windows installs to something Linux-like. Both end up working out in favour of free and open software.

I won't say it's pesimistic to assume this is what's being done. Or their strategy.

I wouldn't say linux will fail because of it, or at least not for sure. But i do in fighting over thing irrelivant to the actual goals of free software, and open source. Is something that needs to actively be fought against.

It seems like there are people coming into foss and co-opt it to make it antinazi, antifacist, anti whatever else. That just dilutes it, makes people worried about stuff that has nothing to do with it. Stops people from working together etc.

Looking back into the history of free software. There definitely were disagreements. And people that hated eachother in it. But that seemed to be more over arguments about software and stuff like that.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

many other kiwis using endeavourOS? It's a nice pre-configured Arch that's not brokenlike Manjaro.

I think the best non arch arch distro, is arco. Its like endeavor kind of but closer to arch, and an insane ammount of choices in the installer.

You can get basically every window manager pre-configured, and it has various different iso's for whatever level of control you want.

Personally i like building up a plain arch install, and using a window manager with no configuration done, because I get to do things exactly how I want them, and learn how the window manager I'm using works as I set it up.

 

[std::string]

It seems like there are people coming into foss and co-opt it to make it antinazi, antifacist, anti whatever else. That just dilutes it, makes people worried about stuff that has nothing to do with it. Stops people from working together etc.

Your schizophrenia sensor isn't calibrated correctly. You almost hit the target, but you're too terminally online.

I'll give you a hint. What is the difference between open source and free software? Who is pushing Rust incredibly hard? What license does most Rust software use?

 

[analrapist]

There's also new retardation that refers to /usr/etc.

There might be some "new retardation" you're referencing that I'm not familiar with, but /usr/etc is a default sysconfdir when a /usr PREFIX is specified. You need to ./configure with --prefix=/usr and --sysconfdir=/etc in some cases when you want to avoid /usr/etc. This is a portability concern and is probably older than many posters in this thread.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

Got around to trying hyprland. Its actually decent. At least better than other wayland compositors I've tried.

A plus is the guy that made it is banned from other wayland related stuff for literally just letting people make fun of troons in his discord server, and because he "fostered a toxic community". So literally all the progressive wierdos hate him, and hyperland because of it.

Though, minus points to him for anime (e.g. hyperchan).

 

[Betonhaus]

A plus is the guy that made it is banned from other wayland related stuff for literally just letting people make fun of troons in his discord server, and because he "fostered a toxic community". So literally all the progressive wierdos hate him, and hyperland because of it.

that sounds like a sold way to attract the autists that are actually competent to his project

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

Your schizophrenia sensor isn't calibrated correctly. You almost hit the target, but you're too terminally online.

I'll give you a hint. What is the difference between open source and free software? Who is pushing Rust incredibly hard? What license does most Rust software use?

Hmm. Josh pushes rust...

Edit: in all seriousness. I don't use enough rust software to know which license they usually use. I think the ones i use that are rust, are paru, and i think there is a matrix client i compiled that was written in rust. Other than that I cant think of anything.

I know the troons like rust a lot.

 

[Spaced Outside Cargo]

Been about a month since I switched off Windows to Mint and I'm having a lot of fun despite the issues.
At least now any issue i have has been solved already by someone else.
When I'd have a problem on Windows the top 100 [Solved] posts were just an automated post on MS forums going "This issue is a duplicate [Link to 404 page] and has already been solved. Closing ticket. You're welcome asshole." and also I'm getting advertised to the whole time.

 

[Betonhaus]

Been about a month since I switched off Windows to Mint and I'm having a lot of fun despite the issues.
At least now any issue i have has been solved already by someone else.
When I'd have a problem on Windows the top 100 [Solved] posts were just an automated post on MS forums going "This issue is a duplicate [Link to 404 page] and has already been solved. Closing ticket. You're welcome asshole." and also I'm getting advertised to the whole time.

oh yeah the Windows support site suuuuuuucks. The mint chat hotline is pretty good tho