The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[Slav Power]

In short: Wayland is shit and causes more harm than good to the Linux ecosystem, and the only hope is XLibre bridging the gap between X11 and Wayland with missing features like HDR and window isolation, without making it shit, and catching on in the general Linux ecosystem.
Total GNOME death
Total KDE death
And no at this point KDE is becoming GNOME 2.0 in their goals to be the "bleeding edge DE" and their sudden switch to Wayland proves it so fuck them too. Wouldn't be surprised if this was also motivated by the fact there are now KDE Fedora spins and they want to be part of that faggot clique.

 

[analrapist]

he scoured the entire internet and managed to compile working binarys of gcc and binutils that had everything I needed. It was not as easy as simply compiling he had to scour and do alot of stuff because they were using custom patches to enable Libc. Show this guy some love seriously hes amazing and I wish I was half as useful as him.

You're overselling it. I did some software archaeology to get a period-accurate copy of crosstool-ng running on Debian Lenny, which is harder than it ought to be, because as usual, the faggots running technology insist that old but stable technologies like FTP and HTTP are now obsolete, which breaks old software that doesn't have updated certificates, et cetera.

I did this because I thought it might be possible with my skillset and that complimented your problem case. Glad it was useful. It was kind of a fun training exercise in how much bitrot happens in 18 years. (A LOT!) It was a fun diversion at a time where diversion is my chief coping mechanism. So cheers.

 

[Bahnhader]

Has anyone tried Venderfoul Wolf? It's based on Devuan with OpenRC and Xlibre installed.

It’s decent but I personally don’t like Devuan because things just always break and fuck up in my experience, packages for the normal distribution (Debian) often don’t work properly and you NEED said package as a dependency for some programs. This isn’t just me complaining that some things fuck up without systemd, it’s just that these systemd-free distros that are based on systemd distros just do not work well at all. Distorts that are actually designed to be systemd-free always work better because everything is compatible with each other, even if there aren’t as many packages.

 

[Slav Power]

There was literally nothing wrong with AppImage besides them not being kosher to the standards of stuck-up Linux elitists and their obsession with the Unix philosophy (despite the vast majority of modern Linux being an antithesis to it), and if they caught on properly they would've solved all the ailments of per-distro package availability as well as push Linux desktop forward by giving a one-and-done way to compile and publish software for developers since every other OS doesn't require doing a completely different method of compiling and packaging for publishing per each variant.

But no, suffer with the apt/pacman/yay/Flatpak clusterfuck because fuck you.

 

[Hakase Shinonome]

the faggots running technology insist that old but stable technologies like FTP and HTTP are now obsolete

Hahahahahahahhha fucking faggots, I swear to God. I wonder how they think anything works that they see on the internet. I’d love to see them share files over the IP and what they resort to is “temporary file storage google” just to share a link to go to their phone, or maybe something even more retarded.

Fuckin’ love my FTP, man.

But no, suffer with the apt/pacman/yay/Flatpak clusterfuck because fuck you.

I mean, I don’t mind apt/pacman/yay/Flatpak, I’m sure it sucks major ass as a developer, but I can live with different package managers as an end user. AppImages I’d love when they also actually work 100% of the time, I’ve had issues with it in the past. I do support what they’re trying.

 

[Premium Dog Food]

I want to like KDE because it offers a couple more features that XFCE4 doesn´t have that I find handy (rather, I would have to script them myself) but man is it unstable. This motherfucker for some reason freezes at random regardless of task (maybe twice a week) until I switch to tty and back. Nothing on logs either. Plasmashell likes to crash randomly too at times, but at least it restarts itself instantly.
Most annoying of all, file selection dialog boxes require only one click to open a file/folder instead of two like on the rest of the system.

 

[Slav Power]

I’m sure it sucks major ass as a developer

That's the bigger concern. If your OS doesn't let you easily package and distribute your software, it won't take off because it won't have any software to run. The trash state of Linux package distribution is likely the biggest reason companies are reluctant to port their software to Linux.

I just have to bring up this speech again because everything Linus said is 100% true. Including the part that Valve will save the Linux desktop since they seem to be the only company in the space that gives a shit about writing good and functional code with a proper incentive to do so.

 

[Betonhaus]

There was literally nothing wrong with AppImage besides them not being kosher to the standards of stuck-up Linux elitists and their obsession with the Unix philosophy (despite the vast majority of modern Linux being an antithesis to it), and if they caught on properly they would've solved all the ailments of per-distro package availability as well as push Linux desktop forward by giving a one-and-done way to compile and publish software for developers since every other OS doesn't require doing a completely different method of compiling and packaging for publishing per each variant.

But no, suffer with the apt/pacman/yay/Flatpak clusterfuck because fuck you.

I'd love AppImages more if for three things:
1. there needs to be a standardized way to report missing dependencies and offer to install them automatically if they're found in the distro's repositories
2. there has to be a dedicated applications folder (or define folders to be watched) where adding an appimage to there adds it to the start menu and adds it to $PATH
3. a standardized way to find and install updates, like if it's in a watched folder then your OS's standard update tools can use the appimage metadata to check the update url and download the new version if there's one available.

 

[Hakase Shinonome]

Thanks for recommending me this, YouTube, after I clicked pause.
By the way, the fuck's going on with Linus' teeth, the bad Linus I mean-- I mean, the younger Linus.

The video's really wholesome, by the way, it's a fun watch. They're mostly just arguing with one-another.

 

[Slav Power]

the fuck's going on with Linus' teeth

Braces. The ones that prompted him to post in his thread here.

 

[August Levasseur]

x11 kinda does this, mostly for properties. The examples you mentioned (decorations and clipboard) is done with x11 window properties and isn't part of the x11 protocol. This is why even gamescope, a wayland compositor uses x11 window properties instead of creating wayland protocol for it: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/gamescope/blob/master/src/steamcompmgr.cpp#L7576
This fundamental difference between x11 and wayland is called "mechanism over policy" or "mechanism not policy" (for x11) and "policy over mechanism" (for wayland). Mechanism over policy means that you create simple structures that can be used for a wide range of things, even outside the initial thought of the x11 developer while policy over mechanism means that you discuss the use-case and exact ways it could be used with a board (not the community as a whole) and decide on a design that only allows it to be used for those things. This policy difference is the only thing that really matters as a difference between x11 and wayland and is why it took 2 months for x11 and xorg server to get vr support while for wayland it took 2 years for it to get added to the protocol and then more years for it to get added to wayland compositors.

Wayland is fine in many respects, and a huge improvement over X11 architecturally, but some of its fine details are bafflingly retarded, both technically and organizationally.

 

[Max Weber]

Wayland is fine in many respects, and a huge improvement over X11 architecturally, but some of its fine details are bafflingly retarded, both technically and organizationally.

One step forward, two steps back, as per usual.

 

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Has anyone tried Venderfoul Wolf? It's based on Devuan with OpenRC and Xlibre installed.

I haven't heard of it, let alone tried it, but it is not at all surprising that Wayland-loving Redditors are behaving like Harry Potter characters regarding Xlibre who must not be named.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

I love laughing at the ways these people act about xlibre. But it seeing hundreds of posts of people acting basically the same way about wayland kind of kills it for me.

I'll see that kind of shit, think about how rediculous these people are then look up, and be reminded oh yeah I guess they are just doing more of the same thing I see here every day, but on the other side of this gay retarded battle.

 

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I love laughing at the ways these people act about xlibre. But it seeing hundreds of posts of people acting basically the same way about wayland kind of kills it for me.

I'll see that kind of shit, think about how rediculous these people are then look up, and be reminded oh yeah I guess they are just doing more of the same thing I see here every day, but on the other side of this gay retarded battle.

Yeah bro, because defenders of Unix orthodoxy and common sense are such fraidy-cats about naming the enemies, like Wayland developers and Lennart Poettring.

Back in reality, the only reason we'd avoid directly naming the enemy is to avoid making open death threats that we could be prosecuted over.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

The video itself is about an exploit that was found with one of googles products.

But the reason I'm sharing this is because of the very beginning of the video. Apparently he teamed up with the arch foundation to release an arch linuc sweater. The profits will go to the arch foundation. Which is actually cool to me that someone like him is actually embracing arch to the point where he did this.

I always like to see when people get the appeal of something like arch. It's a different mindset that makes arch appealing, than something like his old distro popos. And I think arch is about as perfect of a balance as you can get. I think overall it's a good thing for people to learn how things work on their computer. At least if they're a sysadmin or a developer. It's kind of sad to me to see how little a lot of developers know about linux, even though they work on linux servers every day in one sense or another. (At least web dev people).

 

[acid_ra1n]

One step forward, two steps back, as per usual.

tbh after talking to a dev that hates wayland and has some critiques of x im convinced theres no truly correct answer and competition is the only path forward
anyone who actually knows what theyre doing will want something completely different from whats being offered by anyone else, and that's why linux benefits from not having a 1 size fits all solution like windows users wish it would, and its why i mourn the death of xorg and champion the development of xlibre. at some point i may not use xorg on any of my machines (unlikely) but i still want it to be there for those that do need it

 

[Betonhaus]

I haven't heard of it, let alone tried it, but it is not at all surprising that Wayland-loving Redditors are behaving like Harry Potter characters regarding Xlibre who must not be named.
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Reddit has bots that automatically downvote the Xlibre keyword.

Also reading the comments that poster fully knew there was none and was using this as a backhanded way to insult Wayland without getting banned.

 

[Stumbling9]

You might like what this nigger has to say then.

His main channel

He mostly shit's on Linux users while being an ass about it.

You can argue he's rage baiting, but he did admitted in one of his Peppermint OS videos that he has autism.

Haven't watched this yet but it should be entertaining.

>First 25 seconds
>Dude is both unfunny and uses DAvinci REsolve, even if his editing "skills" could have been done via Kdenlive or even Olive 0.1.
Why are people like this?

 

[August Levasseur]

I haven't heard of it, let alone tried it, but it is not at all surprising that Wayland-loving Redditors are behaving like Harry Potter characters regarding Xlibre who must not be named.
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Hasn’t Alpine switched to Wayback or has that not happened yet?