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>linus justthetip says hes gonna do another linux challenge
>says hes gonna use poopOS again
is this guy like paid by framework to sabotage system76 or something why would he do this knowing cosmic is in beta and will invalidate his findings?
 
I want to replace Windows with Linux on my laptop. It is a piece of crap in terms of hardware, so what's the most lightweight version of Linux I can install?
MX Linux.

Mutahar has more to say about California's OS age verification law, and how it affects Linux:

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Instead of trying to child-proof the Internet, lawmakers should just take the Australia route and ban kids from the net entirely. We all shouldn't lose our freedoms just because dipshit suburban moms won't supervise their children.

Also, lol to this law. There is absolutely no way to enforce it. "Linux Account Age Verification", what an joke.
 
The only reason Newscum wants id verification on the Internet is to be able to collect the info of the people who call him gay on Twitter.
That's it, that's all this boils down these totalitarian wannabe politicians can't stand that they're not allowed in the internets cool kids club so they're trying to burn down the treehouse for everyone
 
The only reason Newscum wants id verification on the Internet is to be able to collect the info of the people who call him gay on Twitter.
That's it, that's all this boils down these totalitarian wannabe politicians can't stand that they're not allowed in the internets cool kids club so they're trying to burn down the treehouse for everyone
there will always be a cool kids internet club but it will increasingly require you become cooler to access it
 
>linus justthetip says hes gonna do another linux challenge
A clip from Linus' show yesterday.


The mountains of stupid gaming-related annoyances on Linux always bring me back to the same question: Why not just keep all your games in a Windows VM? It just seems more convenient to me; you'd never have to check protondb or tweak anything again, you'd have perfect support for everything no matter what.
Plus, you'll always need windows if you want to mod certain old games, or play a kernel-level-anticheat game.

Am I missing something? Why do I hear about steam/proton/wine constantly but never about people with Windows VMs?
 
A clip from Linus' show yesterday.
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The mountains of stupid gaming-related annoyances on Linux always bring me back to the same question: Why not just keep all your games in a Windows VM? It just seems more convenient to me; you'd never have to check protondb or tweak anything again, you'd have perfect support for everything no matter what.
Plus, you'll always need windows if you want to mod certain old games, or play a kernel-level-anticheat game.

Am I missing something? Why do I hear about steam/proton/wine constantly but never about people with Windows VMs?
GPU passthrough into a VM fully occupies that GPU while the VM is running, so the host Linux install would need to rely on integrated graphics (good luck if you own most AMD CPUs older than the Ryzen 7000 series) or its own display adapter/GPU.

Also, kernel-level anticheat usually also has virtual machine detection.
 
A clip from Linus' show yesterday.
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The mountains of stupid gaming-related annoyances on Linux always bring me back to the same question: Why not just keep all your games in a Windows VM? It just seems more convenient to me; you'd never have to check protondb or tweak anything again, you'd have perfect support for everything no matter what.
Plus, you'll always need windows if you want to mod certain old games, or play a kernel-level-anticheat game.

Am I missing something? Why do I hear about steam/proton/wine constantly but never about people with Windows VMs?
The biggest thing is GPU access. People are working on it, but there's no 3D virtio driver for Windows so it can't access the DirectX and such pipelines on the GPU unless you dedicate the GPU to it. Since most people don't have two GPUs and there's no graceful way to handle switching from desktop Linux displaying to Windows displaying that's generally a non-starter

People are currently working on a 3d driver but it's not complete yet, but when it's done it'll be available for use with WinBoat and that will be nice.
 
is this guy like paid by framework to sabotage system76 or something why would he do this knowing cosmic is in beta and will invalidate his findings?
His only knowledge is from troonthany, so 5 years out of date and from a beginner.

The mountains of stupid gaming-related annoyances on Linux always bring me back to the same question
95% of games run just fine on Linux, only ones that dont are going to be the ones with anticheat.

Why not just keep all your games in a Windows VM?
Performance. There is zero stable hardware acceleration in a VM outside bare minimum opengl. The best you could do is run your integrated graphics as the main gpu and give your vm the gpu through gpu passthrough.

Plus, you'll always need windows if you want to mod certain old games, or play a kernel-level-anticheat game.
Modding games work just fine on Linux. Maybe one oddball installer might not work, but thats about it. Kernel level anticheats detect being run in a vm.
 
there's no graceful way to handle switching from desktop Linux displaying to Windows displaying that's generally a non-starter
There is, you just run the desktop on a separate GPU. My setup is the monitor plugged into the processor’s built-in graphics. In Linux the GPU is available for compute and rendering normally, no noticeable performance impact. I can pass it through to a Windows VM and that VM will work just fine like the GPU was plugged into it normally. The Linux desktop continues to display via built-in graphics. I use LookingGlass to view the VM with minimal performance impact. When I shut down the VM the GPU returns to the Linux machine just fine.
 
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The mountains of stupid gaming-related annoyances on Linux always bring me back to the same question: Why not just keep all your games in a Windows VM? It just seems more convenient to me; you'd never have to check protondb or tweak anything again, you'd have perfect support for everything no matter what.
Plus, you'll always need windows if you want to mod certain old games, or play a kernel-level-anticheat game.

Am I missing something? Why do I hear about steam/proton/wine constantly but never about people with Windows VMs?
Why would I go to the trouble of getting VFIO pass through working when 98% of what I want to play works already. There is so much out there in terms of games that if something doesn't work for me then I'll just play something else... I could understand it in some cases like you've switched to Linux but you still want to play some online shooter with your friends that doesn't behave well on Linux. I just don't see the need myself.
 
A clip from Linus' show yesterday.
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The mountains of stupid gaming-related annoyances on Linux always bring me back to the same question: Why not just keep all your games in a Windows VM? It just seems more convenient to me; you'd never have to check protondb or tweak anything again, you'd have perfect support for everything no matter what.
Plus, you'll always need windows if you want to mod certain old games, or play a kernel-level-anticheat game.

Am I missing something? Why do I hear about steam/proton/wine constantly but never about people with Windows VMs?
theres not many annoyances these days. if you arent trying to play the latest AAA live service slop game you should be fine just running linux for most things
i installed linux to get away from windows, not to have it running as a fucking guest to my host as if that made it any better
 
Why would I go to the trouble of getting VFIO pass through working when 98% of what I want to play works already.
Pretty much this, I did (and still) have a Windows vm purely for anything that I want to do that doesnt work on linux either through wine or proton or whatever. The last real time I needed to use it was maybe early to mid 2025 when one game finally updated their Easy Anti Cheat version, which just happened to support proton.
 
GPU passthrough into a VM fully occupies that GPU while the VM is running, so the host Linux install would need to rely on integrated graphics
I don't see the issue. If you're playing a game you're probably not going to be doing anything else graphics intensive in the background anyways.
Also, kernel-level anticheat usually also has virtual machine detection.
I know. You used to be able to change 4 lines of config in QEMU to get around Valorant's anticheat. 4 year old video so probably patched. If it can be bypassed, having kernel-level spyware games sandboxed in a VM is the best case scenario.

95% of games run just fine on Linux, only ones that dont are going to be the ones with anticheat.
Why would I go to the trouble of getting VFIO pass through working when 98% of what I want to play works already



At best it's just a little option you have to add to steam launch commands (that was the case for the 1st clip, he needed to force l4d2 to use vulkan), but that's still something you have to look up and do manually. What are you supposed to do if it's not an easy copy-paste-from-protondb fix, like the issue in the 2nd clip?

I tried to install Counter Strike source today (a native app). It doesn't open; you press the green play button in steam, it becomes blue for a second, then goes back to green and no window opens. On windows, it just works. Is there an easy fix? Maybe, but the point is I don't want to go looking for it, and I don't want look for a fix for every single game that breaks.

What I'm suggesting is that it would be more convenient and less mental work to make 1 VM and never think about it again.
Windows gamers are retarded niggercattle, I doubt many would even know what vulkan is, most don't know how to change steam game launch options because they never had to.
I remind you that there's a market for game consoles (including among people who already own computers!), because normal people just want to fucking play games without any bullshit extra steps. I guess that's what my idea with the VM is; the xbox some people have by their TV, despite the fact they could just play the games on their computer.
 
I tried to install Counter Strike source today (a native app). It doesn't open; you press the green play button in steam, it becomes blue for a second, then goes back to green and no window opens. On windows, it just works. Is there an easy fix? Maybe, but the point is I don't want to go looking for it, and I don't want look for a fix for every single game that breaks.
Never had this specific issue with CS source but when I do have these sorts of issues I look on protondb (I have had to force games which have bad native linux versions to use proton before) to see what version of proton and what settings people had working for a particular game and try to match that. It is a bit of work but it's very rare for me and my setup so I don't mind it every now and then compared to the benefits for me of just having my linux box.

What I'm suggesting is that it would be more convenient and less mental work to make 1 VM and never think about it again.
Windows gamers are retarded niggercattle, I doubt many would even know what vulkan is, most don't know how to change steam game launch options because they never had to.
I remind you that there's a market for game consoles (including among people who already own computers!), because normal people just want to fucking play games without any bullshit extra steps. I guess that's what my idea with the VM is; the xbox some people have by their TV, despite the fact they could just play the games on their computer.
Cool. If that's what works for you then I'm happy for you. I just don't see the utility for it myself. I also think that the same people who are not able to figure out steam launch options will also struggle creating a VM in kvm and configuring GPU pass through. Even when they have a guide the slightest alterations needed tend to shut them down. I suppose part of my philosophy comes from the view that tinkering with things to get them working is part of the process and something I expect with most things in life.
 
At best it's just a little option you have to add to steam launch commands (that was the case for the 1st clip, he needed to force l4d2 to use vulkan), but that's still something you have to look up and do manually. What are you supposed to do if it's not an easy copy-paste-from-protondb fix, like the issue in the 2nd clip?
It is stupid Valve hasn't forced all of their games with vulkan renderers to run vulkan by default, but the second clip is probably just cosmic being in beta. Hell just a few months ago you couldn't even have fullscreen borderless applications.

I tried to install Counter Strike source today (a native app). It doesn't open; you press the green play button in steam, it becomes blue for a second, then goes back to green and no window opens.
Again, this is on Valve. Its probably old enough that it hasn't been updated to use steam linux runtime and something updated that broke. TF2 was like this for months without a launch option to fix it. It sucks you've found one of the handful of games that don't run and aren't anticheat related, but you did.

What I'm suggesting is that it would be more convenient and less mental work to make 1 VM and never think about it again.
Except you would have to make a Windows VM, and pray your pc has integrated graphics, and learn how to properly passthrough a gpu. A lot more work than having to type in "Game no workey linux" into google once and looking through troubleshooting steps.
 
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