The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

Xfce will save your life on such constrained hardware. If you have no problem with LTS distros, skip Fedora altogether and use Linux Mint or MX Linux. If you have an itch for modern software beyond an LTS cadence, Fedora Xfce and Fedora MATE+Compiz are worthwhile options to consider.
after about 10 tries i actually got xfce cachyos to run but in one botched kernel update due to a failed download the system was dead again. I will say I wanted to avoid mint mostly due to personal prefrence but ill be sure to give it a shot this go round.
 
whats a good linux distro for an old 4gb amd ryzen 3 machine? I really want to throw some kind of arch setup on it but the internet in that location causes the downloads to regularly corrupt during installation. I threw elementary OS on it as a test and the thing runs really slow with a lot of apps freezing even with a 12GB swap file on the ssd.
Alpine, gentoo, or artix with a non-shit DE (so no gnome). Depends on how much you want to SUFFFER BISSSH.
 
after about 10 tries i actually got xfce cachyos to run but in one botched kernel update due to a failed download the system was dead again. I will say I wanted to avoid mint mostly due to personal prefrence but ill be sure to give it a shot this go round.

I don't trust CachyOS as far as I can throw it precisely because of its arcane custom kernel where it stands to benefit "modern" PCs with more recent, powerful hardware (i.e. a Ryzen 7 + 16GB of RAM). Linux Mint uses a generic LTS kernel; new release pending some time in May this year after Ubuntu 26.04 drops and they make their requisite changes. MX Linux follows the latest Debian stable release (Trixie) and so it also inherits a generic LTS kernel. Fedora is closer to mainline Arch than CachyOS because you always get the latest and greatest generic kernel while also getting the latest Mesa courtesy of RPM Fusion. Basically, the lazy man's bleeding edge Linux distro that doesn't go full-tilt into rolling release.

I should point out that I'm qualifying my Fedora recommendation here under the assumption that you're gonna be using a Fedora Spin and not the mainline Workstation (GNOME Shell) or Plasma editions. Some spins are Wayland-forward like COSMIC, Budgie, Sway, and LXQt, but I know for a fact that the MATE+Compiz, Xfce, and Cinnamon spins are all X11-forward. If there were no option for X11, I would not be recommending it whatsoever. Also, Fedora Xfce and Fedora MATE just "look" satisfyingly classic. If you're a Linux boomer with strong attachments to a tried and true workflow, these will be right up your alley.

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after about 10 tries i actually got xfce cachyos to run but in one botched kernel update due to a failed download the system was dead again. I will say I wanted to avoid mint mostly due to personal prefrence but ill be sure to give it a shot this go round.
I don't really understand the problem. Do these Arch distros just not do any verification that the archives it downloads have the right checksum, or at least that they are signed with a valid key (which implicitly tests that they are intact and have not been magically altered by corruption because then 900000000000000000000 times out of 900000000000000000001 the signature would fail to validate)? APT has done both since time immemorial. I can only imagine the rpm infrastructure does the same. I'm pretty sure even Slackware does this FFS.

If that's actually true.. lol. Just use any distribution with a functioning package management system- obviously Devuan is unquestionably the best choice there. But I can't help but wonder whether there's something wrong with your SSD or some other hardware component causing the corruption.

On the other hand, if this is a problem along the lines of whatever Arch PM you're using is downloading a new kernel binary but failing to get the kernel modules package or something like that due to network issues, while still installing the actual kernel, I would assume you could solve that a couple ways: a) just use GRUB and select an older kernel if automatic updates fail to get everything needed and then install the missing packages for the new kernel b) presumably there must be a flag to just... not do the install steps if some packages fail to download?
 
I don't really understand the problem. Do these Arch distros just not do any verification that the archives it downloads have the right checksum, or at least that they are signed with a valid key (which implicitly tests that they are intact and have not been magically altered by corruption because then 900000000000000000000 times out of 900000000000000000001 the signature would fail to validate)? APT has done both since time immemorial. I can only imagine the rpm infrastructure does the same. I'm pretty sure even Slackware does this FFS.

If that's actually true.. lol. Just use any distribution with a functioning package management system- obviously Devuan is unquestionably the best choice there. But I can't help but wonder whether there's something wrong with your SSD or some other hardware component causing the corruption.

On the other hand, if this is a problem along the lines of whatever Arch PM you're using is downloading a new kernel binary but failing to get the kernel modules package or something like that due to network issues, while still installing the actual kernel, I would assume you could solve that a couple ways: a) just use GRUB and select an older kernel if automatic updates fail to get everything needed and then install the missing packages for the new kernel b) presumably there must be a flag to just... not do the install steps if some packages fail to download?

The biggest problem is that this nigga's using CachyOS on hardware that it's explicitly not meant to run on. CachyOS is what you run if you're a sweatlord with a tricked out gaming PC and you bought into the marketing propaganda hook, line, and sinker. CachyOS tries to do the Nobara thing where it ships with a heavily modified kernel that enables all sorts of parameters and flags that you can't necessarily touch on a generic binary kernel, but through the Arch ecosystem. The problem is that GloriousEggRoll can get away with doing that in Fedora because the basic userland (incl. the graphical environment) is "frozen" for six months while the kernel, drivers, Mesa stack, and assorted applications get updates pushed out as soon as it finishes its stint in Fedora Rawhide or RPM Fusion Testing.

CachyOS, by stark contrast, is an Arch variant running a custom kernel with similar modifications to Nobara. Have you ever tried maintaining a custom package in mainline Arch Linux that you tricked the fuck out via the Arch Build System and modifying the PKGBUILD directly? It's lots of fun to do but it's fucking miserable if you're trying to maintain that custom package with the rolling release update cadence Arch and assorted variants must live with. Now think about doing that exercise in futility with a heavily modified kernel with all sorts patches and parameters enabled, on an Arch variant no less, and where stable kernel updates get pushed out way faster than they hit Fedora's default repos. I'll give you a hint: it fucking sucks unless you're a sweatlord who knows what they're doing... and almost no one can even claim that they know what they're doing beyond "oh, this guy did it like this, therefore it's safe.".

I understand the imperative to avoid LTS distros because the kernel, Mesa, and assorted tooling that most directly impacts gaming does update uncomfortably fast to trickle back down to an LTS update cadence that ships with LTS kernels. Having said that: you have far better options than CachyOS, let alone Bazzite, at your disposal. Even ignoring the gaming paradigm for a moment here: why the fuck would you run CachyOS on modest hardware when you can just as easily get away with Fedora or openSUSE Tumbleweed instead, and get some modicum of enterprise QA in the process? Custom kernels are nice, but dudes deadass be underestimating how fucking miserable it is to actually maintain a custom kernel on a rolling release distro, even a semi-rolling or rapid fixed release cycle like Tumbleweed or mainline Fedora. Custom kernels really are the domain of LTS distros where you can maintain your changes without a glibc update borking your shit in arcane and obscure ways that'll make you prematurely bald before you turn 50.
 
Can you guys recommend me a video editor that works on linux? I used to use sony vegas but it is either incompatible with linux mint or I am too retarded to correctly install it
There’s a guide for installing Vegas Pro on Linux but it’s so annoying you might as well just have a separate computer for it, like me. You won’t find anything anywhere even close to Vegas Pro natively, don’t fall for the Davinci shilling.
 
Devuan is sysvinit-forward. If you recall our conversation earlier, you were quite insistent on sysvinit's inferiority to "modern" init systems like systemd, OpenRC, dinit, runit, etc.
ah yeah thats a misunderstanding of how devuan works
so yeah the init itself is sysvinit but it has a full openrc/runit implementation over it
its not nearly as cool as artix but its fine for my purposes
for now though devuan doesnt want to install correctly, something about partitions and trying to use my usb for some reason
and artix has display glitching tf out on kde, so i actually did end up going with fedora kde in the meantime while i think of what to do, openbsd may be an option, kicksecure or qubes os is another
 
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for now though devuan doesnt want to install correctly, something about partitions and trying to use my usb for some reason
I had a weird issue that the installer didn't load ext3/ext4 drivers and so it refused to install a bootloader since it was confused between x86_64 and legacy, but that was because it was in low memory mode which shouldn't hit most people.

Just leave it alone with sysvinit. Sure you can install OpenRC or whatever else, but FFS, you're never going to notice.

I let 2 dedis and 4 VPS go this month and only held onto the domains that matter for one reason or another. Feels good but also strange. No more "end of the world" safety net; not even handling my own DNS anymore.

openbsd may be an option, kicksecure or qubes os is another
As someone who nearly just did an OpenBSD cutover - if you're having problems with getting Devuan running, don't bother. There's so much upstream that just no longer exists due to being unmaintained that you're going to be running with half of what you used to. OBSD has never been a great desktop. KDE2 was nice on NetBSD.. in 2001.
 
As someone who nearly just did an OpenBSD cutover - if you're having problems with getting Devuan running, don't bother. There's so much upstream that just no longer exists due to being unmaintained that you're going to be running with half of what you used to. OBSD has never been a great desktop. KDE2 was nice on NetBSD.. in 2001.
ya thats why i was hesitant i know i always run into weird hw compat issues
 
@General Zoider I'm deliberately pinging you to show what Fedora 43 Xfce looks like. QEMU VM screenshot as below.

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Mind you, I'm on a QEMU VM but it's running reasonably well despite the inherent limitations of a virtual machine. Linux Mint and MX Linux arguably have a prettier, much more customised version, but really... you can't go wrong with Fedora Xfce because it's still a functional, utilitarian desktop environment that you're more than able to configure at your leisure. That's not even getting into the fact that Fedora Xfce has a fast update cadence without going full-tilt into rolling release.

Obviously... if you're vehemently opposed to Red Hat Poetterware slop, Fedora is an inherent non-starter. But if you're like me and you can't commit to Artix because the software itself is excellent but the AUR is the big bottleneck... there are much worse options than this.
 
The Linux Kernel LTS versions are maintained by Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin (ex IDF).

"Anyone can contribute" is a myth: barrier to entry is way too high, and they recently removed Russian maintainers from the Kernel.
In reality, you trust a handful of nepotistic, corporate fellows to do the work for you.

There is no free software, there is no freedom.
 
The Linux Kernel LTS versions are maintained by Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin (ex IDF).

"Anyone can contribute" is a myth: barrier to entry is way too high, and they recently removed Russian maintainers from the Kernel.
In reality, you trust a handful of nepotistic, corporate fellows to do the work for you.

There is no free software, there is no freedom.
someone asked me to do a guide on making the most unwoke OS setup and i honestly cant find any way out of the hell that is red hat/ibm dominance
they got their hands in like every pie
only thing i can think of is abandon linux entirely and go openbsd
 
someone asked me to do a guide on making the most unwoke OS setup and i honestly cant find any way out of the hell that is red hat/ibm dominance
they got their hands in like every pie
only thing i can think of is abandon linux entirely and go openbsd

FreeBSD >>> OpenBSD in terms of pure usability. You should look through my post history in this thread for “FreeBSD” so that you can see my rundowns
 
well ya but remember i said the goal was unwoke OS

Dude, finding a well and truly "unwoke" OS is fucking impossible. There are obnoxious faggots who have their fingers in basically every paradigm of computing. OpenBSD is "politics-free" but believe me when I say that OpenBSD is definitely popular as a server OS among trannies who got exiled from FreeBSD who in turn got exiled from Linux who in turn got exiled from basically every other project under the goddamn sun. Even XLibre's own GitHub page shows a screenshot of libxtrans. The most you can realistically do is basically cut your losses and opt for a more pragmatic solution that you can adopt the most functional solutions possible while minimising your exposure to the fullest extent you can without living like RMS where you just live out of an Emacs window, never connect to the internet, never use credit cards, pay in cash only, use refurbished T400 laptops, and specifically go out of your way to avoid identifying yourself to the fullest extent you can legally.

If you really wanna be an anti-systemd, anti-Poetterware Luddite, FreeBSD is the best possible option that you have. If you're like me and you don't care so much about abstract idealism so much as you care about pragmatic results based on what you experience in the here and now, you have much more at your disposal. You literally came here asking for GNOME/KDE distro recommendations because you have a laptop and you want it to be touch friendly. GNOME and KDE are the most ultra pozzed projects in the Linux world to this day. You shat on sysvinit but you were actively trying to install Devuan, which is sysvinit-forward. You're looking for a unicorn that can't even exist as a figment of the most demented imaginations possible.

If you're rejecting FreeBSD and you're considering OpenBSD in its stead because it's not "woke," you're a lost cause and there ain't no helping you. By your logic, you shouldn't even be posting on Kiwi Farms because Null actively leverages Rust in the site's programming. Null's even unapologetic about using Rust because nothing's funnier to him than using woke trannyware against the people who promote it. Null even admitted that he has burner accounts on Discord to run for help in public servers whenever something goes awry. Richard Matthew Stallman once said that a Nazi who makes quality code and licenses it under the GPL is repugnant, but the code itself still counts as free software and is worth using. The reverse is also true.

Idk what you even want anymore, and tbh I'm 99.99% sure that you're not even sure what you're looking for anymore either.
 
You literally came here asking for GNOME/KDE distro recommendations because you have a laptop and you want it to be touch friendly. GNOME and KDE are the most ultra pozzed projects in the Linux world to this day. You shat on sysvinit but you were actively trying to install Devuan, which is sysvinit-forward. You're looking for a unicorn that can't even exist as a figment of the most demented imaginations possible.
ok i guess i have to explain my use case to u
i was basing my distro on gnome for touch accessibility reasons until kde became mature enough to replace it for people with full body paralysis like cerebral palsy or quadriplegia, which is what most of my actual foss contributions revolve around
as for devuan i did say this is a laptop i dont use a lot so a rolling release like artix or void isnt a good option. and like i said devuan has a runit/openrc implementation over sysvinit so its not really the same thing as using a pure sysvinit distro
you might be happy to learn i actually took your advice and went with fedora kde which is what ive been test bedding accessibility software on for a while
systemd also works out well for this use case because the main reason i dislike systemd is how much dominance it has over the linux space, and i do get errors that tell me im missing systemd specific features even inside of steam
 
Dude, finding a well and truly "unwoke" OS is fucking impossible. There are obnoxious faggots who have their fingers in basically every paradigm of computing. OpenBSD is "politics-free" but believe me when I say that OpenBSD is definitely popular as a server OS among trannies who got exiled from FreeBSD who in turn got exiled from Linux who in turn got exiled from basically every other project under the goddamn sun. Even XLibre's own GitHub page shows a screenshot of libxtrans. The most you can realistically do is basically cut your losses and opt for a more pragmatic solution that you can adopt the most functional solutions possible while minimising your exposure to the fullest extent you can without living like RMS where you just live out of an Emacs window, never connect to the internet, never use credit cards, pay in cash only, use refurbished T400 laptops, and specifically go out of your way to avoid identifying yourself to the fullest extent you can legally.
Cmon nigga the libxtrans screenshot is absolutely an ironic shitpost. All of those other bits sound perfectly rational.

Richard Matthew Stallman once said that a Nazi who makes quality code and licenses it under the GPL is repugnant, but the code itself still counts as free software and is worth using. The reverse is also true.
Absolutely agree and therein lies the beauty of FOSS, especially in good operating systems (read: Guix System) that allow for a one-up: package pinning. Updoot culture is fucking retarded, especially when coupled with the "move fast dialte things" Red Hat way of doing things, since there's essentially 0 reason to update anything unless it A) breaks, or B) implements some crucial feature that you actually need. Even under Wayland, even when using "fast" software like Hyprland, you effectively lose nothing by pinning, and stand to gain a lot if the upstream for that package turns belly up. No need to suffer loony troons when you can pull in a version you know isn't niggerlicious, pin, and forget.
 
Can you guys recommend me a video editor that works on linux? I used to use sony vegas but it is either incompatible with linux mint or I am too retarded to correctly install it
I like Kdenlive but I will admit that it's not the powerhouse that other video editors are. You can do highend stuff with it, but you have to work a little harder at it. For normie editting, I think it's fine.
 
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