The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[ellroy]

Linus is a fedora.
But yes.
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ETA: @TsundereDev check out Fedora if you like too, it's another decent Linux distribution. Admittedly I can't speak much to how it handles as a desktop machine though. The last time I ran Fedora with a full desktop+GUI setup (and not in a LXD container or VM) was a full 8 or so years ago I think, and I remember SELinux being quite annoying for everyday use. I have to imagine that they're made that easier over the last decade though.

I’m not trying to get into a fight about which distro is better but as a former user of Fedora, I don’t think it a wise idea.

Fedora once upon a time, wasn’t bad I used it after coming off a several year long stint using Scientific Linux and CentOS. Fedora has a glaring flaw, it will break itself if it doesn’t get updated enough. At one point my machine was two releases out of date, that trying to update to the newest version broke the operating system and I needed to reinstall. If this is a part time OS for you, stay away. If you like it to be in full time, it’s a not a bad choice just I think there are much better distros. I will say Fedora from 2014 was much to use than it was in 2017-2018 era.

 

[ditto]

Fedora has a glaring flaw, it will break itself if it doesn’t get updated enough.

That's why Debian Stable is the only distro I trust for Linux installs longer than a couple of months. Even Ubuntu has been known to shit the bed by filling up the root partition with kernels after a while, rendering the system unbootable.

 

[Knight of the Rope]

I’m not trying to get into a fight about which distro is better but as a former user of Fedora, I don’t think it a wise idea.

As the resident Ubuntufag, hearing that Fedora still kind of sucks is as joyous as it is informative.

Even Ubuntu has been known to shit the bed by filling up the root partition with kernels after a while, rendering the system unbootable.

You take that back motherfucker That sounds pretty odd, usually apt cowers out of the kernel installation/initramfs creation if it doesn't have enough room.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

Looks like RaspiOS 64 bit is out of beta, useful for those who want to migrate over now. For desktop usage, roll however you please, but within reasonable expectation.

 

[ellroy]

As the resident Ubuntufag, hearing that Fedora still kind of sucks is as joyous as it is informative.


You take that back motherfucker That sounds pretty odd, usually apt cowers out of the kernel installation/initramfs creation if it doesn't have enough room.

I have used Ubuntu as a full time OS four separate times in the last 14 years and I feel like it’s been the most consistence experience, second to CentOS prior to 2020. Granted there are things that Ubuntu doesn’t do that great and weird pitfalls it’s falling into for software package design but it’s a strong choice for an OS. I only recommend the LTS though, and review what major software is available for the LTS before choosing it. For example, Mozilla Thunderbird is dated on 20.04 for some reason even though Mozilla has plenty of newer versions that are compatible.

Fedora on the other hand always marketed itself as the bleeding edge but never felt right and always just felt dated compared to Ubuntu. I didn’t mind Red Hat related distros like CentOS being dated because they were extremely stable but Fedora never met what I was wanting.

I’m starting to use Manjaro more so maybe one day I’ll embrace the puzzle piece ratings and go all in on Arch. However I do not recommend Manjaro for beginners because I have 14 years of experience and I’m constantly learning new things with it.

 

[ditto]

That sounds pretty odd, usually apt cowers out of the kernel installation/initramfs creation if it doesn't have enough room.

Prior to 16.04 Ubuntu would happily fill the /boot partition with old kernels until auto-update started failing.
Easy to fix but very annoying. Another case of Ubuntu trying to be smart and failing.

 

[ellroy]

A little side story to tell concerning my adventures in Manjaro. I have new desktop that I dual boot with Manjaro as the distro as my old desktop still boots fine and runs Ubuntu 20.04 LTS and I don’t see the need for them to run the same distro and I want to familiarize myself with Arch. I’m also pursuing a masters in Computer science part time.

I installed libre office in case I need to do word processing for school discussions on blackboard. I did the pacman -S command for the libre packages. I was in Manjaro because I had to use Python’s Matplotlib to generate plots and it was just easier to do it in Linux. When it came to a discussion post I wrote last night I noticed after I posted it, I had four spelling errors, not good for a graduate level course. I go into the libre and notice the spell checker is on but isn’t registering any mispelled word. I search and I found out I need to install hunspell-en for the US English dictionary for spell check. I never had to do this Ubuntu, Fedora, and CentOS, yet for some reason Manjaro doesn’t think it is necessary to include that package when it comes to the libre package.

I’m not upset so much as I am just questioning this design decision. Spellcheck working out of the box has been a staple of Microsoft office as long as I remember yet a Linux distro doesn’t think it is important to include these packages. Maybe my fault for not RTFM-ing, however I am about to get dinged some points now because of a design decision on a detail that other distros don’t do.

 

[AnOminous]

I think he means Programmer Pummeler from Portland Linus, as opposed to Faggot Earring Youtube Linus.

It is pathetic that people now think of that autistic faggot Linus instead of the One True Linus when anyone says "Linus." I hate that retarded son of a bitch so much! It's even top Google hit. Fuck you Google too.

 

[Dick Justice]

It is pathetic that people now think of that autistic faggot Linus instead of the One True Linus when anyone says "Linus." I hate that retarded son of a bitch so much! It's even top Google hit. Fuck you Google too.

Jewgle marginalizes people that matter in favour of soyfaced consoomers, news at 10.

 

[Knight of the Rope]

I go into the libre and notice the spell checker is on but isn’t registering any mispelled word. I search and I found out I need to install hunspell-en for the US English dictionary for spell check.

TeX editors are notorious for this too in my experience (on every distro). I think TeXMaker still defaults to assuming that myspell is installed (which it usually never is since hunspell is newer and more comprehensive and the libreoffice default), so a gotcha is that you've always got to go in and set the dictionary manually if you want red squiggles.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

Fedora once upon a time, wasn’t bad I used it after coming off a several year long stint using Scientific Linux and CentOS. Fedora has a glaring flaw, it will break itself if it doesn’t get updated enough. At one point my machine was two releases out of date, that trying to update to the newest version broke the operating system and I needed to reinstall. If this is a part time OS for you, stay away. If you like it to be in full time, it’s a not a bad choice just I think there are much better distros. I will say Fedora from 2014 was much to use than it was in 2017-2018 era.

Trying to jump two releases is one of those things that's technically supported but is more likely than not to break your system.

I'm a huge fan of Fedora but it does have its problems. Moving to Wayland on the KDE spin for 34 was too soon. The devs really like being cutting-edge even when it's not a great idea.

 

[Spasticus Autisticus]

Slackware 15.0 was released today. DistroTube proven wrong again.

 

[NewRetroVagina23]

Alma or Rocky Linux? CentOS looks much more my jam than other Distros, and Debian hits all the wrong notes to be a serious competitor, ditto for SUSE.

 

[ellroy]

Alma or Rocky Linux? CentOS looks much more my jam than other Distros, and Debian hits all the wrong notes to be a serious competitor, ditto for SUSE.

As a long time user of CentOS, I only recommend Rocky as a server distro or maybe a workstation you remote into if the software's Linux support is limited to RPMs or is RHEL/Fedora centric. I can't recommend CentOS now that they moved to a rolling release.

It really depends on your end use of it.

Will you run it as a desktop OS? It can do that but you're going to be limited on available software packages unless you figure out what version of Fedora is compatible with your release and try to use those packages without repository support.

Do you like using a limited number of repos? That's what you'll be doing because when I had CentOS the only repos I used where the defaults and adding EPEL. Trying to add more lead to software package conflicts.

Do you want to run every video codec that exists on the web? It can't do that with the repositories packages I just mentioned but Fedora's repo packages certainly can.

Do you want popular software like chromium and JavaScript packages to be up to date and supported long into your distro version lifecycle? This is a very poor choice of a distro because that will not happen especially given how software is more a service now. Streaming services won't support your machine because the software dependencies will be dated.

Do you favor stability? Then you are in luck, this is your distro for rock solid stability I only suffered a very major failure on CentOS 6 with a three year old install. I think it was a kernel issue and I still have the hard disk just never troubleshot it and don't have the hardware it was installed on operational anymore. Beyond that, I can't think of any other time where the system crashed.

It's your choice what you want to run but ask yourself those questions. I will say that if you want to learn Linux (making an assumption here, don't get mad), RHEL based operating systems are a good choice but you'll outgrow them quickly unless you like to write code.

 

[AnOminous]

TeX editors are notorious for this too in my experience (on every distro). I think TeXMaker still defaults to assuming that myspell is installed (which it usually never is since hunspell is newer and more comprehensive and the libreoffice default), so a gotcha is that you've always got to go in and set the dictionary manually if you want red squiggles.

If you're even using TeX editors at all you already know this though.

 

[NewRetroVagina23]

As a long time user of CentOS, I only recommend Rocky as a server distro or maybe a workstation you remote into if the software's Linux support is limited to RPMs or is RHEL/Fedora centric. I can't recommend CentOS now that they moved to a rolling release.

It really depends on your end use of it.

Will you run it as a desktop OS? It can do that but you're going to be limited on available software packages unless you figure out what version of Fedora is compatible with your release and try to use those packages without repository support.

Do you like using a limited number of repos? That's what you'll be doing because when I had CentOS the only repos I used where the defaults and adding EPEL. Trying to add more lead to software package conflicts.

Do you want to run every video codec that exists on the web? It can't do that with the repositories packages I just mentioned but Fedora's repo packages certainly can.

Do you want popular software like chromium and JavaScript packages to be up to date and supported long into your distro version lifecycle? This is a very poor choice of a distro because that will not happen especially given how software is more a service now. Streaming services won't support your machine because the software dependencies will be dated.

Do you favor stability? Then you are in luck, this is your distro for rock solid stability I only suffered a very major failure on CentOS 6 with a three year old install. I think it was a kernel issue and I still have the hard disk just never troubleshot it and don't have the hardware it was installed on operational anymore. Beyond that, I can't think of any other time where the system crashed.

It's your choice what you want to run but ask yourself those questions. I will say that if you want to learn Linux (making an assumption here, don't get mad), RHEL based operating systems are a good choice but you'll outgrow them quickly unless you like to write code.

Stability and software variety are my two primary objectives. I really couldn't give less of a toss about the latest-and-greatest, but a rocksolid version of whatever arbitrary software I should take a liking to needs to be in the repos. I absolutely do not want to deal with shit like "we crashed X11 because some fuckhead maintainer simultaneously got a wild hair up his asshole yet also was unwilling to do his homework on properly integrating these changes....have fun using only the terminal to dig yourself out, sucks to be you!"

 

[Spasticus Autisticus]

Stability and software variety are my two primary objectives. I really couldn't give less of a toss about the latest-and-greatest, but a rocksolid version of whatever arbitrary software I should take a liking to needs to be in the repos. I absolutely do not want to deal with shit like "we crashed X11 because some fuckhead maintainer simultaneously got a wild hair up his asshole yet also was unwilling to do his homework on properly integrating these changes....have fun using only the terminal to dig yourself out, sucks to be you!"

You said you didn't want Debian, but it wasn't clear if you meant Debian and derivatives. If you don't mind trying a Debian derivative, it sounds like Ubuntu LTS would serve you better than Alma and Rocky. But again it kind of depends on what exactly you're doing with your system. Keep in mind that RHEL and downstream are primarily meant for enterprise server environments. You certainly can still use them on the desktop, but a general purpose distro like Ubuntu is going to be a nicer experience overall. Otherwise, flip a coin and pick Alma or Rocky, they are practically interchangeable.

 

[NewRetroVagina23]

You said you didn't want Debian, but it wasn't clear if you meant Debian and derivatives. If you don't mind trying a Debian derivative, it sounds like Ubuntu LTS would serve you better than Alma and Rocky. But again it kind of depends on what exactly you're doing with your system. Keep in mind that RHEL and downstream are primarily meant for enterprise server environments. You certainly can still use them on the desktop, but a general purpose distro like Ubuntu is going to be a nicer experience overall. Otherwise, flip a coin and pick Alma or Rocky, they are practically interchangeable.

Main reason I don't want Debian is that I'm much more Eric S. Raymond to their Richard Stallman. I should not have to jump through hoops just because they have qualms about binary blobs in their precious open source troon utopia OS. Not to mention my qualms about letting programming sock people anywhere near my computer if I can help it. This was actually one of the main reasons I didn't go with SUSE, though admittedly my source for their woke infestation is Lunduke, who has his own foibles and agenda like any other media personality.

I gave Ubuntu their chance from '07 to '09 (as a daily driver OS, even, no Windows to run home squealing to like it was my mommy at every inconvenience). Most miserable two years of computing I ever experienced- constantly broken X11, botched PulseAudio integration, endless excuses from both the Core Team and the community. I was not impressed.

 

[Aidan]

Main reason I don't want Debian is that I'm much more Eric S. Raymond to their Richard Stallman. I should not have to jump through hoops just because they have qualms about binary blobs in their precious open source troon utopia OS. Not to mention my qualms about letting programming sock people anywhere near my computer if I can help it. This was actually one of the main reasons I didn't go with SUSE, though admittedly my source for their woke infestation is Lunduke, who has his own foibles and agenda like any other media personality.

I gave Ubuntu their chance from '07 to '09 (as a daily driver OS, even, no Windows to run home squealing to like it was my mommy at every inconvenience). Most miserable two years of computing I ever experienced- constantly broken X11, botched PulseAudio integration, endless excuses from both the Core Team and the community. I was not impressed.

Be careful on your journey to avoid autism - else you may find you've become autistic somewhere along the way.

 

[CryoRevival #SJ-112]

Be careful on your journey to avoid autism - else you may find you've become autistic somewhere along the way.

Reminds me of that scene in Tarzan where Clayton cuts all the vines, thinking he can escape the large long haired man, but Clayton instead ends up hanging himself.

@NewRetroVagina23

https://www.linuxfromscratch.org

This will guarantee no socked programmers work on your OS, but beware, if you work on it too much, eventually there may be one...