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Dolphin, or any of the KDE ones. You have to check a checkbox to change the default.
The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice
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TsundereDev
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Update: well you guys, I am seriously, Grade A+ fucking retarded. Nearly borked my beloved main laptop while trying to install FUCKING DEBIAN. Couldn't recover Windows (personal files backed up tho). I am fucking embarassed. Luckily I got Ubuntu installed on it now from a flashdrive so I can actually use it, but fuck... I wish I it had been Gentoo, or Arch, cause at least that would be understandable but Debian?
To be honest, it might be a blessing in disguise. I've got no choice BUT to use Linux. I don't really see it as that much of a loss. Sure, not being able to play most of my Steam library sucks but I needed to play less vidya anyways.
To be honest, it might be a blessing in disguise. I've got no choice BUT to use Linux. I don't really see it as that much of a loss. Sure, not being able to play most of my Steam library sucks but I needed to play less vidya anyways.
Seasoned News Reporter
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More games need to be working on linux. Valve has made it as easy as they possible can but game publishers are still gay with their anti-cheat. Also debian is ancient magic that requires the use of moon runes & shit. "Jokes aside" debian is heavily focused around deb files & stability so installing programs is alot more like windows where you download a deb file & then install it. Like windows exe installers.
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It's ok, even Linus can't install Debian.
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Don't feel bad, Debian is weird.
For one, basically every other distro is okay with the fact that you're going to need non-FOSS software to get things like wireless internet and graphics working usually. Except for Debian, where it's 'free software only!' or nothing and installing non-free software is the most painful experience it can possibly be. (Here's one that always pisses me right off: does your wireless card need non-free software to work? Fuck you, Debian's not going to install it for you. In fact, the default installation DVD iso doesn't even have non-free stuff on it, so you would've noticed that your wireless card doesn't work right around the second this 'modern Linux distro' suddenly couldn't find your router for some mysterious reason. And if you didn't realize this was a big problem, then after the install you'd boot into a 'working' distro with no Internet access, and you'd have to come up with a solution to the eternal chicken-egg conundrum of how the fuck you download the wireless drivers from the Internet if you can't connect to the Internet in the first place.)
Debian also occupies an especially weird spot on the difficulty continuum between Ubuntu/Mint/etc and Arch when it comes to how much they want their user to know. I'll give the Arch Linux faggots shit forever because all of them deserve it, but the one thing they got right is the ArchWiki and the manual install process. Compare the "Disk Partitioning" steps of these three distros, for instance:
- Ubuntu is user-friendly to a fault, and you probably don't even realize you're doing any disk partitioning because it goes out of its way to hide that fact in the installer. It won't even tell you what a partition is most of the time. Instead it just asks "Do you want to Install Ubuntu alongside or in place of Windows?". There's an 'Advanced' option, but clicking it just gives you the option of encrypting the root partition or setting up LVM (don't know what LVM is? That's fine, Ubuntu won't tell you and for casual users it won't even matter). In particular, if you want anything that's not a standard "give me a root partition as big as possible", you're shit out of luck without doing it manually through fdisk or something like the Arch fags.
- Arch goes the exact other extreme and has you partitioning the entire disk manually. "Alright, we're going to have you modify the GPT partition table directly. Don't know what a partition table is? Fuck you, start reading. Oh, you can set up LVM at this point if you want, too. Don't know what LVM is? Fuck you, start reading." You're going to know exactly what every block device on your system looks like because Arch is going to make you dot every fucking i and cross every fucking t, and it's going to suck. All of those Arch users that you see reminiscing about their installation and ricing, etc? Yeah, they all have Stockholm Syndrome. Very sad, many such cases. That said, thank God for the speds that have everything recorded meticulously in the ArchWiki. It's a level of autism that's simultaneously impressive but that we should absolutely start bullying them for Kiwi-style.
- Debian, however, is actually the worst of both worlds. It assumes that you already know what partitions are (but it's not going to tell you or force you to learn like Arch will). If you just click though the install it will happily just erase Windows and commandeer the entire disk space (because fuck you, why would you want Micro$oft shit on your computer, right? In fact, you should thank Stallman for purging it for you). Debian gives you enough rope to hang yourself, much like Arch. But unlike Arch it's not going to meticulously walk you through the process of tying the noose so that you might realize that you're doing something stupid partway through and stop. For instance, it'll let you accidentally remove the EFI system partition, but won't even give you a massive "Hey fuck you, you need this partition bro, if you're gonna delete it you'd best be making a new one faggot" like Arch does. It will let you just delete and overwrite a Windows partition as if it were any other partition, unlike Ubuntu (which explicitly asks you if you want to keep Windows around). The GUI, in many cases, just obfuscates the complexity.
Don't feel bad for messing up a Debian install. 'Tis a silly operating system. Heck, Linus can't even install Debian, probably.
Yeah but Linus somehow managed to fuck up a Pop!OS install trying to get steam to work, he should stick to Tech Tips.
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Daily reminder that before Windows 95, there was Norton Commander. I remember using it for a short period of time when I was a kid, before my dad took our aging 486 to get upgraded, and we got it back as a brand spankin' new Pentium 266 with Windows 98.
cd nc
nc
Was my extent of computer knowledge when I was 12-13.
As a result, I barely remember how to use Norton Commander, much less its clone, Midnight Commander. Here are some pretty useful guides:
EDIT: Other alternatives to mc are:
lf (https://github.com/gokcehan/lf)
nnn (https://github.com/jarun/nnn)
lfm (https://github.com/langner/lfm)
vifm (https://vifm.info/)
ranger (https://github.com/ranger/ranger)
With UI (cross platform):
muCommander (https://www.mucommander.com/)
DoubleCommander (https://doublecmd.sourceforge.io/)
fman (https://fman.io/)
Camelot (https://github.com/IngvarX/Camelot)
cd nc
nc
Was my extent of computer knowledge when I was 12-13.
As a result, I barely remember how to use Norton Commander, much less its clone, Midnight Commander. Here are some pretty useful guides:
EDIT: Other alternatives to mc are:
lf (https://github.com/gokcehan/lf)
nnn (https://github.com/jarun/nnn)
lfm (https://github.com/langner/lfm)
vifm (https://vifm.info/)
ranger (https://github.com/ranger/ranger)
With UI (cross platform):
muCommander (https://www.mucommander.com/)
DoubleCommander (https://doublecmd.sourceforge.io/)
fman (https://fman.io/)
Camelot (https://github.com/IngvarX/Camelot)
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TsundereDev
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Got overconfident, and was slightly drunk. Recipe for disaster, but I'll go more in depth in response to @Knight of the Rope
Man, you hit the nail right on the fucking head. The ethernet card and drivers portion completely fucked me. Admittedly, I went into it being ignorant about the process and should have done my due diligence. Thanks for your post, excellent response and made me feel less like a complete fuckup.
Learned a hard lesson: don't fuck around with shit when you don't know what you're doing AND you're under the influence. At least I'll have more Linux in my life, though.
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Install Gentoo!
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Let me give you something akin to a swiss army knife for boot drives
Ventoy
Ventoy is an open source tool to create bootable USB drive for ISO files. With ventoy, you don't need to format the disk again and again, you just need to copy the iso file to the USB drive and boot it.
Basically install this on a thumb drive, then you can just drag & drop iso files onto & boot from many a selection of live disk images. This is important because if something fucks up you'll have a thumb drive ready with the means to most likely help you fix it.
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Now try making a dual boot system with Windows again as that is sometimes its own can of worms when Linux is installed first. I'd also correct the lesson: don't fuck around with shit outside of a VM if you don't know what you're doing. Get yourself a QEMU and a virt-manager GUI for it, spin up a VM or two and do things there before trying them on a real machine. Getting good at the command line or setting up services & daemons doesn't need to happen on live hardware.
I think he means Programmer Pummeler from Portland Linus, as opposed to Faggot Earring Youtube Linus.
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Hell at least the genkernel has non-free firmware.
This is what's going to bite you in the ass with Debian every single time and they do a pretty poor job of explaining why you might actually want the image with non-free firmware in it.
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When I first installed Debian, the drivers and such missing caught me nastily off guard too. If you ever feel like trying again, Debian can still do wired internet, even if free from proprietary stuff. If you have a modem, just hook it up to the PC with an ethernet cable, if you have a smartphone plus a data plan, use USB tethering to share the network with the PC. Even the BSDs can do these out of the box AFAIK, only in case of the latter there is a small config you have to change in a text file somewhere in the system folders. For VMs, my choice is VirtualBox, to add to some above posts.
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Linus uses Fedora, last time I checked.
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Linus is a fedora.
But yes.
ETA: @TsundereDev check out Fedora if you like too, it's another decent Linux distribution. Admittedly I can't speak much to how it handles as a desktop machine though. The last time I ran Fedora with a full desktop+GUI setup (and not in a LXD container or VM) was a full 8 or so years ago I think, and I remember SELinux being quite annoying for everyday use. I have to imagine that they're made that easier over the last decade though.
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CryoRevival #SJ-112
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I run a debian CLI VM for docker containers on my proxmox server. Its pretty chill when everything is virtualized but there are definitely better options out there.
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Despite the name, Fedora is a great desktop distro. Unlike Ubuntu it tends to have up-to-date versions of packages with relatively few distro-specific customizations. The default version uses GNOME, and it's probably the best GNOME implementation out there, but if you don't want GNOME it has lots of spins of other DEs and WMs. SELinux is the biggest caveat, but the official Fedora docs do a good job of calling out the complications that it can pose.