The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[analrapist]

I think it's better to get a separate drive for goydows because it likes to nuke all other partitions when installing.

My experience is that the MS partition editor in the Windows install process has been straightforward and functional. I've made mistakes with it, but when used correctly, I consider it reliable. More reliable than most MS! I guess the installer is important and tested. Not saying it's perfect, just that I've personally found it dependable.

 

[Betonhaus]

My experience is that the MS partition editor in the Windows install process has been straightforward and functional. I've made mistakes with it, but when used correctly, I consider it reliable. More reliable than most MS! I guess the installer is important and tested. Not saying it's perfect, just that I've personally found it dependable.

Just use Gparted. The partition manager in the installer is like Baby's First Partition Wizard

 

[FedraGlow]

To any windows and linux crossbooters; is it worth buying a new harddrive to crossboot or can i just allocate space on my SSD/Hard drive im running windows on now? This might be a dumb question, i literally just started messing with linux like a month ago so spare me.

I use both Windows and Linux, mainly running Windows in a virtual machine for most things. You really only need Windows if you want to play games with some anti-cheats or use certain software that doesn’t work on Linux.

One benefit of having both systems is that if you download something on your Linux side, you can easily move files between the two. I use several drives for my setups since I have them available, but if you’re only using one drive, it’s usually best to install Windows first, then Linux. This helps prevent partition conflicts with starting up the systems and managing the space on your drive.



https://areweanticheatyet.com/

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

Id rather have everything be flatpaks then having normal ass linux package management where stuff is just everywhere and every app has its own unique special place to drop a config file. You can install anything you want via distrobox but the issue is distrobox doesn't consistently work. I just come from an environment were I learned to use Linux on enterprise machines without root access so im just used to containerized solutions like conda rather than full system package managers, but I understand its a preference thing. Its also why I hate Jorge acting like traditional package manager setups need to be replaced with atomic systems.

Distrobox just does everything the normal way, but in a second file system in ~/.local/share/containers.

And things are configured in 3 places on a normal Linux distro. /Etc for system wide configuration files, .config for user specific config files, and sometimes config files will be in the users home directory. Really it's one place for system wide configs. And 2 places it can be for user configs. If you know that you really don't need to do any searching. In fact, if it's not something fairly old like bash, or vim. You can just assume the config file goes in ~/.config/"application name". We have the xdg specification that defines where things go, and at this point pretty much only legacy software doesn't use it. That or maybe some weird windows thing people are thing to run on Linux systems, idk I don't use anything like that though.

This guy really hates anonymous people leaving comments disagreeing, that didn't listen to his arguments, or read the comment they are replying to. It sounds like the got bullied out of using Linux. I really hope people stop trolling this poor fat German. He can't help, but argue with everyone, it's not his fault they are all "terminally online" and didn't listen to what he said.

 

[Carpe Jugulum]

To any windows and linux crossbooters; is it worth buying a new harddrive to crossboot or can i just allocate space on my SSD/Hard drive im running windows on now? This might be a dumb question, i literally just started messing with linux like a month ago so spare me.

I have separate drives on the PCs and a partitioned one on laptop (running off an external was a fuckup so only way). I prefer separate because I don’t really know what I’m doing and I feel better knowing if I fuck one up, the other is fine. I bricked one of my first installs within 30mins.

As noted earlier, you 100% want timeshift or something similar set up. You won’t regret it.

 

[Intel® Core™2 Duo E8400]

I also wish there was a tiling window manager like stage manager on GNOME since it's a nice on MacOS.

I’ve had a good experience with this extension

https://github.com/pop-os/shell

I had to look up what stage manager was but turns out I’m using the extension to do something similar. Basically I use it to arrange my windows in multiple workspaces with just 1-2 windows each and go up and down the workspaces as needed. I’ve set up keyboard shortcuts to move the current window to next or previous workspace and it works very well with the tiling, so I don’t have to arrange anything at all.
It’s very predictable and nothing is ever hidden behind something else

 

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To any windows and linux crossbooters; is it worth buying a new harddrive to crossboot or can i just allocate space on my SSD/Hard drive im running windows on now? This might be a dumb question, i literally just started messing with linux like a month ago so spare me.

Fair call hoss.

Here's the question you need to ask first, if you're doing anything with a computer. Even just leaving it on and running:
Is there anything on this machine that I can't afford to lose?

If there is- whether it's something you do for work or family photos or whatever the fuck- the first thing you should do, whether you're going to install Linux or not, is to arrange to back things up. Copy the important stuff onto a hard drive or flash drive if you can. If you're the IT guy for your family, get something like Syncthing set up and get their important stuff synced one-way to your PC, and your important stuff synced one-way to their PC/s.

Then, before you go and install anything, whether you have separate drives or not, you shouldn't risk taking your primary PC offline without having a recovery plan. You probably already have a flash drive of 16gb or more in size, and probably intend to use it to run your linux install. You probably intend to write that flash drive from Windows.

1. Priority- high: If you have a second flash drive then you should use the Windows Installation Media Creator to write a Windows boot USB in case you need it: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us...-windows-99a58364-8c02-206f-aa6f-40c3b507420d
2. Priority- low: If things get fucky, then do you have another PC- or one you could borrow from your missus, or a roommate, or someone to write another Linux install USB to do a recovery. Pretty unlikely that it's needed but better safe that sorry.

With all that being said- here's a number of things you should ABSOLUTELY NOT do:

1. NEVER resize your existing Windows partitions with anything that isn't explicitly set up to resize NTFS partitions. There are Linux utilities that will do that, and they work 100% of the time nowadays, but why risk it? If you need space for Linux, then go into Disk Management in Windows, right click the partition you want to shrink, 'Shrink Volume'. Then you can allocate that free space to whatever your Linux installer wants to do with it when running that install.
2. NEVER mess around with anything without first confirming whether you have BitLocker operating on your Windows partition, and if it is is enabled, printing and backing up the recovery key to somewhere that isn't anything that you're using for the install.
3. NEVER fuck around with your BIOS settings to change from UEFI to BIOS booting or change UEFI Secure Boot settings for a computer configured with Windows already unless you're happy to have your Windows install blown away. If you try and install a Linux distro and you can't get the computer to boot after the install, just see if there's options you ignored about where the bootloader was to be installed, and if those options don't work, install a different Linux distro and delete the existing Linux partitions as part of your install.

As long as you follow those precautions, it will be really quite hard to completely write off an existing Windows install. That's not to say that you will have problems if you don't, but these are good protections to make sure you don't write off things unnecessarily. On the other hand, if you don't follow the precautions, it will probably be fine, but reloading things sucks.

And if you just want to use Linux stuff for software development, just use WSL.

 

[Ferryman]

To any windows and linux crossbooters; is it worth buying a new harddrive to crossboot or can i just allocate space on my SSD/Hard drive im running windows on now? This might be a dumb question, i literally just started messing with linux like a month ago so spare me.

I'd say it depends on what your use case is. Are you intending on running Linux as your primary OS from now on? What do you need to continue using Windows for? If you intend on running Linux as your main OS, then I'd even go so far as to say you could plausibly run Windows in a VM if your machine can handle it and you only need it for work related stuff. I started off with Linux in a somewhat similar way - partitioned my main HDD to run Debian while my Windows install ran off the same 128 gig SSD I'd been using for years. When I fully swapped over I just ported a win10 IOT LSTC installation into a VM and its been working wonders for me so far.

If you want Windows for gaming or just as a regular daily driver, a partition or wholly separate drive is your best bet. GPU passthrough still feels like shit in VMs, I wouldn't recommend it. Guy above me answered why and how to set all that up more eloquently than I can. What I would recommend however is swapping from a base installation either to a debloated IOT LSTC version or tiny11. Having m*crosoft's bloated spyware sitting on your PC wholesale just doesn't sit right with me. Also:

If there is- whether it's something you do for work or family photos or whatever the fuck- the first thing you should do, whether you're going to install Linux or not, is to arrange to back things up. Copy the important stuff onto a hard drive or flash drive if you can. If you're the IT guy for your family, get something like Syncthing set up and get their important stuff synced one-way to your PC, and your important stuff synced one-way to their PC/s.

Always back your stuff up. If it is super high importance, having a redundant back up on a little flash drive can be a real life saver.

 

[GNU Abyss]

A gay slapfight is currently happening between Fedora and OBS Studio. The former has been repackaging existing Flatpaks as Fedora Flatpaks that take installation priority on their system, for the sake of security or something. OBS devs need to upgrade their Qt version, but the status on that is "it's done when it's done". Fedora updates it in their version, shit breaks, users complain upstream to OBS. Upon being told the IBM/Red Hat classic "maybe it's yooou who is the problem, bish", even legal threats (A) were issued:


No attempt to resolve the issue for users in the meantime was made in that or the other issue thread, beyond the initial noticing of complaints.

 

[Jang Joo]

Code...
Wait for it...
BERG. (Then again, the photo of a mountain is there, so codeberg may be "codehill").

"HAYTURD-ED", fuck off. I hate how every company is against "hate". Are they against the hatred of what is evil? No, they aren't. So they should STFU.

>use a smaller git platform to avoid faggot retardation
>look inside
>faggot retardation

 

[WielkiWapiesz2137]

Just host your own git like white man.

 

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Just host your own git like white man.

Real men submit patches over UUCP mail.

 

[ShitLurker]

Hello. Just coming inf with some random musings and questions.

So I did my first very timid step into Linux by installing an Ubuntu instance into a pen drive and running it from there. Wanted to see if my currently installed Steam library in other drives and from what I saw, none worked no matter the Proton version I fiddled with. I'm unsure if this is just to be expected due to the drives being formatted on NTFS and if I use clean drives formatted in FAT32 (is that the prefered form in Linux?) it would be a non issue. Aside from that, seemed pretty stupid proof with the weird app store though needing to run some installers through command line will require getting used to it.

I'm also looking into building a new rig, right now I am using NVidia for GPU, but my understanding is if I want to go on the Linux chuchu train I should go full AMD, is this right?

I've looked that there are more gaming focused distros like Fedora or Nobara, but I'm kind of overwhelmed with the options. My intent is mostly for gaming on Steam for the most part, but I do also run smaller game exes, pirate stuff and I do intend to also start doing development (still unsure on what, though my first idea is on Godot). I don't intend to fiddle with anything beyond fucking around with Wine/Proton to get some game to run properly.

I'll also probably have another backup drive with a windows 10 instance for situations where Linux is too much of a hassle.

Anyway, focusing my doubts. What distro should I aim for that would comply with my needs?

 

[TheDataHorder]

-snip-

>be obs
>make great software that uses older ui framework so it can work on more systems.
>make a flatpak version, allowing even more systems to run it.
>all is fine
>be fagdora
>ew, uses old ui framework. upgrade for muh security.
>break a bunch of things and release it
>don't fix what you broke.
>make your version the default on your distro and make it hard for people to get the official one.
>be obs again, people complain that your thing doesn't work.
>find out a downstream fork of your thing is terribly made and is portraying itself as the official version.
>wtf.png

i got bored, sue me.
in all seriousness, this was going to eventually happen. if a terrible copy of what you've worked tirelessly on, portrays itself as the official version and gives the original a bad name, you would be angry.
the only way a company will listen is via the threat of a law suit, hopefully this ends well and doesn't evolve into more drama (it will)

 

[dec05eba]

Hello. Just coming inf with some random musings and questions.

So I did my first very timid step into Linux by installing an Ubuntu instance into a pen drive and running it from there. Wanted to see if my currently installed Steam library in other drives and from what I saw, none worked no matter the Proton version I fiddled with. I'm unsure if this is just to be expected due to the drives being formatted on NTFS and if I use clean drives formatted in FAT32 (is that the prefered form in Linux?) it would be a non issue. Aside from that, seemed pretty stupid proof with the weird app store though needing to run some installers through command line will require getting used to it.

I'm also looking into building a new rig, right now I am using NVidia for GPU, but my understanding is if I want to go on the Linux chuchu train I should go full AMD, is this right?

I've looked that there are more gaming focused distros like Fedora or Nobara, but I'm kind of overwhelmed with the options. My intent is mostly for gaming on Steam for the most part, but I do also run smaller game exes, pirate stuff and I do intend to also start doing development (still unsure on what, though my first idea is on Godot). I don't intend to fiddle with anything beyond fucking around with Wine/Proton to get some game to run properly.

I'll also probably have another backup drive with a windows 10 instance for situations where Linux is too much of a hassle.

Anyway, focusing my doubts. What distro should I aim for that would comply with my needs?

I would avoid ubuntu since it uses "snap" for packages. There has previously (and currently?) been issues with that, including in steam that valve has reported. Yes, ntfs can cause issues although I dont know if that is the issue you had. There are many different file systems on linux but the most common one is called ext4 and it's the one most distros use by default. It's solid.

Nvidia is fine on linux. I don't know where the meme comes from that you should use amd instead. I have used both on linux and amd honestly has more issues than nvidia (just like on windows). You also cant use hdmi 2.1 with amd so if you want to use a high resolution high refresh rate monitor then it wont work properly (unless you use a displayport to hdmi adapter which breaks variable refresh rate and can cause some other issues).

I dont know about nobara since I haven't used it but I cant recommend fedora. It's not user friendly and they really dont want you to install proprietary nvidia things so you have to go out of your way through extra trouble to make nvidia drivers (and nvidia related technology such as cuda) work. Fedora also disables hardware accelerated video by default (h264, hevc and av1) on amd for video encoding/decoding which results in worse performance/higher power usage for anything related to video.

I personally recommend an arch based distro such as endeavourOS. This is good because the drivers are up to date so you get the best performance/compatibility/bug fixes for games for example. This is why Valve's SteamOS (used by the Steam Deck) is also arch based. Since you want to do development arch based distros are also the easiest for that.

 

[Betonhaus]

Anyway, focusing my doubts. What distro should I aim for that would comply with my needs?

Linux Mint. Fedora based systems have the problem where Fedora will repackage a broken version of an app and pretend it's the official upstream version. Ubuntu has snaps which are hated, but Linux Mint strips those out.

 

[ShitLurker]

Nvidia is fine on linux. I don't know where the meme comes from that you should use amd instead. I have used both on linux and amd honestly has more issues than nvidia (just like on windows). You also cant use hdmi 2.1 with amd so if you want to use a high resolution high refresh rate monitor then it wont work properly (unless you use a displayport to hdmi adapter which breaks variable refresh rate and can cause some other issues).

It's the sort of stuff I've just read here and there, that Nvidia doesn't really do drivers that play nice with Linux while AMD does. But I know dick about the topic.

I personally recommend an arch based distro such as endeavourOS. This is good because the drivers are up to date so you get the best performance/compatibility/bug fixes for games for example. This is why Valve's SteamOS (used by the Steam Deck) is also arch based. Since you want to do development arch based distros are also the easiest for that.

Linux Mint. Fedora based systems have the problem where Fedora will repackage a broken version of an app and pretend it's the official upstream version. Ubuntu has snaps which are hated, but Linux Mint strips those out.

Is it safe to assume that the Arch based distros are more oriented towards gaming while Mint is just a solid all use starting option?

Also, thank you both for the info.

 

[Frederica Bernkastel]

Is it safe to assume that the Arch based distros are more oriented towards gaming while Mint is just a solid all use starting option?

People use Arch-based distros because they are more up to date with features like NTSYNC to improve multi-core performance, and because they have newer kernels to support newer hardware. Mint is just a do and forget distro because it's not as up to date for stability purposes.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

More gay faggots being gay faggots.

Honestly I find this a bit white pilling. It's another one of these CoC loving troon/troon adjacent people. Removing themselves from working on the kernel. I hope more follow suit. It's great when you don't need a code of conduct to get rid of people you don't like. They just get rid of themselves because they're too deranged and politics brained to function with normal people.

Also a bit of rage bait in there just talking about her thing where she wanted a guy removed because he made a harmless reference to the "thin blue line".

Anyway. Linux chuds stay winning.

I just saw this one. I had to come back and add it.

The phrases long time no see, and no can do. Were considering racist. You can't make this shit up. Who the fuck is being racist when they say long time no see?

 

[Betonhaus]

The phrases long time no see, and no can do. Were considering racist. You can't make this shit up. Who the fuck is being racist when they say long time no see?

Liberals associate black people with "the help" who supposed to be treated as invisible so