The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

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prollyanotherlurker said:
I really have a hard time thinking of anything else where wanting an ancient binary to work is a more practical option than using something else.
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Off the top of my head:
  1. CNC machines
  2. Line-of-business software
  3. Anything that needs to deal with legacy file formats (you'll note what I screenshotted is almost entirely that from a vidyagames standpoint)
  4. Preferring an older UI that changed at some point
  5. You already paid for something and the newer stuff requires a subscription
prollyanotherlurker said:
And the file manager thing. I actually think this is the first time I've seen anyone complain about not being able to use a file manager on Linux. I know I've never had any problems with file managers, that's for sure. They just do their job. And there like 10 or more commonly used file managers to pick from. I feel like most people just find one of those they like, and use it and never think about it again.
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It's kind of a tangent but all Linux file managers are pretty annoying especially when you get into external drives (which require mount points) or network resources, plus they often have really bizarre UI paradigms layered in that some retard thought was cool like anytime you type a letter it starts searching, when in Windows & MacOS & even ChromeOS it just jumps the selected item to the file that starts with that letter. Mostly I do linux file operations from CLI though.

FWIW the comment was actually targeted at how retarded Windows 11's file explorer is.
 
Baraka Obama said:
Off the top of my head:
  1. CNC machines
  2. Line-of-business software
  3. Anything that needs to deal with legacy file formats (you'll note what I screenshotted is almost entirely that from a vidyagames standpoint)
  4. Preferring an older UI that changed at some point
  5. You already paid for something and the newer stuff requires a subscription
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That is exactly what I was talking about about when I said what I said right after it.

Things like that are generally probably going to be running on something just for doing those tasks. Since thats general all the computers that need those are going to be used for.

Well except 4 and 5. With 4. I feel like most people are just going to get over it. Or rice whatever else replaces it, to be like the old version of whatever they are using. But I've never been someone that is that upset about change.

And 5 maybe with adobe or something. But the people that give that money get what they deserve. Imo. Literally if people keep giving them money, they are going to keep doing the same thing.

Baraka Obama said:
It's kind of a tangent but all Linux file managers are pretty annoying especially when you get into external drives (which require mount points) or network resources, plus they often have really bizarre UI paradigms layered in that some retard thought was cool like anytime you type a letter it starts searching, when in Windows & MacOS & even ChromeOS it just jumps the selected item to the file that starts with that letter.
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The only reason I kept GUI file managers around for as long as I did before moving to managing files in the terminal, was because. To me at least the GUI file managers I used made handling mount points easy and I didn't have to think about it. I just had to click the device. Or I could even have it auto mount if I wanted.

The searching is really going to depend which file manager you are talking. About. Like I said there are a lot of them on Linux.
 
Nothing Is Written said:
Don't get me wrong: it's THE most beginner friendly Linux distro by far, but it's still GNU/Linux. Whatever culture shock a Mac user experiences porting over to Windows and vice-versa is nothing compared to porting over to Linux.
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Yeah, to some it probably seems like masochism but I actually like using Linux and that's why I use it personally. When I had to use Windows full time again due to school after a long stint of only using Linux I was miserable, despite how everything worked just fine for the most part.

I agree that people need to stop lying about Linux in ways that make casual users try it as a shoe-in replacement for Windows because whenever they do they end up with the strangest issues because they have no idea what the fuck they are doing nor any desire to learn how to do things differently. You can't really judge them for this when they were told that they didn't have to learn anything. I have never truly "switched" myself, I still got a separate SSD that I dual boot into with Windows 11. I tend to use whatever I feel like using that day, sometimes I like checking out what the pajeets did to Windows recently for a laugh or if I need to run some Linux hostile stuff. But most people don't want to do any of this shit, they just want to get a computor from the store and then go outside after they are done using it. No distro fits this casual usecase I think, and honestly they would probably do better with a Macbook than Windows or Linux. These types of users really just prefer to use their phone, something that I personally hate and is one of the many reasons I need a laptop because holy fuck, trying to do anything on the phone makes me feel like a grandpa as I never really got into them.

My most autistic sentiment is that if I could get a PDA (w/ keyboard) that could take & send messages with some minimal distro on it that also had a banking app I would literally just ditch my phone entirely, alas... *sigh*

Baraka Obama said:
FWIW the comment was actually targeted at how retarded Windows 11's file explorer is.
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I honestly like Dolphin and PCManFM, both for their own qualities. File management through CLI works well too though, esp with completion where you can get pretty quick with it. There is a better file manager for Windows called DOpus, but it costs money. It has actually innovated on the explorer in many ways, too many to include here. I haven't used it myself, found it one day while researching the Amiga. This program was actually originally made for that system and is used by many ex-Amiga users. It makes Microsoft's explorer look like a trial version of itself.
 
Akerman said:
The first thing I learned back in the day on Linux Mint which was my first distro was blacklisting GPU drivers on my Notebook in GRUB in order to force it to use amdgpu which is apparently an issue on older integrated Radeon GPUs defaulting to an old graphics driver instead of it. So yeah, not really beginner friendly if you run into issues but I have heard anecdotally from some people that Linux Mint tend to minimize a number of issues that happen on other distros, couldn't say if that is true though because I personally distrohopped away pretty quickly.
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Was "back in the day" last month or 1997?
 
I started out with Macs and later had to learn Windows and Linux, and Linux is by far the more intuitive of the two. Don’t underestimate Mac users, and don’t overestimate how supposedly user friendly Windows is just because it’s what you grew up with.
 
Susanna said:
I started out with Macs and later had to learn Windows and Linux, and Linux is by far the more intuitive of the two. Don’t underestimate Mac users, and don’t overestimate how supposedly user friendly Windows is just because it’s what you grew up with.
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There's a ubiquity aspect to it that disagrees with you. High 90s% of desktop users grew up with Windows (pre-smartphone supremacy), many concepts were pioneered with Windows in such a way that they feel so absolutely normal that it's another one of those "fish doesn't know water exists" situations. MacOS didn't even get context menus until Mac OS 8, long after Windows made them a staple, and didn't get a "right click" until 8.6 (late 1998 ) when USB mice became an option, and now both just feel right at home because Windows made them an expectation. Until very recently Macs were just special PCs under the covers, using conventions Microsoft built on top of IBM's legacy, and even their ARM PCs use many Windowsy conventions like enter key for return, F keys, even PCI express.
 
Baraka Obama said:
There's a ubiquity aspect to it that disagrees with you. High 90s% of desktop users grew up with Windows (pre-smartphone supremacy), many concepts were pioneered with Windows in such a way that they feel so absolutely normal that it's another one of those "fish doesn't know water exists" situations. MacOS didn't even get context menus until Mac OS 8, long after Windows made them a staple, and didn't get a "right click" until 8.6 (late 1998 ) when USB mice became an option, and now both just feel right at home because Windows made them an expectation. Until very recently Macs were just special PCs under the covers, using conventions Microsoft built on top of IBM's legacy, and even their ARM PCs use many Windowsy conventions like enter key for return, F keys, even PCI express.
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People were familiarised with Windows machines because that's what they used at work, and if Mac OS was used for business then that's what people would've bought. Windows 95 and such had a tutorial on first startup to teach people how to use the mouse.
 
Betonhaus said:
People were familiarised with Windows machines because that's what they used at work, and if Mac OS was used for business then that's what people would've bought. Windows 95 and such had a tutorial on first startup to teach people how to use the mouse.
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So did the Macintosh, though a decade before Windows 95 bothered to exist.
Bit of trivia, MS Solitaire is actually a mouse tutorial.
 
Susanna said:
I started out with Macs and later had to learn Windows and Linux, and Linux is by far the more intuitive of the two. Don’t underestimate Mac users, and don’t overestimate how supposedly user friendly Windows is just because it’s what you grew up with.
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Anyone who thinks Windows is "user-friendly" is fucking retarded. It is beyond user-adversarial and well into user-hostile.
 
Baraka Obama said:
all Linux file managers are pretty annoying especially when you get into external drives (which require mount points)
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Like... Mac OS X?

Leaving aside suggestions that grandma should use Arch AND LIKE IT, any Linux distribution that anyone sentient would recommend to/install for a non-technical newcomer handles all that shit automatically. Also exactly like Mac OS X
 
I started with Garuda because it looked pretty. Stuck it on a spare hdd, killed it, tried again. Never really looked back.

I was utterly clueless (still am). I guess dicking about with basic and dos as a kid helped because the terminal was never daunting. If a relative normie like myself can, anyone else can if they genuinely want to do it.
 
AnOminous said:
Anyone who thinks Windows is "user-friendly" is fucking retarded. It is beyond user-adversarial and well into user-hostile.
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Microsoft had a pretty decent product with Windows 7, of course its not perfect but it was pretty easy to use for all types of computer users.
The rot really set in with Windows 8 and Windows has just gone down the toilet since then. 11 is pretty bad but not bad enough for normal people to seriously consider alternatives... yet. I give it a few years until Windows becomes too Jeeted for most people to use.
Funny how Linux is quite popular in India.
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Akerman said:
There is a better file manager for Windows called DOpus, but it costs money. It has actually innovated on the explorer in many ways, too many to include here. I haven't used it myself, found it one day while researching the Amiga. This program was actually originally made for that system and is used by many ex-Amiga users. It makes Microsoft's explorer look like a trial version of itself.
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I decided to give DOpus a try as the Windows 11 Explorer (or as I prefer to call it, Windows Exploder) is absolutely horrible, It is such a breath of fresh air. Search results are instant, moving around and right clicking something doesn't have a lag like the stock Explorer, much more stable too and even takes over all functions of Explorer excluding the Open/Save dialogs, which is pretty good.
It not only BTFO's Explorer but also is a really good OFM too, not quite as good as Total Commander but still works great, and beats any other OFM I tried. The license cost is a bit steep in my opinion, but the cheap upgrade cost is worth it, as well as being perpetual.
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YoRHa No. 2 Type B said:
I decided to give DOpus a try as the Windows 11 Explorer (or as I prefer to call it, Windows Exploder) is absolutely horrible, It is such a breath of fresh air. Search results are instant, moving around and right clicking something doesn't have a lag like the stock Explorer, much more stable too and even takes over all functions of Explorer excluding the Open/Save dialogs, which is pretty good.
It not only BTFO's Explorer but also is a really good OFM too, not quite as good as Total Commander but still works great, and beats any other OFM I tried. The license cost is a bit steep in my opinion, but the cheap upgrade cost is worth it, as well as being perpetual.
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Don't cry if DOpus makes it a subscription instead.
 
Battlefield42 said:
Don't cry if DOpus makes it a subscription instead.
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Seems to be the fate of all commercial software these days to eventually go subscription unfortunately.
Microsoft has just released Windows 365 which is a subscription service to use a cloud Windows instance, this is very likely the future of computing.
If that happens I will probably go back to Linux, despite its faults I shouldn't need to pay a monthly subscription to use my machine, what a terrible concept.
Thankfully its easy to sail the seven seas or find an alternative when a program goes into the shitter.
I do like to support developers that do the right thing by not using a subscription or at least keeping a perpetual version around.
Seems to be good for now but maybe not in the future.
 
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