The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[GNU Abyss]

But a DE deciding to basically marry itself to any runit is so fucking dumb. And it seems to be mostly because of laziness too. Were the anti-systemd conspiratards right all along?

IBM/Redhat wants to be the only game in town when it comes to providing a usable Linux desktop environment. That's the streamlined, homogeneous experience bullshit people like hyping up. The only way to force that in an ecosystem that values being able to pick and choose your own parts is to remove the choice entirely. It's for your own good, user, the magnanimous clique of tranny devs declared it to be so.

Considering RH is also a US government contractor, there's a non-zero chance that some thread participants' tax dollars are funding the rot and subversion of their computer's OS.

 

[Friedrich Hayek's Ghost]

LibreOffice basically does everything MS Office can and I think it comes on a lot of a distros.

LibreOffice is great, but Calc has slightly different formulas to Excel and the UI is just different enough to be a bit annoying if you're used to Microsoft Office. OnlyOffice is close enough in UI that I'm surprised Microsoft hasn't sued over it, and I think the way their spreadsheet program works is closer to 1:1 with Excel.

They're both solid, but I think OnlyOffice would be less aggravating for a newbie.

 

[Slav Power]

This could be a schizopost, tbf. I mean didn't the maintainer of this project have some spat with Louis Rossman where he acted like a complete paranoid scizhophrenic? He sounded like a lolcow obsessing about his haders behind every corner. - So take it with a grain of salt and all that, if true it's massive, though.

*taps the sign again*

 

[WhiteNight]

According to this Android fork they have recieved information suggesting that Google might be closing up Android:

There are discussions on both Reddit and Hacker News about these claims, and the conclusion in both cases is that they are not true. Google does seem to be closing some of their mobile code, but not the Android operating system.

Hacker News: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44254540
Reddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/StallmanWasRight/comments/1l8rhon/aosp_project_is_coming_to_an_end/

Here is an official denial:

https://x.com/seangchau/status/1933029688202703062

We're seeing some speculation that AOSP is being discontinued. To be clear, AOSP is NOT going away. AOSP was built on the foundation of being an open platform for device implementations, SoC vendors, and instruction set architectures.

AOSP needs a reference target that is flexible, configurable, and affordable – independent of any particular hardware, including those from Google. For years, developers have been building Cuttlefish (available on GitHub as the reference device for AOSP) and GSI targets from source. We continue to make those available for testing and development purposes.

 

[Max Weber]

https://blogs.gnome.org/adrianvovk/2025/06/10/gnome-systemd-dependencies/

https://archive.is/ThW3N

According to this Android fork they have recieved information suggesting that Google might be closing up Android:

They have a thread about this on their Mastodon instance: https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114670995130379882 (archive)
While the individual pieces are mostly sound, the way it's written reads like a schizopost. They even mention wanting to jump from Pixels (the only hardware they support) to a crowdfunded phone that will adhere to their security spec.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

I can see the growing attachment to systemd for GNOME causing its total exclusion from strictly non-systemd distributions as well as away from the BSDs. Good.

 

[Croco]

Is python really the defacto Unix system administration language now? The gold standard? I want a 'smart' file system automation script going on. It seems like an excuse to use common lisp + slime, but that might be autism.

 

[Slav Power]

Is python really the defacto Unix system administration language now? The gold standard? I want a 'smart' file system automation script going on. It seems like an excuse to use common lisp + slime, but that might be autism.

Commit heresy.

Use Powershell 7.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

Couldn't tell you, haven't use Linux properly since 2012. And it's my first time using FreeBSD.

Exactly. That was my whole point. That Linux is a lot more usable overall than it was in 2012. Things tend to just work. Most distros are easier to install. There is less troubleshooting that goes into it. There is a big ecosystem built up around it.

And at least for me. I went from being used to that. To freebsd. And it was really noticable how much I was missing by going to it from Linux.

Unrelated. I just wanted to share this. A lot of good information in this. Goes over why Linux ended up going with the monolithic kernel model (much better performance), some things about how rust is being implemented. How they use c. And a lot of other stuff.

 

[Kosher Dill]

LibreOffice is great, but Calc has slightly different formulas to Excel and the UI is just different enough to be a bit annoying if you're used to Microsoft Office. OnlyOffice is close enough in UI that I'm surprised Microsoft hasn't sued over it, and I think the way their spreadsheet program works is closer to 1:1 with Excel.

The biggest issue with LibreOffice Calc is that its numerical solver/goal-seek is substantially inferior to the one in Excel. It's not hard to come up with a sheet that works in Excel but gives "no solution found" in Calc if you're numerically "reversing" common formulas.
I still use Calc for most spreadsheeting, but I do have to keep a copy of Excel lying around for those cases where you need a better solver.

 

[Ferryman]

Considering RH is also a US government contractor, there's a non-zero chance that some thread participants' tax dollars are funding the rot and subversion of their computer's OS.

Gnome marrying to Wayland literally 3 days after the X incident is no coincidence, neither is how hard they have been trying to censor my boy Enrico. I truly despise systemd and all of its proponents. Red Hat is the single most niggerlicious entity in the computing world, because unlike Microsoft or Apple, who are honest about their data harvesting and complete disregard for user freedom, Red Hat is this subversive cancer that creeps into every single facet of Linux, trying to get its tumors everywhere and in everything. It isn't enough to use a "systemd free" distro anymore, you actively have to hunt down and blacklist this shit's dependencies. https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/ seems to be keeping a good tally of which OSes really do abstain from using any sysd niggerware, for those going distro shopping.

 

[Vesperus]

Introducing stronger dependencies on systemd

So, how long before we get systemd re-written in rust and made the default for everything?

I should see if my Amiga 500 still boots, I might need it soon.

 

[Susanna]

I should see if my Amiga 500 still boots, I might need it soon.

You could just not install updates. Linux allows this.

 

[Betonhaus]

LibreOffice is great, but Calc has slightly different formulas to Excel and the UI is just different enough to be a bit annoying if you're used to Microsoft Office. OnlyOffice is close enough in UI that I'm surprised Microsoft hasn't sued over it, and I think the way their spreadsheet program works is closer to 1:1 with Excel.

They're both solid, but I think OnlyOffice would be less aggravating for a newbie.

I'm only aware of Zorin OS offering OnlyOffice as an option at install which is sad.

 

[Vesperus]

You could just not install updates. Linux allows this.

Where's the fun in that?

 

[analrapist]

Fucking footniggers boutta make me set up a Musl/S6 sanity installation and use Flatpak as an isolation chamber for their AIDS-infested garbage. My goodness. And I'm Mister USE="-flatpak -wayland" over here

 

[Ferryman]

Fucking footniggers boutta make me set up a Musl/S6 sanity installation and use Flatpak as an isolation chamber for their AIDS-infested garbage. My goodness. And I'm Mister USE="-flatpak -wayland" over here

I shed a tear for all the compilation time come and gone. Artix/Antix seem like they're the most robust and well maintained systemd-free distros around right now. Never used Arch myself but I'll be trying Artix out on a separate drive for ~2 weeks starting tomorrow. Antix is just debian de-niggered so I doubt there's too much to see there. The Artix chuddies sold me on trying'em out when they sprung up XLibre support within like a day of the drama starting. That, and their FAQ is pretty heckin' based:



Edit: Turns out Artix does technically ship with elogind and dbus by default, but I'm thinking I just purge those and run seatd + DWM instead. Noooo, I will not use any systemd niggerware, Artoo stalker child! Enjoy systemdson.

 

[Friedrich Hayek's Ghost]

I'm only aware of Zorin OS offering OnlyOffice as an option at install which is sad.

I want to say Elementary does, too, but Zorin and Elementary are both pretty niche in terms of target audience.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

I've tried Antix out and from the live ISO environment my monitors built-in speakers are retarded with the straight up ALSA environment, so I'll have to go with Pipewire whenever I get to hopping again...

 

[GNU Abyss]

Gnome marrying to Wayland literally 3 days after the X incident is no coincidence, neither is how hard they have been trying to censor my boy Enrico. I truly despise systemd and all of its proponents. Red Hat is the single most niggerlicious entity in the computing world, because unlike Microsoft or Apple, who are honest about their data harvesting and complete disregard for user freedom, Red Hat is this subversive cancer that creeps into every single facet of Linux, trying to get its tumors everywhere and in everything. It isn't enough to use a "systemd free" distro anymore, you actively have to hunt down and blacklist this shit's dependencies. https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/ seems to be keeping a good tally of which OSes really do abstain from using any sysd niggerware, for those going distro shopping.

The browsers are the hardest GTK dependency that people tend to have installed. I really hope de-GNOME becomes a think just like de-Google and Firefox gets the treatment. It's just the browser's interface and file picker mostly, surely it can't be that hard?