The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[Max Weber]

Tried to take a look at Devuan mailing lists to see if there was any discussion of xlibre, and the consensus more or less is that Enrico is a sperg, GH comments are astroturfed, and anyone who willingly puts their repo on "M$ GitHub" is automatically not worth being taken seriously. - https://marc.info/?l=dng&m=174959686918425&w=2, continued in https://marc.info/?t=174966989200001&r=1&w=2
The highlight, though, was this message - https://marc.info/?l=dng&m=174961881529734&w=2

..he may have some weird politics, sooo, ;o) I'll share my own
reasoning for joining that new humanoid(?) race: His Excellency
the Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has long been
credibly accused of corruption and credibly accused of clinging
to power to stay out of prison.
To win re-election 5 years ago at the onset of the COVID epidemic,
he basically first raided Pfizer–BioNTech and then Moderna for
enough mRNA-based vaccines to get enough voters safely past the
elections so they could vote to keep him out of prison... which
is why he would have to choose the safest vaccine he at that time
could find to carry on staying out of prison... which again is how
I arrived at my conclusion to join that new humanoid(?) race ;oD
(we got the same stuff here in Norway).

Completely unprompted. Not sure what he's trying to say here, nor why is it relevant.

 

[Zeftax]

anyone who willingly puts their repo on "M$ GitHub" is automatically not worth being taken seriously.

Correct. I never understood why do so many OS projects jump to the wolf in sheeps clothing that is Github...

 

[volatile puar]

Correct. I never understood why do so many OS projects jump to the wolf in sheeps clothing that is Github...

You might as well ask why there are Youtubers that talk about privacy or try to push the envelope of bannable topics. Simply put, Github is very popular and people are familiar with it. What are you even afraid of, it will be slightly easier for Microsoft to train their AI because they don't need to use an API scraper?

 

[Toilet Paper]

Correct. I never understood why do so many OS projects jump to the wolf in sheeps clothing that is Github...

The same reason people use Discord, Twitter and YouTube. It's free and it has the largest userbase. It's the easiest to set up and the easiest to contribute to. They want the recognition that someone maintaining some vital piece of software tucked away in a small, generally inaccessible corner of the internet will not get. So they rebase on GitHub where they can feel good about their follower count and their stars increasing. They can then put that retarded widget which scores them on their profile. Setting up a Gitea/GitLab/stagit instance, or a mailing list requires both effort and maintenance and has practically zero returns. People aren't willing to do it anymore.

You might as well ask why there are Youtubers that talk about privacy or try to push the envelope of bannable topics. Simply put, Github is very popular and people are familiar with it. What are you even afraid of, it will be slightly easier for Microsoft to train their AI because they don't need to use an API scraper?

I'm not putting it past Microsoft to remove the repository. At any time they can point at the Community Guidelines and nuke it.

 

[volatile puar]

I'm not putting it past Microsoft to remove the repository. At any time they can point at the Community Guidelines and nuke it.

Any developer should have a local copy of their git history that they can put on Gitea or Bitbucket or whatever whenever they want, so even this isn't a concern unless you're running a high risk project eg you're using +nigger or something.

 

[Betonhaus]

Correct. I never understood why do so many OS projects jump to the wolf in sheeps clothing that is Github...

problably because Microsoft talkes a more hands off approach and won't completly ban you from the platform for wrongthink, or even radical rightthink.

at the bare minimum it's a lot more public, which is necessary when you are trying to attract more core devs. once enough core devs join they can problably move to some obscure mailing list but that will still hide the project and force it to stagnate.

 

[Max Weber]

Any developer should have a local copy of their git history that they can put on Gitea or Bitbucket or whatever whenever they want, so even this isn't a concern unless you're running a high risk project eg you're using +nigger or something.

Ideally, even if you host the main repo somewhere else, you want to have a read-only GitHub mirror that links back to you simply for discoverability. Because that's the place people will go to search for it, unless you can hit 1st page on Google otherwise (you can't).

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

Brodie pretty much dismisses any criticism of SystemD, Wayland, RedHat (except for that scandal of closing the source of RHLE). It strikes me as one of those atheists/progressives trying to fact check or be contrarian to what I say. He even quoted guys like Hector Martin, Drew DeVault. This guy is IMO not as woke as many Linux devs, but he is safe and toes the line. But I like that he praises Vaxry and his Hyperland project.

I tend to get the feeling, he is a lot less neutral than he gives off. If you watch his videos over time, and see what he chooses to discuss. And the way he dismisses things. I think he just isn't a completely spurg/retard like a lot of the super progressives. He's actually careful in what he says. And the ideas he pushes. Which is something he's basically said in the past in one of his videos. He's got so many finding it would be a pain. But he eludes to it being his intention that people not know what he believes.

Actually I might have linked in this thread now that I think about it. Because I think he mentioned people raging because he talked to a tranny or something. Not sure.

Antix Linux

I mean, Antix iirc isn't just left leaning. From what I remember they are full on antifa.

Personally I really wouldn't care, at least it has no effect on if I use it or not. But for people that do. They are about as left leaning as a project can possibly be.



All the quotes I would do from here are a page back. But on the DEI stuff in the readme.

I still think it overall is a bad move. You can say, it's keeping the retard trannies out. But in the end if good developers aren't willing to contribute. It's going to be an overall detriment to the project. When he could have just started it. Took code from people. And if they end up being retard trannies that fuck things up, ban them from contributing.
Now it gives ammo to Red Hat/IBM and it's tranny dick sucking contributors. To give anyone shit for contributing. For distros officially adopting it. And people talking about retarded identity politics instead of things that actually matter.

Not saying it's going to kill the project alone. But it's an obviously bad move to start something that would need wide adoption across linux to make a real difference, that is already going up against IBM with that attached to it from the beginning.

 

[Ferryman]

I still think it overall is a bad move. You can say, it's keeping the retard trannies out. But in the end if good developers aren't willing to contribute. It's going to be an overall detriment to the project. When he could have just started it. Took code from people. And if they end up being retard trannies that fuck things up, ban them from contributing.
Now it gives ammo to Red Hat/IBM and it's tranny dick sucking contributors. To give anyone shit for contributing. For distros officially adopting it. And people talking about retarded identity politics instead of things that actually matter.

Not saying it's going to kill the project alone. But it's an obviously bad move to start something that would need wide adoption across linux to make a real difference, that is already going up against IBM with that attached to it from the beginning.

I'm inclined to agree, to an extent. I think it was purposefully done to incite groups like the Artix Linux people into taking his side, which to his credit, definitely worked. It's a double edged sword. On one hand it gives him a ' he can get active, dedicated support, while on the other it might alienate people who would otherwise be supportive if not for his whole anti-DEI spiel. I certainly support it. Fuck Red Hat and fuck IBM, compromise is the first nail in the coffin, so the more unabashed and loud people are against them, the better. Plus, I think the project will see slow burn support from even people like Devuan, FreeBSD and Antix (once they get properly buck broken) since X11 is effectively dead in the water.

 

[volatile puar]

Thought I would share MattKC's solution to multi-monitor headache's here: just use an ultra-wide monitor as if it was 3 monitors.

 

[Hieronymus Lex]

All the quotes I would do from here are a page back. But on the DEI stuff in the readme.

I still think it overall is a bad move. You can say, it's keeping the retard trannies out. But in the end if good developers aren't willing to contribute. It's going to be an overall detriment to the project. When he could have just started it. Took code from people. And if they end up being retard trannies that fuck things up, ban them from contributing.
Now it gives ammo to Red Hat/IBM and it's tranny dick sucking contributors. To give anyone shit for contributing. For distros officially adopting it. And people talking about retarded identity politics instead of things that actually matter.

As if they don't ostracize and alienate people with their "Code of Conducts". Ironically, that anti-DEI thing in the README is sort of a Code of Conduct itself, though clearly different in nature compared to the tranny-written """Contributor Covenant""" which serves only to purge whoever they see as "Nazis" and "facists".

I'm inclined to agree, to an extent. I think it was purposefully done to incite groups like the Artix Linux people into taking his side, which to his credit, definitely worked. It's a double edged sword. On one hand it gives him a ' he can get active, dedicated support, while on the other it might alienate people who would otherwise be supportive if not for his whole anti-DEI spiel. I certainly support it.

Personally I'm alienated by projects which adopt Code of Conducts like the """Contributor Covenant""" but that might just be me.

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

Recently got a new all AMD build and holy shit is the linux experience is leaps and bounds better. Anyone that says that using an nvidia card is fine does not know what they're talking about. Using Kubuntu with wayland and everything is fine.

 

[i440BX]

Recently got a new all AMD build and holy shit is the linux experience is leaps and bounds better. Anyone that says that using an nvidia card is fine does not know what they're talking about. Using Kubuntu with wayland and everything is fine.

Nvidia is needed if you work with CUDA applications like PyTorch. I wish AMD was able to have a CUDA equivalent.

 

[Slav Power]

I wish AMD was able to have a CUDA equivalent.

ROCm will be viable on the same day Wayland becomes viable.

 

[Hellwalker]

Recently got a new all AMD build and holy shit is the linux experience is leaps and bounds better. Anyone that says that using an nvidia card is fine does not know what they're talking about. Using Kubuntu with wayland and everything is fine.

What did you notice that's better? I ran Wayland on KDE with a Nvidia GPU and nothing was horrific for me.

 

[Retard Marine]

If it's not Enrico who succeeds, someone will step up and keep Xorg from completely shriveling up and dying.

Maybe uncle Theo will save us all:

The thing is he isn't alone in this fork

If he doesn't have too much of an ego he might always even step down as the leader/maintainer of XLibre if someone better comes along.

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

What did you notice that's better? I ran Wayland on KDE with a Nvidia GPU and nothing was horrific for me.

The past 2 times I tried Linux (Mint and Kubuntu mainly) I could not get youtube videos to run properly on either Brave or Librewolf and I had issues with some games in my steam library. Beyond that the whole experience felt poor. Movie windows would be stuttery and choppy. Issues at boot and scaling looking like dogshit (Vision issues so i have to bump it up)

Now, windows are snappy and fluid and the few games I have tried play fine. I'm more comfortable moving over in October.

 

[i440BX]

What did you notice that's better? I ran Wayland on KDE with a Nvidia GPU and nothing was horrific for me.

Did you try running Nvidia-Prime on a optimus laptop?
Indeed Wayland works on a Nvidia card in a desktop, but Wayland removed some features I find good. For example screensavers if I want to use CRTs or OLED.

To be fair, I don't hate Hyperland, I am ok with other people using it, but don't force me to switch to it.

 

[Vesperus]

But in the end if good developers aren't willing to contribute

That's true, but are you sure that's what going to happen? People are waking up to the idea that troons aren't terribly sane, and that if you get put on blast for saying "Nigger" you can collect a fat wedge of cash. You can say "No" to this horseshit.
I think most contributors don't care one way or the other: They just want to code to make things a bit better, and if they can do that without wasting time on some purity test, swearing fealty to black trans lesbians from Palestine, then that's more time peering at the code.
If Canonical want to fuck around re-writing the kernel in rust so it it displays the pride flag on every boot then let them. Everyone else can get on with useful stuff.

 

[Hellwalker]

The past 2 times I tried Linux (Mint and Kubuntu mainly) I could not get youtube videos to run properly on either Brave or Librewolf and I had issues with some games in my steam library. Beyond that the whole experience felt poor. Movie windows would be stuttery and choppy. Issues at boot and scaling looking like dogshit (Vision issues so i have to bump it up)

Now, windows are snappy and fluid and the few games I have tried play fine. I'm more comfortable moving over in October.

It's so weird seeing people have issues with Nvida while I'm here just fine, not experiencing anything wrong.

Did you try running Nvidia-Prime on a optimus laptop?
Indeed Wayland works on a Nvidia card in a desktop, but Wayland removed some features I find good. For example screensavers if I want to use CRTs or OLED.

To be fair, I don't hate Hyperland, I am ok with other people using it, but don't force me to switch to it.

My first experience with Wayland was accidently using it on a new KDE Plasma installation. Before, I would use Xorg only, not because of philosophical reasons, but because I thought Wayland was some esoteric technology that required specific knowledge about Linux or whatever (I was/still am a Linux noob. No bully, plz).

Wayland actually solved a lot stuttering I was experiencing with Linux, which was a big issue for me on Linux. Everything felt so smooth and responsive compared to Xorg.

I tried Xorg on Plasma again to see if the stuttering/responsiveness issues I was experiencing was just me making shit up, but it wasn't. It was all still there, just like how I remembered it. I don't know if issues on Xorg that get fixed with Wayland is an Nvida exclusive but, even if it is, I'm still gonna use it because it's the best for me and I don't care about philosphical reasons.