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So if I had two drives and 1 with windows installed and the other was completely fresh drive that I wanted to install linux on, for example mint Would grub be installed on the drive with windows efi partition?
Generally, yes. It's not "the windows efi partition" it's just "the efi partition". As I recall Windows does the same if you do it the other way.
The installer should allow you to tell it to create a new one on the new disk and not use the existing one but I've never used Mint's installer.
 
Huh. If I switch from Windows to Linux too quickly, my wifi doesn't work for some reason.
 
Something must be very wrong with how that particular service is written. Even twenty years ago Linux didn't take over a minute to boot.
You could technically cause that kind of fuckup by manually setting up your network configuration in a way that depended on a network that wasn't there, back in the day.

Of course... when you're looking at a proper sysvinit console log, or even openrc on Gentoo back in the day, it only takes a few incidences of that happening for you to not only be angry, but ACTUALLY HAVE SOME USEFUL INFORMATION TO DIAGNOSE THE PROBLEM WITH. Not the case with poorly designed systemd crap nowadays.
 
Running a custom kernel is probably the best way to get plenty of kernel panics, in particular when you're new to customizing the kernel and check off every option and module that you consider superfluous because you think it makes your computer use less memory and run faster.
follow the guides on the gentoo wiki, and you'll be in pretty good condition most likely. Really I didn't run into any problems, until I pretty aggressively started trying to cut out stuff. Eventually I would disable something rebuild, and not be able to boot. Unless you are doing that kind of stuff, you will probably be fine.

So if I had two drives and 1 with windows installed and the other was completely fresh drive that I wanted to install linux on, for example mint Would grub be installed on the drive with windows efi partition?
If you get 2 drives, which is the only way I recommend dual booting. On the linux drive, just partition it like normal. So if you do a guid partition table. make the efi partition, and the root (or however you want to partition it), install grub. Do the normal grub setup, on that disk. then you just install os-prober, enable that in the grub config. the do sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg and it will automatically detect other bootable drives and add them to the boot menu.

with that set up. you should be able to just set up the linux drive in the efi as the default drive to boot, or use efibootmgr and select it that way. And you can choose which os you want to boot from with that.

I have never dual booted with windows, so someone can correct me if it won't work like it does with other unix systems. But it works perfectly with multiple linux drives at least.
Sure but there are tons of them like that out there. Just the nature of the ecosystem.

Caveat services emptor Linuxbros!
I've literally never had a 2 minute boot with linux. The number of services hasn't even made a big difference in my boot times on linux. More than maybe at most a couple seconds if I have something a bit more complex set up. And a couple seconds is on the high side. Most of the time, the init system isn't even the longest part of booting. It's the bios, then the kernel (at least with the normal default precompiled kernels distros ship) that takes up most of the time. Then the init just fliest by. Because at least now days, most init systems are pretty heavily parallelized (except openrc by default, but you can change that).

The only thing I've had hang, was shutting down. Sometimes a program won't react properly to the signal it gets, and the system will wait about 90 seconds before sending it sigkill, if you don't change the defaults at least.

All that is to say. If you have your system taking 2 minutes to boot, you might want to look into what is going on. Because that isn't a normal linux thing.
 
Is it true that if you use a dual boot system with linux and windows on one drive that a windows update could possibly corrupt grub?
I had nothing but issues trying to dual boot windows and linux from the same drive. I would wake up and the linux bootloader would just be gone because apparently windows doesn't like to share.

Things are much better now that they both have separate drives. I've got my linux drive set to default and it gives me an option for which operating system I want to boot into each time I turn on my PC. Very convenient because unfortunately I do still need windows occasionally.
 
I had nothing but issues trying to dual boot windows and linux from the same drive. I would wake up and the linux bootloader would just be gone because apparently windows doesn't like to share.

Things are much better now that they both have separate drives. I've got my linux drive set to default and it gives me an option for which operating system I want to boot into each time I turn on my PC. Very convenient because unfortunately I do still need windows occasionally.
are you using mbr or efi? If you open disk management or gdisk is there a 100ish mb fat partition?
 
are you using mbr or efi? If you open disk management or gdisk is there a 100ish mb fat partition?
This was in the past when I first tried linux. I have everything on two separate drives now. I'm still fairly new to all this so I don't really understand what those terms mean, sorry :(
 
I had nothing but issues trying to dual boot windows and linux from the same drive. I would wake up and the linux bootloader would just be gone because apparently windows doesn't like to share.
One way around this used to be to chain from the windows bootloader to grub, so windows wouldn't get snippy at you. I had a machine set up like that for a long time, until I realised I wasn't ever booting into the windows partition and decided to just nuke the whole thing.
 
Man, Linux has gotten a lot better since I was a teenager. Though I guess that shouldn't be too surprising.

That said, I haven't really done any gaming on it yet. If my gpu (3060 ti) has issues with some shitty little idle game, I'm worried how it'll react to something like Elden Ring.
 
Man, Linux has gotten a lot better since I was a teenager. Though I guess that shouldn't be too surprising.

That said, I haven't really done any gaming on it yet. If my gpu (3060 ti) has issues with some shitty little idle game, I'm worried how it'll react to something like Elden Ring.
It really has. I'm still a novice to Linux, and I just installed Linux Mint on my laptop a work the other night, this past night I finally set it up properly. I got Wine and Lutris on it, used Sonic Heroes as a test since I had the torrent file handy, and it works better on Linux than it does on Windows.
 
I don't think I've ever heard about people having problems with dual booting different Linux distros, or Linux and BSD, or Linux and Mac. I've never heard anyone complain that Linux wiped out their Windows partition either.
It's not common, and it's much less common nowadays, but it has happened on occasion to enough people that I hear about it once in a while, and I think it happened to me once or twice way back when.
 
With EFI there's less reason than ever to lose access to Linux. If you've got a well-configured UBI, you can boot into Linux from both your EFI setup interface and from Grub. When you can boot Linux from the EFI "BIOS" screen, Windows has absolutely zero potential to ruin your boot config.
 
Huh. If I switch from Windows to Linux too quickly, my wifi doesn't work for some reason.
"That's probably just something you did to anger God." -Master Shake

I've literally never had a 2 minute boot with linux. The number of services hasn't even made a big difference in my boot times on linux. More than maybe at most a couple seconds if I have something a bit more complex set up. And a couple seconds is on the high side. Most of the time, the init system isn't even the longest part of booting. It's the bios, then the kernel (at least with the normal default precompiled kernels distros ship) that takes up most of the time. Then the init just fliest by. Because at least now days, most init systems are pretty heavily parallelized (except openrc by default, but you can change that).

The only thing I've had hang, was shutting down. Sometimes a program won't react properly to the signal it gets, and the system will wait about 90 seconds before sending it sigkill, if you don't change the defaults at least.

All that is to say. If you have your system taking 2 minutes to boot, you might want to look into what is going on. Because that isn't a normal linux thing.
Yep. The slowest part of booting that I have ever run into is either waiting for BIOS or waiting for a DE to start. I have never had a 2 minute boot even on ancient hardware, and I always use a bloated kernel with a shit ton of firmware so I can swap my drives easily.

I don't see any point in "trimming" the kernel on modern hardware except in special use situations but then again I am a retarded sperg.

Man, I miss Knoppix. I remember fucking around in it with Aptitude, just ripping out crucial dependcies to see what happened, finally getting hammered with a segmentation fault or something...then switching to another VT, log in, restartx and start fucking shit up again. Babby's first sandbox. :lol:
 
Has anyone here tried using any Linux distro with ZFS? I'm considering installing Artix Linux on my PC with three SSDs in it, and I'm deciding if I should go for ZFS with RAID-Z1 or stick to LVM and spread the installation across the three drives.
 
Has anyone here tried using any Linux distro with ZFS? I'm considering installing Artix Linux on my PC with three SSDs in it, and I'm deciding if I should go for ZFS with RAID-Z1 or stick to LVM and spread the installation across the three drives.
I use ZFS on Gentoo machines and one Void machine as well. I use ZFSBootMenu instead of Grub. It sits in EFI and you can use it for full disk encryption. It has a better password prompt and unlocks disks a lot faster than Grub/LUKS (it uses a Linux kernel, for the bootloader, so you get access to harder decryption very early). I just keep eveything in one zroot pool that is split into zroot/ROOT/gentoo, zroot/home, zoot/var (on Gentoo, make sure zfs-mount is added to the boot runlevel so all the volumes mount correctly).

The ZFSBootmenu docs are decent, but you still gotta know what you're doing. It's pretty nice though. Snapshots are great for backups.

EDIT: I like how we're on page 686 of this thread, a nickname for the first Pentiums IIs.
 
Has anyone here tried using any Linux distro with ZFS? I'm considering installing Artix Linux on my PC with three SSDs in it, and I'm deciding if I should go for ZFS with RAID-Z1 or stick to LVM and spread the installation across the three drives.
What size? I would not recommend Z1 for large drives (like >1TB or so) from the same batch.

The problem is that rebuilds take forever for large drives and drives manufactured together tend to fail together.
 
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