The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

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They were once men said:
Is it true that if you use a dual boot system with linux and windows on one drive that a windows update could possibly corrupt grub?
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I had nothing but issues trying to dual boot windows and linux from the same drive. I would wake up and the linux bootloader would just be gone because apparently windows doesn't like to share.

Things are much better now that they both have separate drives. I've got my linux drive set to default and it gives me an option for which operating system I want to boot into each time I turn on my PC. Very convenient because unfortunately I do still need windows occasionally.
 
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Sugriva said:
I had nothing but issues trying to dual boot windows and linux from the same drive. I would wake up and the linux bootloader would just be gone because apparently windows doesn't like to share.

Things are much better now that they both have separate drives. I've got my linux drive set to default and it gives me an option for which operating system I want to boot into each time I turn on my PC. Very convenient because unfortunately I do still need windows occasionally.
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are you using mbr or efi? If you open disk management or gdisk is there a 100ish mb fat partition?
 
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Sugriva said:
I had nothing but issues trying to dual boot windows and linux from the same drive. I would wake up and the linux bootloader would just be gone because apparently windows doesn't like to share.
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One way around this used to be to chain from the windows bootloader to grub, so windows wouldn't get snippy at you. I had a machine set up like that for a long time, until I realised I wasn't ever booting into the windows partition and decided to just nuke the whole thing.
 
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Man, Linux has gotten a lot better since I was a teenager. Though I guess that shouldn't be too surprising.

That said, I haven't really done any gaming on it yet. If my gpu (3060 ti) has issues with some shitty little idle game, I'm worried how it'll react to something like Elden Ring.
 
Banana Hammock said:
Man, Linux has gotten a lot better since I was a teenager. Though I guess that shouldn't be too surprising.

That said, I haven't really done any gaming on it yet. If my gpu (3060 ti) has issues with some shitty little idle game, I'm worried how it'll react to something like Elden Ring.
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It really has. I'm still a novice to Linux, and I just installed Linux Mint on my laptop a work the other night, this past night I finally set it up properly. I got Wine and Lutris on it, used Sonic Heroes as a test since I had the torrent file handy, and it works better on Linux than it does on Windows.
 
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I don't think I've ever heard about people having problems with dual booting different Linux distros, or Linux and BSD, or Linux and Mac. I've never heard anyone complain that Linux wiped out their Windows partition either.
 
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volatile puar said:
I don't think I've ever heard about people having problems with dual booting different Linux distros, or Linux and BSD, or Linux and Mac. I've never heard anyone complain that Linux wiped out their Windows partition either.
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It's not common, and it's much less common nowadays, but it has happened on occasion to enough people that I hear about it once in a while, and I think it happened to me once or twice way back when.
 
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With EFI there's less reason than ever to lose access to Linux. If you've got a well-configured UBI, you can boot into Linux from both your EFI setup interface and from Grub. When you can boot Linux from the EFI "BIOS" screen, Windows has absolutely zero potential to ruin your boot config.
 
Banana Hammock said:
Huh. If I switch from Windows to Linux too quickly, my wifi doesn't work for some reason.
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"That's probably just something you did to anger God." -Master Shake

prollyanotherlurker said:
I've literally never had a 2 minute boot with linux. The number of services hasn't even made a big difference in my boot times on linux. More than maybe at most a couple seconds if I have something a bit more complex set up. And a couple seconds is on the high side. Most of the time, the init system isn't even the longest part of booting. It's the bios, then the kernel (at least with the normal default precompiled kernels distros ship) that takes up most of the time. Then the init just fliest by. Because at least now days, most init systems are pretty heavily parallelized (except openrc by default, but you can change that).

The only thing I've had hang, was shutting down. Sometimes a program won't react properly to the signal it gets, and the system will wait about 90 seconds before sending it sigkill, if you don't change the defaults at least.

All that is to say. If you have your system taking 2 minutes to boot, you might want to look into what is going on. Because that isn't a normal linux thing.
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Yep. The slowest part of booting that I have ever run into is either waiting for BIOS or waiting for a DE to start. I have never had a 2 minute boot even on ancient hardware, and I always use a bloated kernel with a shit ton of firmware so I can swap my drives easily.

I don't see any point in "trimming" the kernel on modern hardware except in special use situations but then again I am a retarded sperg.

Man, I miss Knoppix. I remember fucking around in it with Aptitude, just ripping out crucial dependcies to see what happened, finally getting hammered with a segmentation fault or something...then switching to another VT, log in, restartx and start fucking shit up again. Babby's first sandbox. :lol:
 
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Has anyone here tried using any Linux distro with ZFS? I'm considering installing Artix Linux on my PC with three SSDs in it, and I'm deciding if I should go for ZFS with RAID-Z1 or stick to LVM and spread the installation across the three drives.
 
Staring_at_Void said:
Has anyone here tried using any Linux distro with ZFS? I'm considering installing Artix Linux on my PC with three SSDs in it, and I'm deciding if I should go for ZFS with RAID-Z1 or stick to LVM and spread the installation across the three drives.
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I use ZFS on Gentoo machines and one Void machine as well. I use ZFSBootMenu instead of Grub. It sits in EFI and you can use it for full disk encryption. It has a better password prompt and unlocks disks a lot faster than Grub/LUKS (it uses a Linux kernel, for the bootloader, so you get access to harder decryption very early). I just keep eveything in one zroot pool that is split into zroot/ROOT/gentoo, zroot/home, zoot/var (on Gentoo, make sure zfs-mount is added to the boot runlevel so all the volumes mount correctly).

The ZFSBootmenu docs are decent, but you still gotta know what you're doing. It's pretty nice though. Snapshots are great for backups.

EDIT: I like how we're on page 686 of this thread, a nickname for the first Pentiums IIs.
 
Staring_at_Void said:
Has anyone here tried using any Linux distro with ZFS? I'm considering installing Artix Linux on my PC with three SSDs in it, and I'm deciding if I should go for ZFS with RAID-Z1 or stick to LVM and spread the installation across the three drives.
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What size? I would not recommend Z1 for large drives (like >1TB or so) from the same batch.

The problem is that rebuilds take forever for large drives and drives manufactured together tend to fail together.
 
innocent jogger said:
I don't see any point in "trimming" the kernel on modern hardware except in special use situations but then again I am a retarded sperg.
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You don't need to do it by any means.

But it does lead to a slightly faster boot, from when the kernel starts, to when the init system start. It's not really trimming out the things you are using. Just the other drivers that aren't being used with your hardware, and the software you use. Also extra networking stuff, crypto, and especially debugging stuff.

There is a lot of debugging junk left on in most of the kernels that are getting shipped, that are only useful to people either developing the kernel, or drivers. Or are doing some kind of low level development, that need to worry about that stuff. When you disable a lot of that, you get better performance from that alone, a smaller attack surface, and if you are disabling that stuff in the first place you are building a kernel, so importantly a faster build time.

Also making things that don't need to be built into the kernel, modules. Will help with boot times. Since then they only get loaded on demand, rather than every boot always. And using faster compression algorithms. Specifically ones with a fast decompression time. Since the kernel is a self decompressing executable (or something along those lines).
 
DavidS877 said:
How often do you people boot?
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I don't get people's obsession with keeping their PC's up and running all the time. It's not a router, and even then I reboot mine every 1-2 months whenever a firmware update rolls out. Besides, modern boot times, even on bloated shitheaps like Windows, are nothing when you have NVMe SSD's. My smartphone takes longer to reboot than my PC.
 
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DavidS877 said:
How often do you people boot?
20:06:18 up 147 days, 12:51, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.13, 0.09
And that was just because the UPS died and I had to replace it.
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'ate hibernation, 'ate sleep, simple as. I boot up my computer whenever I get home or wake up. By the time I'm done taking a piss or drinking a glass of water, the login screen is up. Systemd has been the only thing interfering with this, as well as being completely retarded when it comes to shutting off services during poweroff. Thankfully I've been Poetterware-free for a long while.
 
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'ate hibernation, 'ate sleep, simple as. I boot up my computer whenever I get home or wake up. By the time I'm done taking a piss or drinking a glass of water, the login screen is up. Systemd has been the only thing interfering with this, as well as being completely retarded when it comes to shutting off services during poweroff. Thankfully I've been Poetterware-free for a long while.
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After I open 40 windows or so I don't really like to reboot more than once a month or so, no sleep, no hibernate, just screen off when it's not in use. The 147 days is actually an embedded Pi that just listens to 433MHz transmissions for temperatures.
 
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