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I think some YouTubers try to push Bazzite as a gaming distro, ignoring the fact that it's wayland and it doesn't take much to make Mint a gaming disteo
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I think he explains why Bazzite in his previous video from a month ago, but I'm not going to rewatch it and transcript isn't very helpful with a word such as "Bazzite".
One thing he did mention is a different software to get the metrics. On Windows it was Intel PresentMon and on Linux MangoHud. Part of the difference could be that, but the diff isn't small, so, I wouldn't say it's just that. Wayland could explain the rest of it, maybe? However, it also might just be that, the whole: "Linux now runs games better then Windows" thing is a bit overblown?
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I agree with some of this stuff with minor caveats except for performance. "Much slower"? I have seriously not noticed any visible performance regression in any games I got running on Lornix. I think other benchmarks confirm this. At worst the difference are a few frames. But I also don't notice if 3 or 4 frames are missing from my game and I used a 1080p 60Hz monitor with a 6 year old GPU until late last year, so I am clearly not sweaty enough to have this discussion on a professional level. Perhaps it is overhyped if you expect very high performance, but a 20%~ regression does seem very odd.
It's interesting that they had these issues with an AMDGPU, as others say in the comments it could be a power profile issue. I am wondering if this is a Bazzite/Fedora issue on Wayland too, I would like them to try Mint/X11 and see if the same holds true. Not saying it won't or that it devalues their critique/benchmark, I am just curious. Also I like that they showcased Bazzite failing at the end of the video seemingly without the ability to recover, won't shut up atomic acolytes who will claim user error though. Don't really know what the problem was, the comments seem to think it was Windows that did it. I am more skeptical, but perhaps.
This is a common issue with Chromium browsers on Wayland/NVIDIA, though I have personally not experienced it under Steam. The issue is that you are running it under Xwayland which has had this bug on Chromium for ages, the only fix for the browsers under Wayland is to force it to run in Wayland via a launch setting which is shown here on the Arch wiki.
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I don't know, it does some like there's likely some aggravating factors contributing to his results given most other Windows vs Linux comparisons I've seen don't have such a wide margin, and people don't generally report having such massive performance loss on Linux. I don't what it could be. Could be something with the settings and/or drivers in Bazzite, could be something setting his GPU to a low power setting like a few comments on the video suggest. There's also some comments guessing it's because the games tested use ray tracing and the GPU driver on Linux isn't optimized for it, I wouldn't know anything about that since I've never played anything with ray tracing.
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FFXIV through XIVLauncher, for me, has native performance on Fedora KDE (Wayland) and Ubuntu Xorg and nearly unplayable on Ubuntu Wayland due to input lag and constant frame drops.
It's one of those fun things where there are so many variables you're gonna spend a long time figuring out where the actual issue lies.
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A bit optimistic. Since people are running the wayland sessions, by choice already. I don't think most people give that much of a fuck about their display server. If it does what they want.
If you are a complete noob. You might have a hard time because it's not exactly one command, and done install on arch at this point. That said. you can just enable xorg in your display manager. If you want to run xorg.
You can absolutely switch to xlibre. For someone that is new, you are probably better off just running xorg right now, if you are prepared to potentially deal with some problems in the next year as it goes through development. And also just getting it installed. That said. It sounds like you have something off in your configuration. But kde every time I tried it, no matter what display server was a buggy piece of shit. So idk.
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Wayland still relies on the Xwayland compatibility layer right? If you remove that it'll not work as well.
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a lot of these techtubers have been talking to linux techtuber channels like level1techs and the conversation is always "how can i install steamOS on my gaming pc to run benchmarks"
to which wendell or brodie robertson or gardner bryant will tell them "just install bazzite its like steamos except it works on generic hardware"
so bazzite is being recommended to gaming techtubers and its not working on jay's setup for whatever reason
i've historically recommended cachyos but someone i met ran into the same problem jay is having except on cachyos, which was he has a newer amd graphics card and his performance is very poor compared to other linux distros like vanilla arch
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This has already been fixed on Arch. I think the CachyOS maintainer backported the same fix they did with their drivers, which they got from the thread. Basically it just sets an environmental variable to not use vulkan. I am on 580 now and not noticing any issues, no performance regressions from not using vulkan either.
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Xorg applications rely on xwayland to run. None of the compositors need it to function. At this point though, most applications that are still being updated, that aren't made to be wayland specific. Are able to run with just wayland. When i do use a wayland compositor, I don't use xwayland. It doesn't effect much for me. The main thing is anything electron. So web browsers basically. They need to be launched with the --ozone-platform-hint=auto flag. Which just tells it to look for which backend is being used, and run natively on what it finds. Usually that means it looks for WAYLAND_DISPLAY or DISPLAY and sets it based on that.
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Not new, just never really fucked around with display servers and usually just rolled with what I got. Xlibre is already installed and running instead of regular x11. Just want to try and and completely move over to test it out.
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This seems to have done the trick for Brave. Thanks.
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It's definitely overblown. What Sebastians my Linus is that these tech Youtubers rarely do Linux comparisons that matter. I can't say for sure whether the problem is Wayland, but would it kill a channel with a production crew to install two distros on the same PC?
Since Jayztwocents mentioned outlining exactly what you mean when recommending distros in the video you linked, here it is.
Tier 1: Take two popular distros of the opposite polarity. First, Bazzite, which is an immutable distro based on Fedora and is being shilled everywhere by everyone as the latest "easy" Linux (novelty factor, Wayland display protocol, new-ish packages in repository). Next, install Mint on the same machine (stable distro with older packages, X11 display protocol). Then do tests.
Tier 2: More work, but it's at least somewhat comprehensive. Add something Arch-based to the mix like EndeavourOS. This gives a base with the latest packages and also a good option to test X11 and Wayland side by side on the same distro.
It's never going to happen, obviously. If you begin asking around the "community" about a topic like this, I am 100% certain that literally any channel doing it will have Brodie Robertson and anyone GNOME-adjacent bombarding their DMs from day 1 about getting with the times and not promoting le heckin obsolete, abandoned software like X11.
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Yes, it fucking is. The Linux community always overblows every advancement in closing the gap between Windows and Linux into some unprecedented achievement since they know that they didn't reached 1:1 parity but they have to make it seem like they did just so that more people switch to Linux. Not because it's better but because it's Linux, the more people in the Cult of Tux the better. Zero regard as for whether or not Linux is objectively the better choice for this given person's use case. If they settled on being happy that they went from "completely unplayable" to "somewhat worse than Windows but pretty damn playable" then it wouldn't be an issue, but you're talking about people who turn the OS they are using into their own personality harder than the power tool people.
The one thing that's the most infuriating is how the Linux cultists keep trying to push this appearance that Linux is somehow running games better than Windows in every case. Windows is an OS where Microsoft, Intel, AMD and Nvidia have collaborated for decades, investing billions into making sure that the software can utilize 100% of the hardware's capabilities and is constantly sitting at the very edge of what can be squeezed out of the silicone, yet apparently now Linux manages to break the laws of physics and give you more performance than the hardware is capable of?
I don't know, maybe it's some Dunning-Kruger delusion where the most zealous Linux cultists outright refuse to touch Windows with a stick, so whenever Linux closes another gap, like with the recent NTFS kernel improvements, it seems to them that Linux is suddenly better than Windows, except all that happened was that it got closer to reach Windows' baseline game performance. But they're too retarded to realize that so they run around the Internet rallying about how much better Linux is now and that you HAVE to switch NOW as there is NO reason for you to keep using Windows, then people who are sick of Microsoft's enshittification believe that bullshit, get burned on Linux, and that's how the consensus on the Linux community is formed. The loudest and most braindead faggots are the ones forming it, not the people who actually understand what the fuck they're using and how it compares to the industry leader to give an objective opinion and recommendation.
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Only game that runs better on linux than windows is minecraft, before adding any optimization mods.
As personal experience, games run on about the same performance on linux than on windows, except on linux I don't got to worry about windows update shitting my computer while gaming.
There isn't any real gain in performance other than not having windows services doing whatever the fuck in the background.
As personal experience, games run on about the same performance on linux than on windows, except on linux I don't got to worry about windows update shitting my computer while gaming.
There isn't any real gain in performance other than not having windows services doing whatever the fuck in the background.
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Xlibre is now available as a Fedora COPR package
And with this every primary distro has Xlibre in one form and another, even if only their latest versions.
And with this every primary distro has Xlibre in one form and another, even if only their latest versions.
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This annoys me too.
The truth is that many people seem to readily forget that VRAM management is still completely broken for discrete AMD and NVIDIA GPUs as of mid-2025. Unless the dGPU you're using has an excess of dedicated VRAM relative to your actual needs, either your FPS will start to tank at some point during gameplay, eventually necessitating an Alt+F4 (AMD) or your desktop session will simply crash out (NVIDIA).
If you're able to work around the dysfunctional mess by specifically buying a GPU with more VRAM than the rendering pipeline can ever meaningfully use under load (like say a AMD Radeon 7600 XT) and deliberately limiting yourself to a 1080p (or sometimes 1440p) resolution then Linux is extremely competitive, and in even more extreme scenarios like AMD APUs with decent cooling, we're seeing SteamOS outperforming Windows at running ProtonDB platinum-rated Windows games.
Anyone who has a general-purpose PC expecting their 8GB cards to game at 1440p (or 12GB cards with 4K) will be sorely disappointed running Linux. There's zero chance of this working with NVIDIA cards like it does on Windows due to the lack of shared VRAM support. If they're using AMD, then they had better manage the VRAM themselves. Need I mention VR? It's still a broken mess too. As with everything in life, there's a trade-off.
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Then, yeah shouldn't be a problem. Not sure what you mean by completely move over then. If you mean not having wayland installed at all. I would guess kde will pull in wayland as a dependency. So that won't exactly be easy.
You won't really gain any over just using xlibre as your default session from doing that though. So it's probably not going to be worth the effort to try removing wayland, if it is automatically pulled in. You could try installing another desktop, and removing kde. Like using xfce, they might not have it pulled in as a dependency yet. Although, like I said, you aren't going to have any real over just running xlibre as your default session. Besides xfce being more light weight, and a solid desktop.
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libxfce4ui depends on gtk3, which depends on wayland, at least as of latest versions in Arch/extra. Really, worrying about having a <1MB package for wayland that you're not going to use is both excessive and too much trouble to maintain.