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People exaggerate the memory/performance differences between all the DEs, most of them use less than a gig if you starve them, and they will rightfully balloon when they realize they can actually cache stuff into memory.
If squeezing out every extra byte of memory is important for something you're doing (like numeric computing) you should just be doing it in a terminal session anyway.

Differences between DEs are all dust in the wind the second you open a modern web browser. It is hungry, and it must feed.
 
I just made the switch on my laptop, after experimenting with a few different options with partitions on my desktop.

Eventually took the super normie path, daily driving Mint on a laptop. And can I just express how much easier it is for me to find my stuff?
I mean that's a little bit my fault for being the type of person who just saves things everywhere, but regardless of my own bad practices, everything here just makes so much more sense. No matter what I need it seems like you just go back to localhost and you'll find what you're looking for from there.

I wish I was gosu at computers or something and could give more feedback, but my initial impressions that it feels a lot more convenient. Also I like that I can just kind of leave it open and there's not a million different things going on for no reason.
 
Protip to anyone using Audacity on Wayland sessions like something like Artix or Arch (though I think other distros default to this too), they currently default Audacity to run under Xwayland due to some recording memory leak bug under Wayshit that apparently is still a thing, but if you don't use Audacity to record then it's not really relevant. I have been running it under Wayland and not encountered any issue with memory at all for a few months now, and it is also less buggy in other areas. Xwayland introduced some weird graphics bugs and I felt it ran slower, this was my bad I thought it was Audacity doing it when instead it was some default it ships with. If you need to record you can just use Reaper or temporarily launch Audacity in X11 mode for that by using GDK_BACKEND=x11 audacity in the terminal, you could even just write a separate .desktop launcher for X11 and Wayland sessions respectively that just set each env to their own session, something I feel could be a good thing for applications to ship with normally actually. I don't know if I am retarded and this is common knowledge (very possible) but for other retards, this is why this happens.

To do this you set it to use Wayland by using the GDK_BACKEND=wayland env variable. On KDE Plasma you just right click Audacity in the start menu and click "Edit Application" and you should see it say x11 instead of wayland on GDK_BACKEND. This was making me go crazy because on my X11 session it worked fine but under Wayland it was just fucked. When it would boot up the splash screen would just be black for instance instead of showing the logo of Audacity. If that happens to you too, then it's running under Xwayland. If you are like me and torturing yourself by trying to learn Wayland because "it is the future of Linux™" as decided by assholes then I have now learned from this experience to always first check if something is running under Xwayland by using the xlsclients command in the terminal which lists all current Xwayland applications running on your system. Same with any game issues under Proton, try running it with the Wayland flag on in launch settings ala PROTON_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 %command%. IIRC you may need Proton GE for this which has the experimental Wayland Wine integrated. Could fix whatever problem you are having like it did for me on Brotato or make it worse, it will remove the Alt+Tab Steam integration on any game because Wayland does not support that yet, but it's worth trying ig.
 
LMDE 7 Beta released for testing.

Kinda tempting though Artix Linux is suiting me fine right now...
Is LMDE actually useful? It feels more like a proof of concept than a practical alternative. Some people may really hate Ubuntu, but Mint already removes controlware such as Snap. The LMDE repos have fewer users and so will likely get less maintenance and slower updates. Also, it's Cinnamon-only, whereas some may favor another DE; regular Mint offers Xfce and MATE.

So I can't see why anyone would recommend LMDE to a novice, or really to anyone but a Linux hobbyist.

The Mint website suggests they're preparing for the day that Ubuntu shuts down operations (but Debian survives). That isn't likely any time soon, so this seems premature.
 
Is LMDE actually useful? It feels more like a proof of concept than a practical alternative. Some people may really hate Ubuntu, but Mint already removes controlware such as Snap. The LMDE repos have fewer users and so will likely get less maintenance and slower updates. Also, it's Cinnamon-only, whereas some may favor another DE; regular Mint offers Xfce and MATE.

So I can't see why anyone would recommend LMDE to a novice, or really to anyone but a Linux hobbyist.

The Mint website suggests they're preparing for the day that Ubuntu shuts down operations (but Debian survives). That isn't likely any time soon, so this seems premature.

It's a testbed for ensuring Linux Mints projects work on other Linux distributions, it gets the latest Cinnamon Desktop and signature Linux Mint software releases, which vanilla Debian Stable does not (Bookworm had a significant bug with the Cinnamon lock screen for me,), and this time LMDE is going to have OEM installation support.
 
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Is LMDE actually useful? It feels more like a proof of concept than a practical alternative. Some people may really hate Ubuntu, but Mint already removes controlware such as Snap. The LMDE repos have fewer users and so will likely get less maintenance and slower updates. Also, it's Cinnamon-only, whereas some may favor another DE; regular Mint offers Xfce and MATE.

So I can't see why anyone would recommend LMDE to a novice, or really to anyone but a Linux hobbyist.

The Mint website suggests they're preparing for the day that Ubuntu shuts down operations (but Debian survives). That isn't likely any time soon, so this seems premature.
My guess is the biggest thing is to ensure Cinnamon does not accidentally have dependencies on Ubuntu or other Mint exclusive code. From what I've seen the only difference between it and Cinnamon Debian is that it has a nicer icon set and default themes.

It started as an insurance policy on case Ubuntu made a user hostile change that cannot be removed or bypassed, so I guess if that ever happens they will switch to LMDE being the default version and porting their tools over.
 
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SteamOS does a lot to solve this issue. Everyone seems to love the Steam Deck.
yeah if u ditch ur desktop and get a steam deck with a dock thats fine
and for pc gamers who are more known for wasting their lives playing video games while saying they value their time too much to use linux, i'm sure steamOS is perfect for them.
 
The big issue with SteamOS that fuels the mythos of Valve saving everyone from Windows with SteamOS for desktops is that the reason SteamOS is so good is because it's fine-tuned to a handful of hardware configurations. The moment Valve would try and make a "Windows but Linux" that tech illiterate mongoloids long for all of the smoothness of SteamOS would evaporate at an instant when you're now trying to make fucking Arch of all distros "just werk" on millions upon millions of varying hardware configurations. All of Linux's shortcomings would peek their ugly head in.

The fact that Windows handles different hardware configurations so well despite the clusterfuck that NT development is, from Win9x being a mess, then initial NT versions being full of issues, then the Longhorn project and it's final result that was Vista, the constant layering of legacy code dating back to NT 3.1, and the enshittification at the hands of the chief Pajeet since 2015, is nothing short of a fucking Christmas miracle. Valve would need a Christmas miracle of their own for SteamOS to be what people envision it as.
Slightly off topic but Valve deserves more credit than you're giving it when it comes to PC gaming. You're probably not old enough to remember Microsoft in the Xbox 360 days but Microsoft was doing its damnest to kill off PC Gaming. They launched a half ass attempt to unify the Xbox and Windows gaming spaces with "Games For Windows" and tried very hard to shill one of the earliest cross platform games, Shadow Run which was a flop on PC. The issue why it failed to take off was 1. Microsoft's top engineers and developers preferred to work Xbox since the bonuses were better and 2. with the rocky release of Vista, Microsoft execs started questioning whether it was worth to support PC for gaming when the Xbox line had better margins and they could get more money if everyone was on Xbox. There was even open talks of stripping DirectX out of Windows to debloat it for corporate use. Games for Windows also had some of the shittiest DRM known to man which is why people didn't want to buy games from there.

Microsoft canned Games for Windows in less than two years after launch and stopped porting Xbox exclusives to Windows. 2008 was the last year a lot of console exclusives got ported and was years until people saw Microsoft published Xbox games get on PC when the Xbox One switched AMD64 architecture. During that time, the executives didn't give a shit about PC games and it was clear they wanted people to go out and buy Xbox 360s. This is how Steam took off because Steam in 2006 was competing with Games for Windows and didn't have that many third party titles and by 2008 was absolutely dominate due to Microsoft's lethargy. Valve pretty much saved gaming for Windows in the era of digital buy convenience.

For hardware configurations, I personally haven't had hardware issues in a long time with Linux. SteamOS is Valve's attempt to make a canned distro that guarantees the most work and I think its been ridiculously successful compared to the Steam Boxes they tried. The real win Valve has is forking Wine and making Proton. How well that runs and how much better it handles legacy games compared to Windows at times is phenomenal. The switch to Arch makes sense if you have used Debian (the first SteamOS) in the last couple of years, Debian fucking sucks for desktop usage as a beginner. There is a reason why distros like Mint and Ubuntu exist and beginners get recommended to them. The meme that Arch is unstable is something that needs to die, I had more issues running Fedora than my Arch variant. The Arch project has its shit together. If PewDiePie of all people can switch to vanilla Arch without problems as a long time Windows user then it's not a bad distro to base a gaming operating system on.
 
Slightly off topic but Valve deserves more credit than you're giving it when it comes to PC gaming.
I'm not saying Valve didn't do fuck-all, I'm saying that the SteamOS that people want is something that simply isn't going to happen. People want Windows but Linux, and unless you have 1:1 transparent parity with WinNT, which you'll never achieve on Linux, people will hate that SteamOS. Because you'll need to learn Linux, and people don't want to learn Linux. They want Windows from Valve. Basically, either make a switch to Linux now or shut the fuck up because SteamOS won't save you.

I am fully aware that Valve did an insane amount of work, taking Linux gaming from "pipe dream" to "almost as good as Windows" in a few years. Obviously they had their monetary motivations behind it but in the end everyone wins.
 
I feel like Louis mentioned this recently but I cannot find the video:

An app on my Graphene phone has started refusing to work because I have the Google Play Store disabled. It wants that store open and out of the sandbox at all times so it can 'verify' the app constantly? What pretend rationale did they declare for this new behaviour - and what is the actual reason for this bullshit?
 
What the fuck does that even mean?

When I watch a movie, do I 'experience' it the way the director intended? Presumably they mean I 'experience' it in a theatre, at full ticket price, without edits of any sort, and with no alternatives. IOW it's entirely theirs, it's just being lent to me under certain conditions, and harvesting my data is one of those conditions.

But is their any security vulnerability in leaving Google Play enabled?
 
What the fuck does that even mean?

When I watch a movie, do I 'experience' it the way the director intended? Presumably they mean I 'experience' it in a theatre, at full ticket price, without edits of any sort, and with no alternatives. IOW it's entirely theirs, it's just being lent to me under certain conditions, and harvesting my data is one of those conditions.

But is their any security vulnerability in leaving Google Play enabled?
In theory someone could phish you. In reality google just wants to make the devs suck the realID cock while allowing for Chinese MSS honeypots and malicious actors.
The Google Play version has been controlled by a third party since May 2024 and is a non-opensource version. Please do not download it.
 
I'm not saying Valve didn't do fuck-all, I'm saying that the SteamOS that people want is something that simply isn't going to happen. People want Windows but Linux, and unless you have 1:1 transparent parity with WinNT, which you'll never achieve on Linux, people will hate that SteamOS. Because you'll need to learn Linux, and people don't want to learn Linux. They want Windows from Valve. Basically, either make a switch to Linux now or shut the fuck up because SteamOS won't save you.

I am fully aware that Valve did an insane amount of work, taking Linux gaming from "pipe dream" to "almost as good as Windows" in a few years. Obviously they had their monetary motivations behind it but in the end everyone wins.
I'm pretty sure it's the lack of proper NVidia support that keeps people from learning Linux.
The basics are simple enough, and a lot comes down to presentation. Android and ChromeOS are Linux-based, and MacOS and iOS are BSD-based, also a Unix derivative. Somehow everyone and their grandma manage to get around these just fine.
 
I'm pretty sure it's the lack of proper NVidia support that keeps people from learning Linux.
The basics are simple enough, and a lot comes down to presentation. Android and ChromeOS are Linux-based, and MacOS and iOS are BSD-based, also a Unix derivative. Somehow everyone and their grandma manage to get around these just fine.
Nvidia support is pretty decent on Linux now, watching the Xlibre chat a lot have been saying that they prefer Nvidia over AMD as the quality of AMD code is dropping. Let alone that if you want CUDA or any of the similar systems you have to use Nvidia because the AMD/ Intel equivalents don't have great Linux support
Nvidia just needs a more complicated system to manage it's driver and updates, but otherwise it's a completely solid platform on Linux
 
I'm pretty sure it's the lack of proper NVidia support that keeps people from learning Linux.
This is pretty outdated.
Due to the AI boom, Nvidia has been investing a lot more resources into developing drivers for linux, especially for CUDA/CuDNN.
I'll grant you that installing them is a bit opaque, but once you do it a couple of times it's pretty straightforward.
 
What would you need CUDA for in gaming?
How do the frame rates compare?
And do they finally support DSC now? Otherwise you need custom EDIDs for some monitors, and those are a PITA with Wayland. You gotta create them in Windows, of course, then import, and pray.
 
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