The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

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cigint said:
Everything in Linux is different from how you're used to thinking, and it may not be advantageous to postpone being confronted with it.
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Except the main complaint people have about Linux is that you have to use the command line for most tasks, and if you tell people to skip the GUI sandbox of Mint and just jump into the deep water with Debian or God forbid Arch, you're gonna make sure this person won't be considering Linux as an alternative.

Again, stop caring about getting people to move from Windows to Linux because it's basically impossible with how mentally opposed the two userbases are, especially if you believe that when people switch to Linux they have to learn how it works under the hood when most Windows users know fuck all about how WinNT works. Expecting them to ditch Mint in favor of a more "raw" distro so that they "learn the real Linux" is genuinely delusional and you need to seek help if you can't comprehend that most people don't and won't think like you about computers. These people will just move to either macOS or Chromebooks, spend a bit of extra money, go right into an environment that does everything they need to do where they don't have to think about how it works.
 
Slav Power said:
if you tell people to skip the GUI sandbox of Mint ... Expecting them to ditch Mint in favor of a more "raw" distro
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I didn't tell people to skip Mint or ditch Mint. I recommended Mint as the first distribution, with the boilerplate caveat emptor that in fairness should accompany any Canonical-derived product.
 
Generally Mint is enough to easily set up a daily driver and get familiar with Linux. If you choose to delve into the more technical nitty gritty you're free to switch to a different distro at a later date.

Think of it as your first car being a reliable Japanese import where all the buttons and controls are intuitive and the dealership has an excellent mechanic and will answer any questions you have. If later you decide you want a stick shift or to install a turbo or tow or go off-roading you can get a different car, having learned how to drive on the first car.
 
Betonhaus said:
Generally Mint is enough to easily set up a daily driver and get familiar with Linux. If you choose to delve into the more technical nitty gritty you're free to switch to a different distro at a later date.
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Thing is, you can delve into the more technical nitty gritty with Mint, but if you just want to use your computer, you don't have to. Mint sets up a GUI sandbox where you don't have to touch the terminal, but if you want to, you can, and you have as much freedom to fuck everything up as you do on any other distro. This idea that you can't use the "beginner friendly" distro to learn Linux is such a dumb repeated myth. You can, but the point is that you don't have to, because you shouldn't just to be able to switch from Windows and use your PC, and that's what Mint offers.
 
He should get a Steamdeck running SteamOS, with a Steamdock, monitor, mouse and keyboard. Good for browsing the web and playing games, if you are okay with 1080p 60fps. It's read only like osx so nothing too complicated. Downloading software from a repository vs an .exe file seems the biggest difference for caz users. And you can control a basic launcher front end from an xbox wireless controller too.
 
Niggler Antics said:
With windows 10 reaching it's EOL I'm considering switching to Linux. Can anyone here recommend a good variant of it what wouldn't make switching too hard, I would search it but I feel first hand experience is more informative than slop for cash articles.
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For computers I give away to homeless people i go with mint and haven't had any complaints yet
 
Just got recommended this neat short video of a Slackware graybeard excitedly trying to boot an old version of Slackware for ARM from 2006 and being met with a fun slow-mo kernel panic:


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I didn't know Slackware had an ARM version all the way back then. Such a cool distro, it's one that I will always respect a lot even if I don't see myself daily driving it. It seems like the stable releases has gone down from twice or once a year to maybe once every 5 years or so.
 
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Just got recommended this neat short video of a Slackware graybeard excitedly trying to boot an old version of Slackware for ARM from 2006 and being met with a fun slow-mo kernel panic:

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I didn't know Slackware had an ARM version all the way back then. Such a cool distro, it's one that I will always respect a lot even if I don't see myself daily driving it. It seems like the stable releases has gone down from twice or once a year to maybe once every 5 years or so.
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Yeah from what I understand people pretty much move to the unstable branch after a year or so. Because there really isn't much choice. Especially if you need to compile things outside of what is available in their repos, or the other slackware repos other people have.

I think if everything you like using is packaged by them. It can overall be a good distro. I think you probably want to be a fairly knowledgeable user to be able to run it though. It definitely works, but it's definitely stuck in a time of linux where things were done much differently than now.

All that said. Yeah I think most people have some level of respect for slackware even if they wouldn't want to run it themselves.
 
Niggler Antics said:
With windows 10 reaching it's EOL I'm considering switching to Linux. Can anyone here recommend a good variant of it what wouldn't make switching too hard, I would search it but I feel first hand experience is more informative than slop for cash articles.
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As many have suggested, Mint is very good and even I never killed it. It’s designed with newbies in mind.

However, I was you a few years ago (I just jumped sooner) and I’d been quietly lurking here trying to make sense of stuff (tbh I still don’t have much of a clue) and listening to Dear Feeder’s trials and tribulations with Arch.

I had a spare hard drive, read some stuff and literally picked the one that was most aesthetically pleasing and went from there. So really, it depends if you just wanna follow the general consensus or try something that appeals just to you.

Fwiw I tried a few (including Mint) and been on EndeavourOS for two years. Arch gets a lot of stick but I, a retard, have been fine.

Watch the fucker not boot tomorrow to prove me wrong.
 
playing around with jp2a

not having color on here. doesn't help much. I wonder if setting different sets of characters to use will help with different images clarity.

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@Carpe Jugulum
However, I was you a few years ago (I just jumped sooner) and I’d been quietly lurking here trying to make sense of stuff (tbh I still don’t have much of a clue) and listening to Dear Feeder’s trials and tribulations with Arch.
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I'll be real. To learn. This isn't the best place. If you ask questions you will get some help. But otherwise, all you will find here is people talking shit about the software they don't like, and sometimes some talk about programs they recommend. And a lot of autistic arguing. Which, I mean this is one of the threads I post most consistently in. So I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. It's just a great place to learn about linux as a beginner.

Really, If you are fine with reading. I recommend the arch wiki. It doesn't matter if you are using mint. All of the information still applies besides the articles on pacman, and installation. There is an answer there for almost anything you want to know. Then if you really want to dive into things. Also the gentoo wiki, although i would say the arch wiki is better for someone on mint especially if they haven't really looked at any of this stuff yet.

There are the man pages. But that's pretty terminal specific. I do recommend learning about the terminal if you haven't. It's not really needed on mint. But knowing how to use it even on mint still has benefits. For a lot of things it ends up being much faster/easier than using the gui version of what you are doing. (obviously there are cases where it doesn't make as much sense to use the terminal). Either way my point is. Even though you don't have to learn how to use it. It will improve your experience if you do. Anyway, along with man pages there's tldr which is basicaly a program that will output a few short examples of how to use a program. Sometimes it's pretty nice when you just need a reminder.

There are a ton of smaller sources of information scattered all over the internet as well. That have some great stuff. But just what I put above is enough to basically learn how to do just about anything you would want to do on linux.
 
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I’m on Omarchy and super happy so far. My first time using Hyprland too.

I wana recommend Omarchy to win 10 people but honestly it’s better for Mac users since they are used to the concept of a Super+Spacebar hotkey and multi desktops.
 
prollyanotherlurker said:
I'll be real. To learn. This isn't the best place.
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Learning how to learn is the real lesson. Internet people are generally tired of answering the same questions over and over, so attitudes become condescending. Having spent time in #emacs IRC, ask them about guile/emacs and see the pissy chat responses.
Reading static literature takes a lot of time and brain power. You must bend your mind to the format of the language. Rather, make use of modern tools that reference the information you require, and then assist when you get stuck/confused.

This has worked for me: Pay the $20 for perplexity. Make a Space for a special topic. Gather your resources (https://annas-archive.org/ for pdf, look for files <50mg), and add web resources. Within "context" of the space, add instructions. An example instruction template is "Context, Reference Handling, and Core Principals."
Within the space context, you'll have "global references." For example, I added a lot of Eric S Raymond, (The Art of Unix Programming, The Jargon File, How to Ask Questions the Smart Way, the Cathedral and the Bizarre, The Art of Unix Usability, etc). This gives a tone and voice to the AI.
You then make a prompt/thread, attaching "local references" as needed. Prompt can be related to global theme (Unix) or not. For example, I made a thread about cleaning and organizing my house. Locally referenced pdf file: "The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up."
The space will give you feedback, using the local reference, through the lens and voice of global instruction.
You can learn a lot without having to waste time watching videos or lurk wikis/forums, or god forbid a parasocial discord.
Don't let the AI get parasocial. Anthropomorphic language such as the AI referring itself as "I" is a no-no (as it is a Machine, not an artificial person), in my opinion.
 
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Croco said:
Learning how to learn is the real lesson. Internet people are generally tired of answering the same questions over and over, so attitudes become condescending. Having spent time in #emacs IRC, ask them about guile/emacs and see the pissy chat responses.
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That's why if you actually want advice you don't ask questions, you just say something completely wrong about it and people will fall all over themselves to show how much smarter they are than you.
 
I've had Artix installed on this portable hard drive for about a week now. So far, so good! All my Steam games play without issue, same goes with my GOG library via Heroic Games Launcher. Emulating vidya's a breeze, media playback's a non-issue, my printer works, I've honestly just been booting straight into the Artix install on my portable hard drive instead of my Linux Mint install on my internal SSD without much headache. I didn't even do the full manual installation process; I just took the OpenRC live image of Cinnamon, booted to the desktop, and installed right out the gate. Not sure if that counts as Artix's own version of Archinstall, but it's a far nicer system to work with.
 
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I just took the OpenRC live image of Cinnamon, booted to the desktop, and installed right out the gate. Not sure if that counts as Artix's own version of Archinstall, but it's a far nicer system to work with.
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The standard graphical Artix installer is Calamares: https://calamares.io/ And yeah, incredibly slick. Blows Debian-based systems out of the water, frankly. When I was screwing around with tests, Artix was several times faster to install than Mint, Debian, etc.
 
Bazzites discord server is the worst linux discord server out there. Had to go there to get support on my distro because Im to lazy to switch to a working piece of software.
They banned me because I disagreed with flatpaks and said "I dont like distros that only allow hyper contained flatshits" and some girl ACUTALLY called the moderators because she saw a opinion on linux package manager she disagreed with, The first thing she did was not "well why do you think that" no it was to "@Mods". No im not joking, being considered "Wrong" is a bannable offense there. And I got a instant perma ban with no appeal
There was one mega tranny retard who was arguing that linux packages need to be more like android and more contained im not fucking joking.

Unironically we need to kill these subhumans. they are the most INSUFFERABLE people to deal with. you can not say ANYTHING.

You can not have computer opinions that they disagree with or you will be PERMA banned with no appeal.
You can post about troon and tranny rights literally every fucking day, but don't you DARE post a simple JDvance edit in off-topic or you will get warned(It wasn't even conservative or political it was just him edited in a creepypasta way.
You can formally bully, harass and treat other people like literal dirt if you are well respected or phrase your obvious bullying of others into the magic of "Formality", Then you can bully anyone you want all you want and get away with it.

These people are literally IMPOSSIBLE to work with. you can not say so much as ANYTHING or they will ban you, Rape your family, and put you on their hitlist. I could not last 24 hours despite never even saying a slur posting anything conservative or even anything offensive.
 
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ProudSkibidiTolietAryan said:
Bazzites discord server is the worst linux discord server out there.
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Bold claim and a very high bar. Every Linux Discord server is like this. I got banned from one of the general ones for saying Arch isn't the best distro and I got banned from the Gentoo one for complaining about Flatpaks in pretty much the same way as you.
You made a fatal mistake in thinking a Discord server would be the best way to get support. They are all full of the most smug, entitled pieces of shit that make you want to die after talking to them once. Noticed that all of these types of people use Arch for some reason.
 
analrapist said:
The standard graphical Artix installer is Calamares: https://calamares.io/ And yeah, incredibly slick. Blows Debian-based systems out of the water, frankly. When I was screwing around with tests, Artix was several times faster to install than Mint, Debian, etc.
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I don't really understand this whole idea of 'fast to install'. The last time I felt that an operating system was too slow to install was when I was trying to manually resolve package dependencies that I needed to install some basic graphical applications on a old 486 with a barebones install of Debian potato, download them with a dial up connection, and copy them over by floppy.

That was frustrating. I should have learnt more about how I could use aptitude and other tools to list all as yet uninstalled dependencies for the packages I wanted, so I didn't have to do so many round trips. But then I was 12.

I'm sure it'd be possible to significantly speed up the Debian installation of the base system, and whatever 'tasks' you select in tasksel, and potentially future upgrades, if there was some kind of parallelized DPKG that would unpack packages in parallel and run their configuration prompts and post-install scripts simultaneously if they didn't have any overlap in terms of files referenced in the package. But if you only ever actually run a install once or at most twice in the lifetime (10-15 years) of a PC, does it really matter if the CPU is not 100% loaded for the first hour or so of its life?
 
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