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This talk focuses on that evil little term “UX/UI,” which is responsible for so much confusion and tension in open-source projects. Not only does it unnecessarily pit programmers against designers, but it also limits our vision of what we could be doing. In this talk, Scott Jenson gives examples of how focusing on UX -- instead of UI -- frees us to think bigger. This is especially true for the desktop, where the user experience has so much potential to grow well beyond its current interaction models. The desktop UX is certainly not dead, and this talk suggests some future directions we could take.
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Pretty insightful stuff.
 
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Ahriman said:

Pretty insightful stuff.
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I think they tried that with Project Lookign Glass, and I vaguely recalls something for Mac OS X or something that turned your desktop into a room where you could throw your files around and make piles and such with them.

Ultimately the desktop environment is among the most efficient ways to display data for a standard computer form factor. if VR took off without Facebook strangling it in it's crib we might be looking at something different.

Bahnhader said:
It’s decent but I personally don’t like Devuan because things just always break and fuck up in my experience, packages for the normal distribution (Debian) often don’t work properly and you NEED said package as a dependency for some programs. This isn’t just me complaining that some things fuck up without systemd, it’s just that these systemd-free distros that are based on systemd distros just do not work well at all. Distorts that are actually designed to be systemd-free always work better because everything is compatible with each other, even if there aren’t as many packages.
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Fair. Plus I checked and the Cinnamon version is only available in Spanish. I tried CuerdOS which is based on Debian and has systemd and Xlibre, and it's kind of nice. the software manager seems to mimick something from Arch and it comes with vilvaldi as the default browser, and it is very, very snappy.
 
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GNU Abyss said:
Lots of KDE programs on binary distros will pull in kwallet even if you don't need it because they're built with all options included. This is why I dislike using software made for major DEs (Gnome, KDE, XFCE, etc.) - install one thing and it pulls in half the environment with it.
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Okular is a good example of that. I really like the program itself but it pulls in half of KDE and that kwallet shit with it if you try and install it thru dpkg and friends.

Someone more skilled and with more time to spare than me should fork some of these programs into being DE agnostic.. :optimistic:
 
Betonhaus said:
1. there needs to be a standardized way to report missing dependencies and offer to install them automatically if they're found in the distro's repositories
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  1. Don't websites that host the AppImages already tell you what dependencies you need to run the program? Especially if you want to build the program yourself.
  2. You can just run the AppImage through a terminal via "./[AppImage Name Here]" and it'll spit out the error for you, along with whatever dependencies you're missing. Hell, you can do that with any program, even something that needs WINE to run, just put "WINE ./[Program Name Here]" and it'll give you the log right there and then. This has helped me out of multiple jams where clicking on a program would just refuse to run.
 
innocent jogger said:
Someone more skilled and with more time to spare than me should fork some of these programs into being DE agnostic.. :optimistic:
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I never looked at KDE on the code level, but the dependencies make it seem a lot like Gnome. Everything is done with their own, in-house libraries and is very interconnected as a result. Seems a lot like trying to decouple anything made by footfags from glib and their GObject dogshit.
 
What with ol' Bram passing on and all, I've been trying to move on to neovim after about two decades of heavy vim usage. But my word, neovim's plugin situation is even worse than vim's. It's so bad that everywhere just tells you to use a plugin manager. What a pile of dogshit! Makes me seriously consider Emacs. Any other vi-heads out there with suggestions of better solutions? I use like 5% of vim's features and all I want out of this is rainbow delimiters for Scheme hacking: https://github.com/HiPhish/rainbow-delimiters.nvim

Basically, any shitty vi clone with rainbow parens will work.
 
Ferryman said:
Doom Emacs is what you're looking for. Its Emacs with Vim bindings & self contained, super intuitive package/plugin management. I was on the fence about jumping ship as well, but within a day or two of use I had the same speed as I do on (neo)vim.
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I'd recommend yoinking Doom Emacs packages piecemeal as opposed to using it straight up personally
 
I honestly find AppImages far preferable to Flatpaks after finally acclimatising myself to them. On Linux Mint, they're actually quite nice to look at because the cog icons get replaced with the actual emulator logos automatically. No such luck on Fedora 43 Cinnamon, but that's such a minor gripe in the scheme of things.

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Allow executing as a program (or just chmod +x) and look at that: I have all these emulators without eleventy bajillion bloated Flathub runtimes that take up 4.67 googloplexes worth of storage space... and are liable to get deprecated in six months to a year. Better yet? AppImages spare me the horrors of Fedora Flatpaks. The moment that the Fedora Project acutally standardises QA for Fedora Flatpaks, I'll withdraw my vitriol. The fact that Fedora Flatpaks consolidate all the runtimes into a single executable is appealing, but you can't pay me enough to trust them after how badly those idiots borked the OBS Flatpak.

Stuff like DuckStation and PCSX2 update automatically, other things like melonDS and Azahar require you to redownload the AppImage and allow executing. Even so, all the config files and related things are 100% persistent. Azahar recognises my 3DS dump directory both with this binary I transferred over from my Linux Mint drive directly and the one I downloaded straight off GitHub to test.

I'm sure there are other odds and ends I'm missing out on, but really... AppImages are so lovely, at least for emulating retro vidya because I can consolidate all my binaries into a single folder and drag/drop between other distros I'm testing.
 
User names must be unique said:
just bricked my windows install, any distros good for gayming I should try before inevitably re-installing windows 10?
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It's been over a year Windows free now. I feel I should post a review for any Linux-curious fags, but mostly for myself.

I distro-hopped for a while before getting bored and settling on Fedora KDE Plasma. Just a few tweaks (made through the GUI), and it felt close enough to my old tuned Windows 10 setup while having better features without 3rd party bloat. Except for an update in April that temporarily disabled the ability to go into sleep mode for a week or two, I've had literally zero issues I can blame on the OS. And aside from official World of Warcraft, all games I've tried have worked flawlessly through Lutris or Steam with no headaches or searching for 'how do I maek X gaem werk on Fedora.

Honestly, there's not much else to add. I haven't had to open the terminal in months, and when I did, following AI/chatbot instructions was infinitely better than following old forum posts like I did when I tried Ubuntu 7–8 years ago. I still have no idea what 90% of the posts in this thread are talking about, nor have I felt a compulsion to wear thigh high socks or derail a conversation talking about how Linux-GNU is superior.

TL;DR it just werks, fedora gud for braindead tards leik me.
 
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It's been over a year Windows free now. I feel I should post a review for any Linux-curious fags, but mostly for myself.

I distro-hopped for a while before getting bored and settling on Fedora KDE Plasma. Just a few tweaks (made through the GUI), and it felt close enough to my old tuned Windows 10 setup while having better features without 3rd party bloat. Except for an update in April that temporarily disabled the ability to go into sleep mode for a week or two, I've had literally zero issues I can blame on the OS. And aside from official World of Warcraft, all games I've tried have worked flawlessly through Lutris or Steam with no headaches or searching for 'how do I maek X gaem werk on Fedora.

Honestly, there's not much else to add. I haven't had to open the terminal in months, and when I did, following AI/chatbot instructions was infinitely better than following old forum posts like I did when I tried Ubuntu 7–8 years ago. I still have no idea what 90% of the posts in this thread are talking about, nor have I felt a compulsion to wear thigh high socks or derail a conversation talking about how Linux-GNU is superior.

TL;DR it just werks, fedora gud for braindead tards leik me.
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"gaming distros" are just redditor bait for retards. It's easier and better to start with a minimum featureset and install what you need.
 
User names must be unique said:
Following AI/chatbot instructions was infinitely better than following old forum posts like I did when I tried Ubuntu 7–8 years ago.
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The Arch forum is still an active forum and helps newbies out, you don't have to specifically use Arch to ask questions, general Linux questions (which are the majority of questions you'll probably ask) are allowed too. My guy seth has like 10k posts spanning 10 years actively, it's best to ask someone like him rather than copypasting code from mister GPT if you don't know what you're doing. You'll also help others who are looking for solutions too in the process.

I've tried to use mister GPT again today and it wasn't helpful in the slightest, all it did was tell me to install packages and hope for the best. My problems are always obscure, annoying problems rather than "my pc no workie, why me no have firefox". It's always "cannot process libgc.so, filetype not recognized".

It must be weird writing to yourself in the past, glad you stuck around with it, though, shows determination, as long as you like what you're using, it's all good. If you're worried about being some newbie using a newbie distro, Torvalds himself uses Fedora. I'm sure you'll become some technical, autistic sperg once you use top as a command regularly.
 
Dante Alighieri said:
"gaming distros" are just redditor bait for retards. It's easier and better to start with a minimum featureset and install what you need.
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Honestly, I wouldn't have much thought for those if they were literally just collections of preinstalled packages, configs and maybe a tuned kernel. But something like CachyOS also recompiles the entire repo with -O3 and LTO, and introduces its own patches, potentially incompatible with upstream, which is especially dangerous for Arch (see fucking manjaro and its problems over the years). And when your idea is to be a le gaming distro accessible to normies that really seems off.
 
Ferryman said:
Doom Emacs is what you're looking for. Its Emacs with Vim bindings & self contained, super intuitive package/plugin management. I was on the fence about jumping ship as well, but within a day or two of use I had the same speed as I do on (neo)vim.
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Anti Snigger said:
I'd recommend yoinking Doom Emacs packages piecemeal as opposed to using it straight up personally
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It is a thought, I guess. To me, a text editor runs on the console. That Doom Emacs wants to be a windowed application. I'd rather run in eg. dvtm or ssh. Doom Emacs is way more maximalist than I vibe with. Doesn't seem like there are many people who share my desires. I guess I'll just chew on lazy.nvim for now and keep my eyes open.
 
Hakase Shinonome said:
I've tried to use mister GPT again today and it wasn't helpful in the slightest, all it did was tell me to install packages and hope for the best. My problems are always obscure
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I think my problems were fairly common "how do I mount secondary disks at start up" " how do i set up the server for openRGB" it's just gonna pull the most copy/pasted answers and they worked.
 
Dread First said:
AppImages are so lovely, at least for emulating retro vidya because I can consolidate all my binaries into a single folder and drag/drop between other distros I'm testing
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I get this reality, but what I don't like are situations like AM2R where they offer no Linux support except via AppImage. Like, nigger, you're building an executable, I'll take your shit apart anyhow. If a game I wanna play has a version I can build myself, I go with that always. I get that it's handy to have the package available, but I really resent applications hauling along half an operating system of dependencies because "it makes things easier" when I get nothing from it. I run Gentoo. I build everything I run. It's a principle thing.

For what it is, AppImage does seem to be the least-worst of the "make things retard friendly" wrapper bullshits, though.
 
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