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Someone made a response video a while back

As for the Eric video, I disagree with the GIMP UI being a mess, I found using Photoshop UI design being worse and more confusing, maybe if I put more time in it I would have gotten used to it, but I find GIMP to be easy to use.
And when I use Kdenlive, I always feel like I'm a few steps away from my project being corrupted.
No offense, but isn't this like every program? I've heard to many people bitch about how their adobe premiere or DAvinci REsolve crashes their project, and I look at their content and don't see any complicated editing style that Kdenlive can't do.

I'm sorry, I just despise both windows and even linux users glazing over Davinci as like the only video editing software people only use.
 
Not saying anything this guy says is wrong, but I'm starting to get caught on how this topic always wraps back to Photoshop.
Yeah, I dunno. He throws around statements like "bad UI" and "incoherent layout", which *might* be true, but he doesn't actually demonstrate it. His one and only example of GIMP's "bad UI" is something that GIMP can't even do, since it rasterizes text on transform, which *is* a problem, but it's not a "UI" problem, it's a "GIMP is not/a shit vector editor problem". And I'm not defending GIMP, I just think that if it was really as bad as he claims, it wouldn't be difficult to show more/better examples.

What really triggers me with these videos is the ever-present "but think of the childrenaverage user" shit like this:

"To a non-programmer [GitHub] is basically impenetrable". Is it really? Are we at a point where "non-programmers" are illiterate now? As a "non-programmer", I'd be pretty annoyed if some faggot was talking down to me like that. If anything, using GitHub for bug reporting is more convenient, because you don't have to fuck around with 5123012 custom bug trackers. Oh, and let's not forget that you have to report bugs "the way developers want it done", which likely means "use a template and/or describe the problem as precisely as you can so that the developer(s) can figure out what the fuck the actual problem is, without having to torture users for that information".
 
"To a non-programmer [GitHub] is basically impenetrable". Is it really? Are we at a point where "non-programmers" are illiterate now?
If you can write Markdown, you can use GitHub to self-publish. No external programs needed. You can edit your files right in the user-interface. GitHub could scarcely be more accessible for the service that it provides.
 
No offense, but isn't this like every program? I've heard to many people bitch about how their adobe premiere or DAvinci REsolve crashes their project, and I look at their content and don't see any complicated editing style that Kdenlive can't do.

To be honest with you, no video editing software I've ever used has been as unstable as Kdenlive -- whether on Windows or GNU/Linux. Although again, I haven't had catastrophic issues in the recent past, I do get the occasional "Kdenlive crashed the last time, want to reload those config files?" dialogue box upon launch.

And there are things that are very kludgey in KL that work better in something like DR. Colour grading, audio post (yes, I know you should do your audio in a dedicated DAW, but DR makes it relatively easy) and GPU performance.

That said, I have an unreasonable affection for Kdenlive to the point that I throw some money every year at KDE to support their work. I don't know why KL works well with my brain, but it does.
 
As an unabashed FLOSS advocate, this hurt my heart -- mostly because I couldn't argue with a lot of what he said.

Coincidentally, I spent part of the afternoon working in both GIMP and KdenLive. What he spotlighted in his video in the section on GIMP was something that annoyed me today.

And when I use Kdenlive, I always feel like I'm a few steps away from my project being corrupted. A few years back I felt my asshole clench every time Kdenlive updated because I knew there was a decent chance I'd have to recreate my project from scratch because of a crash. It's been better the last two years.

And I still can't use GPU acceleration to scrub across my time line, and GPU-based rendering is still experimental? In 2026? Get the fuck out of here.

In the end I stick with Linux and FLOSS because I like limiting the amount of information being farmed from me, but I no longer promote most stuff to normies.
Out of the software he's mentioned, the two best "success stories" are Blender and OBS.

Blender, well, it speaks for itself.

OBS is single-handedly supporting vidya streaming.

In my mind, those two are the posterchild models of free software projects, how they should be carried out. Everything else is trash and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
 
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"To a non-programmer [GitHub] is basically impenetrable". Is it really? Are we at a point where "non-programmers" are illiterate now? As a "non-programmer", I'd be pretty annoyed if some faggot was talking down to me like that. If anything, using GitHub for bug reporting is more convenient, because you don't have to fuck around with 5123012 custom bug trackers. Oh, and let's not forget that you have to report bugs "the way developers want it done", which likely means "use a template and/or describe the problem as precisely as you can so that the developer(s) can figure out what the fuck the actual problem is, without having to torture users for that information".
The average """"tech"""" yougoyim has his head scrunched in a narrow binder by the CIA, and therefore cannot comprehend doing anything more complex than wiping his ass if not led by the hand like a child. Following a template!? On his own!? Without explicit guidance through a series of popups!?!?!? What are you gonna ask him to do next, wipe front to back?
 
It's dumb how Adobe doesn't port any of their software to Linux. They already have a multiplatform codebase (macOS and Windows) and use a custom UI framework, what's so hard about making it work that it's not profitable? Don't tell me it's about how hard it is to package software for Linux, they had PS 3.0 running on all of the wacky Unix flavors in the 90s no problem.
At least the Real Job™ CAD software has some sort of excuse, being Windows only (it's still retarded).

Is it because Linux user don't buy software? Well, nobody except Valve is trying to sell them any in the first place.

I just want good software on my system damn it. I'm retarded and I don't know how to use Windows or macOS :(
Most of their sales are B2B SAAS, individual sales are small potatoes and mostly useful for income diversification.

How many large companies have linux as an option for their end user equipment deployment? If they do, how many in those orgs among creative types are eager to use the linux options? How often is it a deal breaker such that it would impact a sale? (lets pretend Adobe has real competition in this space)

Even with a cross platform codebase there'd be work porting it to linux. Developing that port is a question of cost vs ROI. Consider the above, and then work out how long it would take to recoup the investment and start turning a profit. Note: this is software so it not only has to get there in a reasonable time, it not only has to beat tossing money into the S&P500, it needs to be a massive multiplier to beat opportunity cost for that investment. Then you also need to consider all the various flavors of linux and all of a sudden there's more effort and money needed to continue being able to sell a linux version than a windows or macos version.

I'm sure lots of people inside Adobe want to do it but it's not going to happen until it's worthwhile.
 
These are the same old complaints about "open source software" not being a drop-in replacement for proprietary software and thus it's a "big problem", and of course the prime example is GIMP not being Photoshop. While GIMP is a mess to use (to me), the video, like anyone else who has ever made this complaint, misses the point of software, especially "open source software": software is designed for specific users with a specific philosophy, just like everything else man has ever created.

In GIMP's case, it is software is from the 90s, a time when the dominant philosophy in "open source software" of what a user was was someone who was expected to have basic computer literacy, which included knowing programming well enough to get around. In fact, this philosophy was dominant throughout most of "open source software"'s existence until around the 2010s, at which point Joe Sixpack became the dominant user philosophy in "open source software".

Amusingly, Blender is also a product of the 90s, but, like mentioned in the video, Joe Sixpack was always the target user. So as far as I'm concerned, "open source software" not being a drop-in replacement for proprietary software is not a problem. The problem is you.
 
I just want good software on my system damn it. I'm retarded and I don't know how to use Windows or macOS :(
idk how long its been since u ran adobe on ur computer but theyre enshittifying even worse than windows.
canva is supposed to be maybe getting a linux port sometime in the future, and then hopefully we hear the end of people begging for adobe to unload their bowels all over linux
 
These are the same old complaints about "open source software" not being a drop-in replacement for proprietary software and thus it's a "big problem", and of course the prime example is GIMP not being Photoshop. While GIMP is a mess to use (to me), the video, like anyone else who has ever made this complaint, misses the point of software, especially "open source software": software is designed for specific users with a specific philosophy, just like everything else man has ever created.

In GIMP's case, it is software is from the 90s, a time when the dominant philosophy in "open source software" of what a user was was someone who was expected to have basic computer literacy, which included knowing programming well enough to get around. In fact, this philosophy was dominant throughout most of "open source software"'s existence until around the 2010s, at which point Joe Sixpack became the dominant user philosophy in "open source software".

Amusingly, Blender is also a product of the 90s, but, like mentioned in the video, Joe Sixpack was always the target user. So as far as I'm concerned, "open source software" not being a drop-in replacement for proprietary software is not a problem. The problem is you.
Not (quite) an argument, when the average FOSS coder (who can't even do some proper gatekeeping and now their project is co-opted by troons) can barely scrape by, and only contributes out of the kindness of his heart but can barely afford to pay the bills.

The normiest of normies, ultimately, pay your damn bills. Not the Stallman autistic types, eating the dead skin off their feet.

That's what the Blender guys finally understood, and the results speak for themselves.


 
to translate linus's epic speech which gardner steam deck boy agreed with
i am pretending to be retarded because i have soft bigotry of low expectations so i will refuse to read anything, copy paste commands willy nilly, not ask anyone for help, complain about having too many options, and then claim i speak for most people
and yeah if the average user was actually that fucking arrogantly stupid i'd give up on linux being adopted by anybody because the "normies" he talked about would be irredeemable
that bullshit excuse falls through when you start reading youtube comments and talking to new users who are making the switch and in the first day of them switching over they prove linus's stereotype is dead wrong and he just thinks his audience is a bunch of mouth breathing apes
I think you're right. I'll call people retarded niggers, and niggercattle that deserve to be eaten. But really people could learn this stuff. Especially something like mint. Besides window's having the benefit of coming preinstalled on machines. The real thing that holds them up, is almost everyone learned how to use a computer on a windows operating system. They did have to learn how things worked, but they did it through the perspective of this is how computer's are, so this is what you are supposed to do, and how you are supposed to use them. So now when they go to linux. They will have to relearn some things. But this time they are doing it as an adult that hasn't had to think about this stuff ever.

And really. The most retarded, mouth breathing nigger. I think is the person that will have the easiest time moving to linux. After they manage to get it installed at least. Because they really don't need it to do anything other than load a web browser, or maybe use some of the other applications that will come pre installed on whatever distro they have. I've installed mint on a few peoples computers. I've never had any of them ask me for help with anything really, after I showed them how to open a browser, and do other simple things like showing them where the settings are. So I really think linus is dead wrong. The only people that are retarded enough when it comes to computers to act like he does, are the ones that are too bad at this stuff for it to ever be a problem. Because they have the simplest use cases of anyone.

In my mind, those two are the posterchild models of free software projects, how they should be carried out. Everything else is trash and I'm tired of pretending it's not
There are so many things that are open source, or free software projects, that people use every day. And that are so ubiquitous that no one ever even thinks about the fact that they are.

Like browsers. And the browsers that aren't open source, most people tend to avoid. Like microsoft edge. Most people would rather use chromium, or firefox if anything. There are a lot of people that just use chrome. But you really aren't gaining anything when you use googles extra glowied up version. And a lot of them use it without even thinking about it. But really the core of chrome (and the others that have proprietary components), is supported by chromium which an open source project. And sure, browsers are bloated and shit in their own way, but that's a different complaint.

Or if you go on any website that has video content. It's almost certainly going to be using ffmeg. That's a free software project. No one stops to complain that they aren't using a proprietary library to watch their video. Because ffmpeg does it's job well.

There are a ton of similar examples you can find. If you look at the things people are using constantly, but aren't bothering to think about what they are using. Because they are just the default options that everyone uses. Because they work well. (like ublock origin, yet another example, it's pretty much accepted to be the best option for an adblock).
 
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Like microsoft edge.
so funny story, do you know why firefox has such a bad track record with bugs and rendering?
top 100 sites will keep a stat page for every user agent that uses their website. if your browser dips below a certain threshold they pull support for your browser. thats why IE11 was supported for so fucking long was government and enterprise pcs were still running windows xp and 7 for way longer than they should have been, and that was where a huge chunk of traffic came from.
microsoft edge was starting off really slow but lately has overtaken firefox on some of these websites, and pulling support for firefox has been on the table at a few meetings on at least 1 of these sites i know of, because nobody fucking uses it. and those that do are spoofing their user agent so it looks like they're running chrome on windows 10 instead.
web devs put in minimal effort to ensure firefox renders correctly, and if their marketshare dips any lower then chromium could very well become the only supported engine on most big websites, like you see on some web apps "we recommend using google chrome or x supported browser".
 
When or if should I distro hop?
Whenever you fancy it (with caveats I shall mention shortly)
Would I get significantly more performance out of, say, CachyOS with my Ryzen 7 7735HS and Radeon RX 7700S?
Well, no. Bear in mind that the difference between Linux distros is pretty much skin-deep: Versions aside, they are all running that same kernel, the same graphics drivers, and 90% of the other shit that makes up an OS. Hopping linux distros is not like switching between Windows, OSX, and Android.
The big difference you'll notice (assuming you don't change GUI) is the package management being different, even if the packages are the same.
You may then develop autism over default file managers, config files, and a profound loathing for Lennart Poettering, but these things take time.

So, swap at will.

The caveat is, once you've used one distro for a bit, all your shit will be on that distro and unless you have sufficient juju to reinstall everything except /home you are in for a session. So I suggest hopping on a spare or virtual machine until you ready to kill some time.

Amazon Basics have have a 256G USB drive for $21.
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Ask me how I know...
 
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I'm assuming you went to amazon.com and searched for usb drives and found their store brand one?
That's a reasonable assumption, yes.

Edit: Amazon basics are kinda like Kirkland from Costco.
Amazon aren't manufacturing shit, and neither are Costco:
But if a manufacturer wants to get that contract, they need to be able to produce mid-range shit at mid-range prices, in bulk and with minimal returns.

I don't give a fuck if it's made by the Jirou corporation in Shanghai, I want it delivered within 6 hours, I have shit to back up.
 
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As for the Eric video, I disagree with the GIMP UI being a mess, I found using Photoshop UI design being worse and more confusing, maybe if I put more time in it I would have gotten used to it, but I find GIMP to be easy to use.
It's literally just "I grew up with X, why is Y so awkward?".
I used Photoshop growing up as a kid so much, I can't get into GIMP. And you were probably the opposite.
 
While I kind of hate Amazon as a corporation, their Basics products are actually generally pretty good and at a good price. This is no exception.
There is also the fact that if you're ordering them from Amazon, Amazon is more likely to prevent the supply chain for Amazon Basics 256gb USB drives from being infiltrated by counterfeits that are actually 2gb SD cards in an enclosure than they would real brands.
 
This whole discussion is forgetting the best Linux video editor. Blaming the users for having issues with ur software is gay and retarded and not a good attitude. It’s wrong to think that users are always right, but blaming them for not understanding a convoluted interface is silly.
Linux apps are stuck in one of three design ruts, imo. CLI tools which are built on software stacks designed in the 1980s (or stacks intended to imitate them) and the UI philosophies to go with them, GUI tools which are designed to imitate the looks of proprietary OSes without understanding the thinking that goes into their design, and tools which start with a base of either of the previous two and add some power and extensibility through scripting and plugins (aka the Emacs model). In every case, some of the software is good and has a good UI, some of it is terrible and a pain to use, and most of it is middling quality.
Each of these models have their plusses and minuses. CLI tools haven’t really gotten much better over the decades, but they haven’t gotten any worse. Mimicking other OSes can be done atrociously, but it can also be done well and those OSes are popular for a reason. The third model is really a sidegrade to the others, and doesn’t fix their underlying problems.
 
"To a non-programmer [GitHub] is basically impenetrable". Is it really? Are we at a point where "non-programmers" are illiterate now?
My friend asked me how to download code from GitHub because there was no release page to download binaries from.

FYI, the code download button is a massive, overly green button that you cannot miss. He’s also not massively retarded.

I'm sorry, I just despise both windows and even linux users glazing over Davinci as like the only video editing software people only use.
Every single fucking editor crashes whenever it feels like it to the point I have caught severe and morbid autism by spamming CTRL+S with every change I perform. It does help with not having freakouts after the program doesn’t feel like it anymore and kicks me out.

Vegas Pro has been shown to work fine on Linux without any binary modifications so I’m quite confused as to why MAGIX hasn’t even tried to port it over, even minimally, the userbase would probably love a first party port rather than something kerfuffled with Wine.
 
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