The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

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It might need to also be a combination of something their IT team can support, access to the applications deemed necessary for work (if not just using a web app for everything), and driver support for their existing hardware so that the don't need to spend a fortune replacing hardware with nearly identical hardware.
10+ years is the key. It might make more sense, but anything government moves at a glacial pace and requires insane amounts of funding. Distrohopping by yourself is fine, distrohopping an entire police force is a nightmare in the making.
Turbo autism research project is far from ready for prime time
I would actually beg to differ. Declarative OSes like Nix or Guix are the perfect answer to both issues. Guix itself can be run on most stuff via nonGuix giving you proprietary drivers/microcode/kernel access, and can be installed declaratively across however many systems you like from a remote host via Guix deploy. Sure, you can also use Ansible, but that's also Red Hatware. We MVST do our duty to the Guix world and peer pressure Ludo into petitioning the French government to adopt Guix as their backbone OS. Viva la Guile!
 
How did you all learn this shit to the point it doesn't just break you. The idea anybody could have done this without assistance just seems arcane and mystical to me.

Simple: you just keep trucking. The moment you give in, you forfeit all your git gud cred. You go hollow in Dark Souls parlance. My first forays into Linux were back in 2011 with a piece-of-shit Windows-rotted hand-me-down family PC from 2007. It was either I wait 5 minutes every boot, plus 10 minutes for all the startup apps to load, plus another 5 minutes for Microsoft Works (not Word, Works) to load up so I could do my homework for class... or I just wipe everything and install Ubuntu 10.04 on it, and actually do all my shit on time via OpenOffice.org (later LibreOffice). I had the benefit of being a terminally online minor at the time with no social life who also scared the hoes. When you acquire knowledge that young when your ass is against the wall, it never quite leaves you.

My pain's not unique either. @larossmann literally wrote the Self-Hosted Bible because:

a) He's been using Linux in some capacity since 2002, self-hosting servers since 2005 learning through the trial by fire.
b) He's taken enough umbrage with turbonerds obfuscating meaningful information through technobabble.

Pain is part and parcel of using Linux in any conceivable fashion. Even the guides where stuff is written in plain English flat-out say "this is gonna suck, here's why it will suck, we're gonna do it anyway because the benefits outweigh the drawbacks."
 
Pain is part and parcel of using Linux in any conceivable fashion. Even the guides where stuff is written in plain English flat-out say "this is gonna suck, here's why it will suck, we're gonna do it anyway because the benefits outweigh the drawbacks."
Learning to use Linux is learning if you can handle what amounts to techno masochism, with massive rewards depending on what you are trying todo.
 

I hadn't heard about this at all. This is actually a pretty cool announcement. I don't know what the state of it will be, and I especially don't know how it will work with a lot of hardware, but if I manage to end up with hardware that I can make work with it I might give it a shot at some point.
 

I hadn't heard about this at all. This is actually a pretty cool announcement. I don't know what the state of it will be, and I especially don't know how it will work with a lot of hardware, but if I manage to end up with hardware that I can make work with it I might give it a shot at some point.
AFAIK only Debian Hurd can successfully boot X11, and even then the packages are pretty barren. But what's important is that the boots are on the ground. Mark my words, one day, we VILL have a 100% GNU system.
 
My first forays into Linux were back in 2011 with a piece-of-shit Windows-rotted hand-me-down family PC from 2007. It was either I wait 5 minutes every boot, plus 10 minutes for all the startup apps to load, plus another 5 minutes for Microsoft Works (not Word, Works) to load up so I could do my homework for class... or I just wipe everything and install Ubuntu 10.04 on it, and actually do all my shit on time via OpenOffice.org (later LibreOffice).
I used extremely old PCs when they were much slower and I learned every trick of how to get Windows 95 faster and have as many features from Windows 98 as I could because running 98 on a 486 was slowsville. When I got somewhat newer PCs (Pentium 3 when AMD64 was all the rage) I ran Windows 2000 because it eeked out noticeably more perf than XP.

I spent a few couple years trying to make Linux work for that PC and one I built myself but I ended up spending so much time fiddling with things -- it's very much the PC equivalent of ricing up a car. Boy do you want that spinning cube even though you don't really use multiple workspaces. What I ended up learning is if I had just stuck with running 2000 or a slimmed down XP I would have been way better off, and it's not like I came out of those years an expert at piping things into awk or sed or whatever; it took working with Linux in a limited server env for years to develop that sort of thing. I learned very arcane xorg.conf tricks nobody cares about and investigation skills at best.

I'd have to imagine a 2007 PC with a low end Celeron would run circles around the PCs I was bootin' around with, with a clean XP install it'd fly. Still would have been faster than a 2011 era netbook.
 
I love Linux but not being able to use excel and office suite is a massive pain. LibreCalc is a piece of shit compared to excel and using it is inferior to going online and using google sheets. I hate windows but it's superior in being a work computer

If you’re lucky enough to have a job with Office 365, don’t be afraid to use the web browser version of Excel. LibreOffice is excellent for Word and PowerPoint… but Calc was always utter dogshit even during the OpenOffice.org days. If your workload advances past high school research papers or college presentations, LibreOffice is gonna give you a bad time. SUPPOSEDLY… OnlyOffice has better Excel compatibility and functionality, but I never had the chance to test that at length.
 
If you’re lucky enough to have a job with Office 365, don’t be afraid to use the web browser version of Excel. LibreOffice is excellent for Word and PowerPoint… but Calc was always utter dogshit even during the OpenOffice.org days. If your workload advances past high school research papers or college presentations, LibreOffice is gonna give you a bad time. SUPPOSEDLY… OnlyOffice has better Excel compatibility and functionality, but I never had the chance to test that at length.
Thanks for the advice. I'll try that out.
 
When i tried Zorin OS the welcome app offered OnlyOffice Desktop and honestly I wish more Linux distros did that as it was literally the first time I've heard of OnlyOffice and since then I install it on every computer I use
I think Linux distros should come with Microsoft 360 and Candy Crush to make them appeal to Windows 10 users.
 
Thanks for the advice. I'll try that out.
When i tried Zorin OS the welcome app offered OnlyOffice Desktop and honestly I wish more Linux distros did that as it was literally the first time I've heard of OnlyOffice and since then I install it on every computer I use

JFYI: OnlyOffice Desktop downloads (Official GitHub page). Official binaries outlined there and as below. Debian, Red Hat, and assorted derivatives are covered, and there's also the obligatory Snap, Flatpak, and AppImage for distro-agnostic stuff.

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@Ruined by the Rain: JFYI - neither Google Sheets, LibreOffice, nor OnlyOffice support VBA (re: Excel) macros. VBA macros are basically wholly unique to Microsoft Excel. All non-Excel spreadsheet programs will lack this functionality and there ain't two ways around it. That said, OnlyOffice allegedly preserves your Excel workbook's formatting and any nested formulae in ways that LibreOffice completely shits the bed on. If you're doing any macro-heavy work on proper Excel workbooks... yeah just stick with Excel 365. It's apparently free for personal use via web browser through your Microsoft account; just logged in to check on my own and it seemingly does... but your tolerance of Copilot and forced plugs to part with cash may vary..

I think Linux distros should come with Microsoft 360 and Candy Crush to make them appeal to Windows 10 users.

Gtfo with your pathetic bait, you threadshitting nigger.
 
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OnlyOffice looks impressive at first glance, but printing documents landscape is broken and it gets the paper orientation wrong. They acknowledge the issue in response to Github bug reports and Reddit posts, but seemingly have no interest in fixing it. If basic printing functionality doesn't work, I wonder what else they are fucking up?
 
OnlyOffice looks impressive at first glance, but printing documents landscape is broken and it gets the paper orientation wrong. They acknowledge the issue in response to Github bug reports and Reddit posts, but seemingly have no interest in fixing it. If basic printing functionality doesn't work, I wonder what else they are fucking up?
its still a shit business that would love to act like microsoft and lock users in their ecosystem with proprietary file formats. Im hoping the upcoming nextcloud fork will be better about open source as well (they have actual working build instructions even)
 
i use freeoffice btw
it has the only word processor besides micropeen's that doesn't multilate and rape my word documents
Again, this is why we need to have this discussion. I never even fucking heard of FreeOffice before but it sounds like it would be even better then OnlyOffice so I'll try it out. Looks like there's a paid version called SoftMaker Office but it's set up so that FreeOffice is good enough for most people.
 
Again, this is why we need to have this discussion. I never even fucking heard of FreeOffice before but it sounds like it would be even better then OnlyOffice so I'll try it out. Looks like there's a paid version called SoftMaker Office but it's set up so that FreeOffice is good enough for most people.

There's a whole bunch of standalone word processors, presentation creation, and spreadsheet applications, not to mention competing wholesale office suites, within the broader realm of GNU/Linux. Xubuntu and Lubuntu often eschewed full fat LibreOffice altogether for some of these standalone programs once upon a time. Concerning LibreOffice's "hegemony" among FOSS programs, that wasn't an accident or a coincidence. It's merely the latest iteration of the same FOSS office suite that derive from the efforts of Sun Microsystems.

The original suite from Sun Microsystems was StarOffice, which later metamorphosed into OpenOffice.org. OOo was actually game changing for its time because it was just functional and robust enough to actually... y'know do substantial office/student work and just compatible enough with Microsoft Office to allow for some semblance of interoperability. If you couldn't afford the $400 license for Office 2003/2007/2010, and you found Microsoft Works fucking useless, then OpenOffice.org was basically the "go-to." Not just on Linux, but also Windows and OSX.

When Oracle Corporation bought out Sun Microsystems in 2010, ownership and stewardship of OpenOffice.org was transferred over to the Apache Foundation, who basically just let it rot on Apache Incubator from 2011 through 2014, only then coming out with the first official version of Apache OpenOffice. LibreOffice, in this context, emerged in late 2010 when the vast majority of the developers forked the OpenOffice.org code, rebranded it as "LibreOffice," and created a non-profit called The Document Foundation explicitly for the sake of being the new governing body for the LibreOffice project responsible for its stewardship.

A huge part of why LibreOffice is simultaneously good and bad is that it inherited a ton of legacy code and assumptions going all the way back to its StarOffice days. Back then, you just needed an office suite that could handle word processing, presentations, and basic spreadsheets in a roughly similar manner to Microsoft Office. StarOffice was originally meant for SPARC computers running Solaris, and it eventually broadened its scope to cross-platform development on Linux, and later Windows and OSX once the transition to OpenOffice.org happened. The moment it escaped the confines of SPARC workstations using Solaris, we had the broader public becoming aware of it as a viable Office replacement. More emphasis was placed on bridging the gap with Microsoft Office compatibility. Word and PowerPoint are more or less adequate (some formatting and fonts get garbled, but let's be blunt here: you're more than able to fix that before printing or exporting as PDF), but Excel is always the huge sore spot.

It really can't be understated just how entrenched VBA macros are within the professional and enterprise spaces. Reference Excel workbooks created by some douchebag 20-30 years ago on Office 1997-2003 are still in commission, and form the backbone of basically any white collar professional office environment. The last time that anything got "renovated" was with Office 2007 and the advent of Office XML formats (re: docx, xlsx, pptx), and those Excel 2007 workbooks function just fine on Office 365. There's no impetus to pivot unless upper management forces corporate IT to pivot over to Google Workspaces and fuck up everyone else's workflow for the next few years.

As much as I'd hate to say it: Google Workspaces basically did the OpenOffice.org/LibreOffice shtick better, and this was long before the "Workspaces" branding emerged. Even Google Docs was fucking revolutionary at the time it launched (circa late 2010 when it was no longer a beta test iirc). Suddenly, I no longer needed a flash drive with my school work to the public or school libraries. I could just fire up a private Internet Explorer window, log in with my Google account, and have everything available right then and there with Office XML compatibility and WYSIWYG PDF creation. Google Sheets ain't VBA compatible in the slightest, but the formulae and syntax was almost there. Plus the macro language it used was JavaScript, so it's not like you were hurting for flexibility. Google Sheets became the prominent medium for reference spreadsheets on the internet, and Excel still retains its hegemony in the broader world of enterprise and professional computing.

I don't wanna shit on LibreOffice so much because it bailed my ass out of so many rough spots as a broke teenager doing high school and later college assignments with LibreOffice Writer and LibreOffice Impress... but that's probably like 35-40% of an office suite's value all things considered. They got all this extra stuff that no one asked for, like Draw, Base, and so on... but Calc's still total dogshit ass compared to Excel 365 (which is now free for Microsoft account holders) and Google Sheets (again, also gratis and more robust). You never know a spreadsheet application's true value until you've tried utilising macros with nested formulae across multiple pages of the same workbook. Excel does it well 90% of the time, Sheets is the next best bet at 9.95%, and then the remaining 0.05% is... literally every fucking FOSS program under the sun that still can't agree on how to handle macros and nested formulae.
 
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