The Matrix Resurrections Thread - Woah

[frozenrunner]

Saw it last night.

It's an unnecessary movie, but if a sequel was going to be made (and it seems that's the case), this was a neat way to do it. It's a much more interesting movie than Reloaded or Revolutions. It's nowhere near the original film or the best stories from The Animatrix, but its narrative failures are at least attempts at something ambitious and creative. I appreciate that more than a flawlessly executed conventional sequel.

Cons: inferior choreography and often muddled action, a weirdly low budget feel at times, acting quality is all over the place, too many "flashbacks" to previous films (though I understand why they did it), feels oddly smaller in scope despite big set pieces

Pros: a great script (I like the meta stuff a lot), doesn't disrespect the previous films or push a woke agenda (in fact, you can argue it's quite the opposite), expands on the world of The Matrix films in interesting and logical ways, lots of social commentary on modern people that's unexpectedly biting

I recommend it, cautiously. It is taking the Matrix ideas and doing something different with them.

 

[StevieLasVegas]

Why do you faggots keep giving this movie that is bad, and was literally always going to be bad, money?
I won't go back and do this, but from this point on: Unless you explicitly state that you sailed the high seas to watch this (and I personally wouldn't even do that to watch this.), if you say that you watched this movie and didn't like it, I'm going to give you the puzzle piece that you are clearly asking for when you make such a statement.
When you reward garbage by giving it money, you have nobody to blame but yourself when you get even more garbage.
I know stickers are literally worthless here, and in fairness if you say that you paid money to watch this and you actually liked it... I'm not here to take that from you. I might give you a different sticker depending on what you actually say, but I can promise you, it won't be the puzzle piece. XD

Joke's on you. I used a movie pass to see the film, so the only money I spent that night was for popcorn.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Joke's on you. I used a movie pass to see the film, so the only money I spent that night was for popcorn.

So you still signalled to the cinema (and thus the production company), that this is the kind of movie you want to see in the future.

Well done.

 

[Johan Schmidt]

I pirated it and I want my money back. Film was absolute dogshit. The plot was nonsense, none of the characters mattered; the 'conflict' wasn't particularly conflicting. Shit was unironically atrocious.

 

[Michael Wade]

Its almost like the Wachowskis haven't made a good movie since the Clinton administration, and were forced to make another movie because they haven't made a profitable movie since the Matrix sequels.

Seriously, between Speed Racer, Cloud Atlas and Jupiter Ascending flopping the way they did, I think the Wachowskis have lost Warner Brothers damn near a billion dollars.

The sad thing is Speed Racer is actually a pretty fun movie.

 

[Sho'nuff]

Its terrible.
The Wachowskis try to be clever and they were never really that smart to begin with, this try hard mentality permeates the entire film, from the awful meta "remaking the matrix" montage in the first 20 minutes of the film to the absolute dog shit Rage cover that plays over the end credits, the whole movie is shit and really doesn't have any saving grace.

 

[Ahriman]

 

[Oats12345]

You know, I don't think the writers understand that you can't "reclaim" the Red Pill.

Also, this:

You can never re-claim a good meme like that. Also apparently they were only saying this shit so they could get wokies to watch the movie.

Maybe the real Matrix superpower is the menopause
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Is there a squeaky-voiced Jewish midget in this movie or nah

Wait seriously. They dont like the term "facts don't care about your feelings" because it reminds them that their not real women.

I think when the sex change happened they had their brains removed also - or maybe the hormone treatments just fucked their brains up anyways. They utterly suck at making films and should be branded poison.

Perhaps they think that if the can put on a fancy dress that makes them women, and think that putting on fancy CGI makes a film too.

That's my theory on why their shitty directors now.

 

[Cubanodun]

I watched the rip of HBO max and time to vomit my autism here because i need it

Spoiler: Im kind of a expert in [consoomer_franchise]

1. The movie feel butchered in a weird way, feels like the troon did not have much to say or do that is why it feels so weird, i think the only concession WB did is giving Niobe a girlfriend and one of the crew making a joke about Neo being old and stopped there
2. Now for the updates, Landlines are not longer needed to disconnect from the matrix
3. Mankind for some reason has the same ability as the Keymaker of opening portals all around the matrix, how it happened when this is a total new matrix and almost all the old programs including the Oracle were purged is a mystery
4. The pacing is weird, for example there is barely a moment between Neo being disconnected and being forced to be plugged in the ship because his mind is having withdrawals for being connected for so much time and being forced to be bluepilled for 60 years, then literally minutes after that he fight Cyber Morpheus
5. Matrix Online canonicity is nebulous at best, it is implied that it happened but the events dont touch to much about it, so is confirmed he survived the shooting by the fly program and managed to return to Zion to be the leader of the council, but is implied that the super fortress that was Zion 2 was destroyed in the war between machines
6. Neo get force powers now like a shield and a force blast because reasons
7. The joke about Matrix being a videogame and going full zoomer was annoying as shit, but is more fun when you know the last game of Matrix irl was Path of neo that was, you guessed it a complete retelling of the 3 movies with some extras
8. The oracle being wiped out was gay as shit she was the one that made the plot flow in the other 3 movies and games
9. But the architect also got wiped out, the new one is just a sadist that believe manipulating emotions is the way to go because it produce more energy also he manage to cuck the one powers, the idea of overly emotional people being useful for the bad guys is a kind of instropect i did not expect for Larry
10. The Merovingian being around doesn't surprise me when you know the fact that he was the architect of the second version of the matrix and he having survivors of the old version doesn't surprise me either because it had shitload of old programs in the first 3 movies like the twins
11. At some point like someone in my discord said, this movie looks like the first version was to make Bugs the protagonist but because no one liked the idea of people sidelining Keanu she got demoted to secundary, at least she got some fight scenes
12. Why the weapons sounds like all of them have silencers?
13. Programs being able to interact with the real was weird stuff
14. But im not surprised about machines collaborating with humans, considering there was a precendent in the Animatrix so the idea was there
15. Smith line of "anyone could have been you" is a reference on the Matrix online where is stated that the machines breed and create Ones just for the purpose of fulfilling the cicle of reboots
16. No explanation of why Trinity has One tier of powers now but is still hilarious
17. I want The Catrix to be real
18. Smith not being the original is also fucking gay

 

[EmpireOfTheClouds]

Dear lord.
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https://twitter.com/coteaucooper55/status/1474202309605437443?s=21

When you make a movie with the mindset that "this is what they need, not what they want", you're setting the movie up for failure. You're placing an impossible atlas on its shoulders and because of that, it'll crush under not just the weight of "what they need" but also audience expectations.

Spider Man No Way Home was fantastic because it wasn't made with either mindset. The fanservice was used to service the story. Everything felt like part of a bigger picture.

 

[That Chris Guy]

Saw it last night. Here are my takes:

Spoiler: Various thoughts

- No, Reloaded and Revolutions are way better than this. It may have some decent ideas and potential, but there is something to be said about how much of an impact better cinematography, choreography and dialogue has on an action film. The other two were more complete packages despite their shortcomings, whereas this one feels broken, disjointed and lacking the cinematic panache the Wachowski Brothers (or rather, just Andy) were previously able to give.

- The initial concept is solid: The originals were a successful game series and Neo is now struggling with a psychotic meltdown he had during their development, which led him to perceive the real world as being part of the Matrix, further aggravated by his director asking him to start work on a sequel that he didn't want to create. It's a little slow-burning but competent idea that should have been further fleshed out before dropping off the deep end.

- There is something to be said about aping your own films' scenes. From beginning to end they take something out of the original trilogy and slap it in there, whether it's from flashbacks involving stock footage, or from copying the same scenes with some minor deviation. There is just so much of it that it becomes obnoxious, and you only get like one or two unique things from this film while the rest is literally taken from the earlier films. It feels rushed when it needed a lot more time in the think tank coming up with its own material.

- Keanu Reeves and Carrie-Ann Moss were fine to me: Reeves picks up the role of Neo again like he never left, and Trinity never gave me the impression of an actress out-of-touch with the original conception. Neil Patrick Harris was the best actor - it's no coincidence that he's in most of the best scenes of the movie, and he sells his role as the Analyst perfectly.

- The movie is shot in a way that is jarring in comparison to the other three films. Where the others were shot deliberately and had key elements that brought them together, the "improv" and natural lighting of this new entry do not give off the impression of a Matrix film. There are no camera angles or competently-shot action that makes it different from any other film, and the lack of green lighting for the Matrix or blue lighting for the real world means that the real world looks far brighter and less claustrophobic. They also use blurring and the Analyst moves in a stuttering fashion when he is meant to be moving fast - both very strange choices considering neither film techniques were used for the other films.

- On that last point, the action involves more jump-cuts, less cinematic trickery and feels slower and more bogged-down - all bad things. You don't get a sense of damage as the worst that any protagonist gets is a bleeding nose/mouth, and showers of bullets magically never hurt even the most basic of protagonists. The sheer amount of gunfire means that some of these characters should *definitely* be getting killed, yet it never happens. You don't get a sense that they're faster or that it was blind luck or quick thinking that saved them; they just survive because the plot wants them to survive.

- None of the main cast die; not even the main villain. Bugs should have died at the very beginning from all the assault rifles opening up on her as she leapt behind the truck. A number of the protagonists should have died when the
Merovingian's goons attack - they're meant to be ancient and stronger yet they kill no-one. The swarms and divebombers kill no-one. Niobe didn't even die of an old-person heart attack. There is no urgency. If everybody lives, why should I be worried? What are the stakes here? It means action scenes come and go without tension or desperation, and you don't feel like they are running out of time or anything compels them toward its conclusion.

- Morpheus and Agent Smith are awkward changes that don't work very well despite the new actors' best efforts. They lack the screen presence of Fishburne and Weaving, so neither character had any gravitas. The idea of Smith temporarily siding with Neo was a curiosity that only Weaving could have sold - I was just not convinced. The Merovingian was just....bastardised. His goons didn't even do anything, I'm not even sure why they bothered including him when him being there resulted in absolutely nothing of consequence.

 

[Cubanodun]

"The first version of the Matrix was a paradise. It was a disaster. Whole crops were lost."

The first version of the Matrix was supposed to be a paradise where people were happy but it was happyness according for what machines understood it was for humans, aka not having any problem, no sadness, no pain, being mindless slaves, problem was, people thought that it was to good to be true (First renaissance), after that failure came the one where they were treated like absolute garbage, aka the spoopy matrix created by the merovingian, that shit also did not fly then came the third and the window xp of matrix where everyone got stable when a program was created to understand human psychology and it came with the understanding that as long as humanity was presented with the benefit of having a choice they would not reject the program because they believe they have free will

That program was the Oracle

Specifically that it's been 60 years and basically nothing has changed and everything our heroes fought and died for was utterly meaningless. Expect now they have CG robot buddies to hang out with I guess. But the Machines are still keeping people sedated, still connected to the Matrix, lying about the nature of their reality, there's still a resistance trying desperately to free people's minds, only one free city in the entire world, etc.

Neo did not manage to destroy the machines because it was not the point, he achieved a truce between both factions for peace, and machines offered that the matrix will keep going but humanity could leave as long as they want to, that is why now in 4 they are paddling a third factions coming to wreck shit because humanity is getting redpilled left and right and getting disconnected so now there is a energy problem between machines and are tearing itself apart because of it

 

[Pissmaster]

I'm honestly just surprised so many of you are giving The Matrix another chance, after everything past the first movie was well known to be anywhere from bad to atrocious.

honestly my favorite part is that they keep everything from the matrix online story arc. thats absurdly sweet, even if it clearly is whats pissing off everyone that isn't a hardcore fan.

Basically Lana is doing the opposite of what disney did with star wars, instead of saying "fuck it" to the EU, it said "everything in the EU happened and we're reminding the entire audience of that" which is crazy considering a vast majority of the Matrix's EU is either out of print or the websites are defunct and outside of archives and people retelling the stories like they were myths of old you won't actually be able to find the actual EU stuff. the Martix Online has been off line for at least a decade now.

You know, that's pretty cool. It adds to the mystique of the lore, and lets the few that actually played the game feel special for experiencing it first-hand.

 

[P.0.0.P]

mfs and their red pill BS. Take the woke pill.

 

[Getting tard comed]

Does this movie bombing mean the Wachoskis are done making movies? Who will give them any money to make anything now?

 

[PaulBearer]

Man, even here opinions seem to be divided between those that found it okay and those who found it to be an absolute piece of crap.

Having thought about the film a bit more, alongside seeing takes from people who claim it to be one of the worst films they've seen all year, like Geeks and Gamers, YellowFlash, The Quartering, and Mauler (all prime lolcow material), I really think that the opening 40 minutes really do not do this film any favors. It takes so long to actually get to the main action of the film, and that is also where nearly all of the cringe filled self-referential hipster moments occur. And the slow pacing does not help in the slightest. Even when it finally gets going, that first impression is a really important part of the viewing experience, and if it doesn't nail it, you can't really get back that groove unless you really work for it.

I think this is also why the action doesn't really feel as good as in previous installments. Because the film is so slowly paced in many sections, you want to be rewarded for your patience with some kind of epic payoff. The first film in particular pulled it off masterfully, giving you such amazing never before seen action setpieces that made it worth seeing multiple times. Even if the rest of the film wasn't the fast-paced and efficiently written work it was, it would still be all worth it to get to those scenes. Resurrections' action sequences by contrast, while not bad on their own merits (even if the camera work could've been a bit less shaky at parts), simply isn't enough to really make the wait feel all that worth it by comparison. It lacks that sense of build-up to them as well, alongside not doing anything particularly new, which is another reason they don't hit as hard.

With all that said, I still stand by my thoughts that it was entertaining enough, and I'm on the whole glad I saw it. It wasn't a complete wokefest like I was fearing, and did have some interesting new developments. But I completely understand why it is getting such hatred from many online. It's simply too flawed, what with how slow paced it is and not enough in terms of satisfying payoff to justify it.

No Yuen Woo-ping...that why the action sucks in Matrix 4, simple as that.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

No Yuen Woo-ping...that why the action sucks in Matrix 4, simple as that.

This. The action in the first film, Reloaded and Revolutions were guilty pleasures of mine, and I was worried when seeing the action in the trailer for this film.

 

[frozenrunner]

This. The action in the first film, Reloaded and Revolutions were guilty pleasures of mine, and I was worried when seeing the action in the trailer for this film.

It might not even be that the choreography is terrible but that it's shot so incompetently. Most of the time I couldn't tell where the fighting characters were in physical space. And I wasn't sure about the shape and dimensions of the places they were fighting, so I didn't really know how the action was playing out.

It's amazing how much info you subconsciously get from good camerawork. I don't know what went wrong in this movie (it isn't a bad looking film, generally), but all the action is less comprehensible than it should be.

Haven't seen the film, but I can see a good portion of humanity deciding to stay in the matrix, given the option. Besides how shitty the outside world is. There's learning to move again from zero will be extremely hard for most people, you might find yourself without any job because the thing you specialized in doesn't exist (and you have no money), your family might be in a different continent, and you will be the bottom of the social pole.

Part of the social commentary in this film is how now people want to "stay in their pods" (an actual phrase in the script) and enjoy what the matrix pipes into their brains. It's clearly a barb aimed at terminally online people (there are scenes of people together in physical spaces but staring at their phones) and branch COVIDians who would rather cower in their houses and let the governments of the world run things rather than live their lives.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Does this movie bombing mean the Wachoskis are done making movies? Who will give them any money to make anything now?

Paul Feig is still in Hollywood, so no. Hollywood nepotism.

 

[EmpireOfTheClouds]

Neo did not manage to destroy the machines because it was not the point, he achieved a truce between both factions for peace, and machines offered that the matrix will keep going but humanity could leave as long as they want to, that is why now in 4 they are paddling a third factions coming to wreck shit because humanity is getting redpilled left and right and getting disconnected so now there is a energy problem between machines and are tearing itself apart because of it

To be fair, that's one of many reasons that Revolutions was trash. On top of just being an hour of people shooting machines and another hour of two invincible people punching each other repeatedly, it apparently forgot that Neo was supposed to truly free humanity from machine control when all he did was ignite a "truce" between the two, which is just lazy writing. Humanity doesn't come out on top because there's absolutely no guarantee that the machines won't just go full Megatron and enslave humanity again, basically all Neo does is transfer them from one slime pit to another.