The Matrix Resurrections Thread - Woah

[Sex Cannon Lupa]

The fight coordinator came up with the straight armed, patterned gun 'kata' because that's how Karate kata look. The shitty flowing, anime looking style in Ultraviolet is all Kurt's vision.

Although Toombs Ferdinand Daxus was wonderfully cheesy.

UltraViolet needs a full-length making-of documentary. What an insanely inept piece of shit.

I wonder if the action would have been better if they had gone for an R rating instead of the bloodless G-rated crap they ended up with, because Wimmer absolutely sucks.

For comparison, check out the timestamped shootout in this MADE-FOR-TV MOVIE from 1996. Not a drop of blood, but holy shit it's so much better than anything in UltraViolet:

 

[Protistology]

UltraViolet needs a full-length making-of documentary. What an insanely inept piece of shit.

I wonder if the action would have been better if they had gone for an R rating instead of the bloodless G-rated crap they ended up with, because Wimmer absolutely sucks.

For comparison, check out the timestamped shootout in this MADE-FOR-TV MOVIE from 1996. Not a drop of blood, but holy shit it's so much better than anything in UltraViolet:

Holy shit, I actually felt tension. Thank you for sharing.

 

[Iceland Heavy]

TV Tropes users think Revolutions has been vindicated by history, with questionable reasoning as to why.

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That's a roundabout way of saying the Wachowskis are immune to criticism now that they trooned out.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Given that's literally been the Wachowskis signature move for a decade, I am genuinely shocked WB is surprised.

"Remember the Wachowskis?"
"The shmucks that haven't made a profitable movie since the last Matrix movie?"
"The morons whose last decade of work lost our studio more than a billion dollars?"
"The hacks behind one of the most expensive failures in the history of Netflix?"
"The pair of wackos where no other studio in Hollywood is dumb enough to keep offering them work?"
"What about em?"
"They still have those blackmail photos of us."
"..."
"..."
"... fine, sign off on another Matrix movie."

I am genuinely baffled as the decision making of Time Warner in the past decade. Almost ever terrible choice they have made in the past ten years or so has been a firey disaster. It seems like they are trying to kill themselves as a company.

 

[Herty]

TV Tropes users think Revolutions has been vindicated by history, with questionable reasoning as to why.

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I checked the page and there is nothing like that in it, either it is from another Matrix page or it is fake/bait
Check it: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/TheMatrixRevolutions



On the Matrix Revolution subject, it is an ok movie, simply by the fact that it did it's job as the last movie of a trilogy and tied in/resolved all the plot points and setups of the previous movies. Something which final movies in a trilogy often have problem doing, like Return of the Jedi (Even if i still love it because good old Palpie)

 

[ditto]

How can anyone hate a movie with this much pure cheese

 

[horni]

I consider Revolutions to be a much better movie than Resurrections, as there was an actual effort put into filming it. Often misguided and cheesy, convoluted and eventually anticlimactic, but they did, uh, something: there was a conclusion (where beloved characters were fucking killed), after some analysis the story can start to make sense:

and the fight scenes, especially the final one, took time, money and effort to make and were fun to watch.

None of the above I can say about Resurrections.

 

[Gilgamesh]

I'm just pissed how dirty they did The Merovingian. Pretty sure he had just 2 lines, complaining that Neo messed everything up (without clarifying how) and then sending his goons to try and kill Neo. SAD!

 

[The Un-Clit]

I checked the page and there is nothing like that in it, either it is from another Matrix page or it is fake/bait
Check it: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/TheMatrixRevolutions

I am guessing that this is taken from the forums somewhere rather then the wiki article itself. HAHAHAHA DISREGARD THIS, I SUCK COCKS!

It's still fucking retarded though.

 

[C0d3]

The Wachowski Brothers Sisters are probably going to implant some trans-progression arc in there.

30 years late to make *THAT* joke, they already had an undercover troon character in the 1999 film.
This is similar to JAY of RLM saying "The Matrix is a love story *NOW*" like nigger pay attention Matrix was *ALWAYS* a love story.

 

[Next Task]

I have a question for anyone still active on this thread.

Do you think Resurrections or Revolutions is better?

I think Resurrections is a more interesting failure, but Revolutions is a better film.

 

[LightDragonman1]

Both Revolutions and Resurrections imo suffer the same problem of getting too caught up in exploring themes and symbolism that they neglect the main story and characters. It's a problem I have with works such as the last two Rebuild Of Evangelion films (which, I must say again, had its last film be nearly identical to Revolutions).

For me, Revolutions is better made on a technical level and has better action (regardless of how much of it was just CGI mechs blasting CGI robot squids for half an hour), while Resurrections has least has a more conclusive ending and is more interesting to dissect. It's a case of pick your poison.

 

[Ahriman]

I know people slag on him a lot, but even filmmakers like Michael Bay realize that to make a truly epic action setpiece, you have to add in that extra element to really keep the audience engaged. The original film did that better than any other movie imo, so I don't know why that wasn't the case here. Even without Yuen Woo-Ping, the chance for adding that extra layer was still there, and they didn't take advantage of it.

For what I mean, I'll let Filmento (yes I know he's not exactly high quality) explain using the aforementioned Michael Bay as an example (8:53 to 13:21 of the video):

His words at 13:07 are especially applicable to why this film is underwhelming.

They give him a lot of grief, but Michael Bay has been on "auto pilot" for the last few decades, the Transformers movies were pretty decent popcorn kino, nothing more than that. Hell now that I think of it, my 9-year-old self would have creamed his pants with those movies, so as an adult I definitely enjoyed them.

He can make a good movie when he wants, "Pain And Gain" is proof of this.

Also, the "Purge" movies were all produced by him. So he has a damn good eye for action movies, and can make a fairly decent movie when he wants to.

 

[LightDragonman1]

His next film, Ambulance, does look really interesting, I must say.

Again, the fact that he knows how to make action engage the audience is something I respect, and I wish Lana did that extra element or something similar for Resurrections. She and her sister are usually really good at that too.

Methinks she was so caught up in the themes and trying to be all meta that she neglected the action part.

 

[Ahriman]

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

TV Tropes users think Revolutions has been vindicated by history, with questionable reasoning as to why.

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Holy abundance of weasel words, Batman!

"Some now consider..." fuck off. Some now consider the earth flat. Some now consider sulfuric acid enemas to be healthy.

And with that bullshit transphobia non-argument, let's not overlook this nonsense about "post-9/11 backlash against intellectualism". Holy fucking shit. The Matrix sequels aren't intellectual movies, they are trite action schlock with a thin veneer of philosophy at best. If those movies look intellectual to someone, that person is just highlighting how much of a troglodyte they are.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

I was not expecting the movie to have an end credit song ending by saying Malcom X was shot by the feds and it was blamed on Islam.

Sides still in orbit.

I'm just pissed how dirty they did The Merovingian. Pretty sure he had just 2 lines, complaining that Neo messed everything up (without clarifying how) and then sending his goons to try and kill Neo. SAD!

Oh it’s way better then that.

He bitches Neo messed things up, sends his goons to attack him, and spends the entire fight in the background still bitching at him.

It's hilarious.

 

[LightDragonman1]

I was not expecting the movie to have an end credit song ending by saying Malcom X was shot by the feds and it was blamed on Islam.

Sides still in orbit.

That was a remix of the credits song used for the original film, "Wake Up" by Rage Against The Machine. Frankly, it worked way better in said first film.

Also, found this in regards to TV Tropes and their Fridge Brilliance section of this film.

 

[JohnDoe]

I don't have a lot to add myself that hasn't already been said. The action was badly choregraphed, badly filmed, and badly paced - it lacked all tension and sense of urgency or space. Nobody dies, nobody even really bleeds except from the mouth in the Real World, people just splat into green for some reason? There is no threat, no Agents (except the ones in the 'modal' that are useless too) so why am I worrying? The movie just ambles around pointlessly for much of its runtime, and when it isn't wasting time with nothing or retreads its adding new, stupid bullshit that doesn't make any fucking sense in or out of context. Why the fuck does the magic machine AI cloud take the shape of a Jew and why were they needed to remake strawberries? Why are bipolar and/or senile negressess in charge of everything in Nu-Zion? What is with this energy subplot that didn't make sense in 99 and makes even fucking less sense now?

I can usually find something redeeming in almost any film, maybe it has some good shots, a decent fight scene, a smatter of good dialog or even a thought provoking concept somewhere in there. Like even the shitty Total Recall remake had some really nice art/set design and a cool concept of a 'through the Earth's core elevator' which were both wasted on that shitpile. This film has nothing that I can find interesting or even enjoy for a brief moment.

 

[LightDragonman1]

For me, I'm less angry at Resurrections, and instead feel melancholy.

Imo, the most tragic thing about film is that I can see what Lana was going for, and actually do find it interesting to talk about and dissect, purely in terms of the themes and meta-commentary. Heck, it even answers a few problems I had with Revolutions's ending, and at the very least doesn't disrespect the older entries. In fact, rather than going all woke as I feared, while there are a few elements where that seeps in, for the most part, the film instead encourages people to not kill off the past, but instead to learn from it and even embrace it. Definitely a refreshing message in an era where killing off anything related to the past purely in the name of "progress" and "moving on from the bigoted nature of the old" is so commonplace.

It makes it all the more disheartening that the execution simply isn't strong enough, and that the film is too slowly paced and lacking in stand-out action to really be all that effective. With a few more tweaks to the screenplay, more editing done to cut out a lot of the slower sections, especially in regards to that excruciatingly long 40 minutes, and more spice added to the action scenes, along with said action getting as much attention as all the themes and meta-commentary the film is too obviously more concerned with, this could've been a really awesome film.

Honestly, it's a real shame that at the end of the day, it really does deserve its 62% RT rating and 5.7 score on IMDB. It could've been so much more.