The new American right is worthless and is a failure by its own design.

[KittyGremlin]

In light of recent events, I've noticed that many American right wingers are mindless contrarians who have absolutely no intent on actually succeeding and it has never been clearer than how much they simp for Russia for apparently no reason. They do not know elementary facts about how Russia works, let alone lived near them or under them. At this point, globohomo has become the ultimate boogeyman and I'll be the first to say it. Country invaded? It's the Jews. Law got passed that you don't like? Must be Soros. Food arrived late? Had to be Israel tampering.

Not to deny disproportionate Jewish political influence but the fact that you're eager to jump on the first trad looking cock that is MORE authoritarian by any metric makes you look like someone who doesn't understand or intend to take part in actual politics, just likes to purposefully take up absolutely stupid beliefs so that you could forever feel exclusively enlightened over everyone else while in real world, most of the people you consider sheep aren't necessarily lacking in critical judgement, they simply don't gobble up media in unhealthy amounts and if they DID mindlessly consume MSM, Trump would never have been elected.

But you know who didn't win? You. I'm not going to go on an anti-Trump tirade, partially because I liked the guy until he threw a tantrum over losing, but also because that's the point where you put your fingers in your ears and ignore the rest of what I have to say: And it's that it is very hard to deny that Trump has achieved nothing. Leaving or reducing US role in NATO didn't go anywhere. Trade war with China changed nothing other than antagonize the countries. The Wall (TM) amounted to nothing. And guess who has a lot to benefit from the first two and a bit from the third? Won't name him but if you're this far along then you have the idea. Not to say the C word, but even taken at face value as expressions of an isolationist policy they didn't really return anything of value other than fuck up foreign relations.

And that's the case of the modern American Right. They stand for nothing other than antagonizing anyone and anything that crosses their poorly defined pseudo traditionalist-nationalist-isolationist values that make no coherent sense unless you're in that bubble and if you ever press them on an issue instead of giving you a straight answer they'll either dismiss you as a sheep outright or if you're (un)lucky go through unbelievable mental gymnastics to arrive at nonsensical justifications. They've become just as intellectually lazy as the leftists they vilify.

You have no values, you never put your balls on the line and you pretend that you're winning while you never really had any real values to defend or well defined goals to achieve. You just pissed off a pile of freshman university students and driven away many reasonable people from right wing thought which you whored out completely and wear as an empty fashion statement. And whatever you think of Ukraine, this doesn't change anything.

 

[Lady Rackets Ass]

Pot meet kettle

 

[Bixby Snyder]

They are afraid to piss off the mainstream media and afraid to anger their donor base. That’s why they have no principles, no real direction, and don’t act even when have power.

 

[Kornheiser]

I put my energy into helping conservatives campaign in local elections and it’s paid off. Politics are local after all. People here refuse to help local campaigns saying that they worthless but they affect you more then the federal level.

 

[Mayor Adam West]

Holy shit, that's a lot to unpack. First off great post and thought. As someone who unfortunately has a lot of contact with these people I think you're spot on. The only other thing I'd bring up is their obsession with race. It's not only immoral if you look at people like Spencer, Duke, or even Fuentes but it's also counterproductive. Ultimately I guess the question I'd ask is how exactly would you define the New Right. It's clear enough that people like Mitt Romney and Chris Christie aren't a part of it but what of people like Pence, De Santis, or even Trump himself? Are they a part of it or are we simply talking about Fuentes and his cronies?

 

[vanilla_pepsi_head]

You're not wrong, but getting invested in politics like it's a team sport and deliberately advocating for the exact opposite of what the "bad guy" party supports is in no way exclusive to the right. Anyone who'd skimmed the TDS thread knows it. People are retards and will actually convince themselves they agree with "their" party on every last fucking issue or even revise their opinions to align better with "their" party like it's some kind of package deal. In the case of the US both major parties are just each other's controlled opposition they distract people by taking opposing sides to a few wedge issues that make people sperg out, so they fail to notice the establishment intentionally keeps the country divvied up in a way that allows them to alternate who gets the presidency to maintain the illusion of choice while both sides pull strings for whichever corporations have lined their pockets recently.

But yeah people who change their opinions to live and die by the partisan divide are dumb shits who often don't realize they're doing it, let alone realize how trivial it is to manipulate anyone who shows that tendency.

 

[Whatevermancer]

I'm pretty sure new american right is all about "owning the libs le epic style XD".

 

[Red Hood]

I definitely agree with the mindless contrarian thing. Just because I don't agree with committing forces to Ukraine doesn't mean I have any love for Putin. It's not our business, we have our own serious issues at home.

You need actual values and an actual ideology. Mine is that I want more domestic production, more American jobs, less corporate fellatio and a crackdown on groomers. I want to live in an America I can be proud of, that isn't viewed as degenerate by half the known world, that doesn't bow it's head to the UN or OPEC or anyone.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Everything is turning into one side thinks one thing and the other side thinks the polar opposite on every single issue among the right and left, so it's no surprise that because the left supports Ukraine, you see people instinctively supporting Russia on the right which is a pretty bad look when you have Russians massacring innocent civilians.

Not everything needs to be an either/or thing, sometimes even the left is right about something.

As for the right government wise, Republicans are nothing more than controlled opposition playing boogeyman to help push globohomo agendas, Dubya, Rumsfeld, Cheney etc are just as much globohomo faggots as the Clintons, Obama, etc, the Iraq war was a travesty brought to you by the same forces that today give you trans kids and Pride month.

It's all the same shit, it's just that sometimes globohomo has to gets it's hands dirty with a war and Dubya's shitkicking, brush clearing cowboy persona was nothing more than a façade to help it happen.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

American right isn't bad because they don't want to nuke moscow and own the "reds", I don't give a shit about ukraine, it's either you're fucked by russia or the eu.

They're bad because they are cowards that like to protest by partying, yelling at buildings, hugging cops, and throwing money at grifters that tell them that they will "save the west."

 

[big ups liquid richard]

In light of recent events, I've noticed that many American right wingers are mindless contrarians who have absolutely no intent on actually succeeding and it has never been clearer than how much they simp for Russia for apparently no reason.

Others have noticed it too. This comes in handy.

 

[Jewthulhu]

IMO there is a serious lack of self-reflection in the new-right. I mean, having no sense of self-reflection seems to be a universal constant in politics, but it's especially egregious in the new right when they're supposedly the champions of tradition and spirituality against mindless hedonism. It's why you've got blind contrarianism that often contradicts their previously stated beliefs, "trad catholics" obsessed with violent white nationalism and catboys, and why they consider absolutely everyone sheep except themselves.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

I think the main issue with them "having no drive to succeed." Really isn't their fault. Their predecessors are neocon lunatics who try to guilt trip them if they don't fall in line with letting their country fall apart.

I don't think an isolationist policy is the major issue, it's how you achieve that isolationist policy. The problem with current US is it benefits the allies while taking one on the chin for mere peanuts or at the expense of everyone else.

In regards to pissing off reasonable people from the right, the new right wants this. They realize the political schism between left and right isn't working. The issue is most people aren't reasonable and many are brainwashed by the media they watch, (you don't have to be right wing to literally see this play out in real time) why to the majority of the population there is no deeper critical thought about most situations and hasn't been for years. Believe it or not the "old guard" right has chased far more people off of right wing thought with it's lack of convictions than the new right, where as the new right is inexperienced and immature and can at least be understood to an extent, the acting with no conviction or holding onto any traditions of the country or conserving anything of value is the one that's hard to excuse from the other groups on the right.

In regards to values, holding and more, most of the new right see it as pointless, if you'll be demonized, destroyed, blacklisted, and not succeed at pushing a value why hold it? The old guard isn't going to protect it and the left and other degenerate support groups are more than willing to destroy it so why bother?

As much as I believe in "all it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing" the problem lies when the entire society has become a cesspool what good is left to protect? They are left facing an entire loss, and watching propaganda win and their own civilization betray them while foreigners and traitors get rewarded.

It's easy to lambast the new right for it's failings, but ignore the other sectors of the right who made this whole slideshow/shit show possible.

The last issue not discussed is most of the "new right" aren't even right wing at all. Forced their by the left, which means the previous right wing failed not only at conserving and balancing it's own side, but gatekeeping as well.

In regards to the contrarian thing most of that comes from the youth, who have built an intolerance to their opposition, and can you blame them? All of it comes back to the "previous" right wing failing in its obligations, and political standings and duties.

 

[Mega Man II Intro - GB]

I liked the guy until he threw a tantrum over losing

But he won. The evidence is overwhelming. The fact that you can't see this invalidates everything you have to say. You pose as being smarter than others on politics but you can't see a plain fact. In the end you don't care about politics, you just want to be "right" so you picked a target and went on a rant.

 

[likeacrackado]

Oh you're all not like the other girls. If you think any of this dumb internet politics stuff matters you've still got your head in the sand.

Seriously, If you think internet retards represent real life politics, touch grass.

 

[Mega Man II Intro - GB]

Ultimately I guess the question I'd ask is how exactly would you define the New Right.

It hasn't emerged yet. There's conservatives, MAGA which is conservative-lite, and sensible people who tend to sound more like National Socialists than anything but can't get into office because times are still too good. The conservative/MAGA factions will not stop believing in fairy tales until reality hits them hard enough.

Internet discourse matters very little other than proving there are "people like you". Until the sensible people can win elections (or force their way into power through other means) it's all just talk. Nobody's going to talk pedophiles out of power.

 

[Mojo Thief]

Now that the left has defined itself with divisive identity politics and the globohomo, I think the right has the opportunity to take a lot of the moderate support base from the left if it dropped identity politics and established itself as the party of the people that work, at least in the U.S. This could be accomplished by doing the following:

1. Distancing itself from conspiratards and other moralizing wackos like evangelical Christians
2. Trumpist economic nationalism without calling it Trumpism - pushing for reshoring of factories and manufacturing expertise to get working folk into jobs that pay well and teach valuable skills, and not just serving as an Amazon warehouse serf for shit manufactured in China
3. Courting union members, especially those in manufacturing
4. Dropping the "dey tuk ur jerbs" mentality - hispanics who work tend to integrate pretty well and tend to have no love for the tranny-pushing, welfare-sapping leftists who they only vote for because they don't threaten to deport their families (which they do anyway, but voters don't tend to think that way).

Of course, this won't happen because of how other commenters have pointed out, the right has been reduced to a controlled opposition by those truly in charge.

 

[gang weeder]

Don't underestimate the potential of sheer contrarianism. A lot of the prevailing "woke" garbage was driven by sheer contrarianism, against what were perceived as the "traditional" norms. This is how such seemingly disparate groups like feminists and Muslims find common cause. They both oppose traditional cultural standards and this overrides any other interest and binds them together. Few things can unite and drive people as hard as having a real, genuine, common enemy.

With all of that said, I agree with the guy who said that there isn't really a "New Right" yet (if there will even be one). Check back in 2024 maybe. If we do actually get a new paradigm though, overt hatred and demonization of the left is probably the best identity I could imagine for a "new right." Because then we would actually be getting closer to aiming at the real problem (no longer debating policy, which is pointless and wastes energy, but rather aiming at (((who))) is ultimately behind anti-white policies).

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

Now that the left has defined itself with divisive identity politics and the globohomo, I think the right has the opportunity to take a lot of the moderate support base from the left if it dropped identity politics and established itself as the party of the people that work, at least in the U.S. This could be accomplished by doing the following:

1. Distancing itself from conspiratards and other moralizing wackos like evangelical Christians
2. Trumpist economic nationalism without calling it Trumpism - pushing for reshoring of factories and manufacturing expertise to get working folk into jobs that pay well and teach valuable skills, and not just serving as an Amazon warehouse serf for shit manufactured in China
3. Courting union members, especially those in manufacturing
4. Dropping the "dey tuk ur jerbs" mentality - hispanics who work tend to integrate pretty well and tend to have no love for the tranny-pushing, welfare-sapping leftists who they only vote for because they don't threaten to deport their families (which they do anyway, but voters don't tend to think that way).

Of course, this won't happen because of how other commenters have pointed out, the right has been reduced to a controlled opposition by those truly in charge.

The only problem I see is lack of moralization is why we're in the shit creek we're in. Doesn't have to be evangelical's but moralization and agreement upon those morals is severely lacking in today's society which is an issue something something slippery slope. 4. The adults who work may integrate well, but their children are often some of the worst criminal scumbags that society protects I've ever seen let alone welfare leeches who are the exact issue that the right has with them from personal experience, they're not the benevolent group they're painted as or drummed up to be. "They're just sincere workers." Uhuh sure. Also the fact they can be easily manipulated to vote in bad interests makes them a bad group to court in all seriousness.

Edit: Also in regards to the kids picking on White children is is going to lead to racial conflicts and going to start bringing up more race-conflicts by that metric.

 

[beet644]

SJW or what ever you want to call it is not a political movement but modern culture and the right is confused also scared how to fight it. ( the pill, gay marriage, ect can you even name a thing the right stopped?) Like the memes are funny and fun but the left wing memes succeed buy coming off as SmArT or tugging at peoples emotions. Also left wing politics really appealing to young people especially young woman. Then alot of young guys see what woman like and support it. (young guys 15 to 23 are natural simps) If you want to fight SJW culture is to let it run its course. AKA et it ruin society and the right can rebuild it. Sorry for my grammar I am tired from work and don't care.