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Who are you rooting for in Super Bowl 60?

  • New England Patriots

    Votes: 11 22.0%
  • Seattle Seahawks

    Votes: 25 50.0%
  • Team State Farm

    Votes: 1 2.0%
  • The Meteor

    Votes: 13 26.0%

  • Total voters
    50
  • Poll closed .
I doubt we'll ever see a stalwart, stonewall of a defense again.
We literally almost had a total shutout of a Superbowl because of how dominant Vic Fangio's defense is. Granted the Chiefs sucked this year and barely squeaked by in the majority of their games, so you could make the arguement it was just them hitting the outer limits if being able to pull off bullshit.
 
We literally almost had a total shutout of a Superbowl because of how dominant Vic Fangio's defense is. Granted the Chiefs sucked this year and barely squeaked by in the majority of their games, so you could make the arguement it was just them hitting the outer limits if being able to pull off bullshit.
I'm talking about throughout the season, but my "good defense threshold" can apply here. Apparently the Iggles defense deemed the Superb Owl mattered enough to curbstomp the Chiefs thoroughly enough to not give up any points until they were up by 34.

Pretty solid video with a few of the lesser mentioned points for why Shedeur fell to the 5th. There were a limited number of teams that even saw him as starting caliber in the first place and he may have nignogged himself out the discussion for those teams. Every other team that viewed him as a backup were never going to take him in the first 4 rounds. Those factors, alongside being overhyped right out of the gate, kinda set the stage for how a perceived 1st round pick falls like he did.
 
I feel like what is causing people to act so shocked about the Shedeur Sanders thing is that it never occurred to them that sports analysis can be just as corrupt as the rest of media. Deion was either outright buying positive press for Shedeur or people were just doing it out of love for Deion. It was the same reason why people were fawning over Deion as a coach when he first started with Colorado despite him finishing 4-8 with most of his wins being narrow and most of his loses being ugly blowouts.

It was obvious to anyone with eyes that Shedeur probably was a mid-round draft prospect at best. His huge ego and no one wanting to deal with the Deion circus is what killed any propping up he was given.
 
Now what's their long-term plan? No idea. There's been talk of a team located in Europe for years now, but I've got no clue how they plan to make the logistics work. They're definitely building the fanbases up, but teams are already fucking miserable over the associated travel. The Jaguars seem to have it down to a science, but any team that goes over there has to heavily alter their schedule regardless.
I think (hope) they're trying to build a larger fanbase for the league overseas before attempting something like NFL Europe again, maybe as a spring league serving as competition with the UFL.
Maybe this time try to get the ELF involved? Not working with the existing European league is a big part of why the first iteration of NFL Europe failed.

At least, I hope that's what they're doing, because the Seahawks are lucky if they're awake by the 3rd quarter playing games over there, especially in Germany. Really, if we're going to approach actual league expansion in a way that makes logistical sense, keep having Brazil games. North-South is way more feasible than East-West. Mexico City and Guadalajara could probably already sustain a team in terms of local support, it's a pity the peso is dogshit compared to the dollar.
 
I feel like what is causing people to act so shocked about the Shedeur Sanders thing is that it never occurred to them that sports analysis can be just as corrupt as the rest of media. Deion was either outright buying positive press for Shedeur or people were just doing it out of love for Deion. It was the same reason why people were fawning over Deion as a coach when he first started with Colorado despite him finishing 4-8 with most of his wins being narrow and most of his loses being ugly blowouts.

It was obvious to anyone with eyes that Shedeur probably was a mid-round draft prospect at best. His huge ego and no one wanting to deal with the Deion circus is what killed any propping up he was given.
P much. Deion got a lot of eyes on Colorado and Shedeur, but the draft media never took into account that it was largely due to the spectacle of it all. Though I'm convinced Deion has something on Mel Kiper or Jordan Schultz.

This college football dude has some a decent takes on it.
There is a decent consensus that Shedeur ranking was pegged higher by the media than teams. (i.e., More like 2nd-3rd round instead of top 10) The pool of teams open to drafting a potential starting QB was limited and the Sanders family bonked those opportunities with their shenanigans. Teams were skiddish of Shedeur venturing into the NFL without his dad and aren't confident he can be successful without Deion present, of only for the fact he's never had to learn to adapt to an environment without his dad being right there.

Apparently several teams didn't have Shedeur on their draft board, which makes sense. Since Shedeur was effectively fell into backup territory, the pool of teams was restricted to:

- Teams that had Shedeur on their draft board
- Teams that were interested in drafting developmental QB
- Teams that were comfortable with Shedeur as a backup
-Teams that are comfortable with the media that having Shedeur as a backup will bring

How many teams were really left that were open to drafting him after all those layers of considerations? (TBH, I'm really curious where he'd have landed of Haslem didn't interview) It's incredibly hard to force a QB-needy team to NOT take a swing at a risky QB prospect, in the 2nd or 3rd round no less, but he managed to fuck that up in spectacular fashion. While he's a case study for fucking up his entire draft process, it's hard to see a similar scenario happening again any time soon.
I think (hope) they're trying to build a larger fanbase for the league overseas before attempting something like NFL Europe again, maybe as a spring league serving as competition with the UFL.
Maybe this time try to get the ELF involved? Not working with the existing European league is a big part of why the first iteration of NFL Europe failed.
Who knows. The NFL is in a tricky spot because I'm sure they'd love a developmental league beyond college football, but they need to consolidate talent into a single entity.

Assuming neo-NFL Europe resembles old NFL Europe, they'd have to consolidate and integrate talent from somewhere like the UFL along with a local league. The former for talent on par with guys the NFL is sending over and the latter to get local buy-in along with potentially finding hidden gems. There's simply not enough talent to sustain multiple professional football leagus, or else the product on the field for all of them is atrocious.

The NFL REALLY needs to commit to an "NFL-approved" farming system before they intend to plant a development league anywhere though. The market is clearly there because spring leagues seem to pop up and disappear, sometimes without playing a game, yearly, at least until the UFL seemed to have sorted itself out. I think a big part of that is the football programs need time to actually develop as organizations so the product they put on the field isn't absolute dogshit.
At least, I hope that's what they're doing, because the Seahawks are lucky if they're awake by the 3rd quarter playing games over there, especially in Germany. Really, if we're going to approach actual league expansion in a way that makes logistical sense, keep having Brazil games. North-South is way more feasible than East-West. Mexico City and Guadalajara could probably already sustain a team in terms of local support, it's a pity the peso is dogshit compared to the dollar.
Oh God. Yea. I mean the NFL's first target is whichever market provides the best opportunity for expand. North/South America is WAY easier on the logistical side of things, but their efforts have definitely favored Europe. I'm not sure what their true intent is because they have the mid-season Europe stretch, the occasional South America game, and now, the yearly international season opener. Last year was Brazil. This year Australia apparently. My best guess is they're deadset on starting international expansion in Europe, but putting feelers out (via the season opener) for wherever's

But you're absolutely right on the difference between game time and viewing between places like Germany and PST. It's somewhat bearable as a short-term solution to roll with how it is now, but the league is gonna have to tinker around with scheduling so west coast fans aren't watching a game at 7 AM without alienating the local team's fan
 
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IDK, I'm just tired of the Shadookie chronicles at this point. Is there any sense as to who the "winners" and "losers" of the 2025 draft were, overall?

Looks like most teams did at least okay, even the Eagles and Chiefs were able to draft players that should help defensively. Even the Jets may not have shot themselves in the foot with their picks. Not a fan of the Patriots first round pick, but it wasn't outrageously bad, either, given they're a team where .500 this season is very much going to be a reach. And probably won't happen. I assume the Steelers have Rodgers wrapped up and ready to go, but aren't saying anything official so he can skip a good chunk of the preseason.

Cam Ward thanks Jesus to play for what appears to be a trainwreck of an organization in the Titans, he's probably gonna have a very tough year ahead of him assuming he's a day one starter. Will be interesting to see if TLaw is still TFraud with Travis Hunter, no idea how that will work out.
 
IDK, I'm just tired of the Shadookie chronicles at this point. Is there any sense as to who the "winners" and "losers" of the 2025 draft were, overall?

Looks like most teams did at least okay, even the Eagles and Chiefs were able to draft players that should help defensively. Even the Jets may not have shot themselves in the foot with their picks. Not a fan of the Patriots first round pick, but it wasn't outrageously bad, either, given they're a team where .500 this season is very much going to be a reach. And probably won't happen. I assume the Steelers have Rodgers wrapped up and ready to go, but aren't saying anything official so he can skip a good chunk of the preseason.

Cam Ward thanks Jesus to play for what appears to be a trainwreck of an organization in the Titans, he's probably gonna have a very tough year ahead of him assuming he's a day one starter. Will be interesting to see if TLaw is still TFraud with Travis Hunter, no idea how that will work out.
(with the caveat that the draft is a crapshoot and I am but a dork on the internet who knows none of these people)
Losers:
Colts draft was unimpressive, 49ers seem to be banking on a quick turnaround for a lot of project picks, I'm not sure the Bengals did enough to address their wet tissue paper of a defense, and even ignoring how drafting Sanders guarantees Cleveland is a sideshow next year, 2 QBs (even ignoring the obviously different desired outcome for each) and 2 RBs in one draft is pretty damned lopsided.
Winners (besides the Seahawks, because duh):
Raiders had a great draft for a Carroll-led team, I think the Pats stopped getting cute with their draft, and the Rams, damn it, went for an unsexy draft prepping for 2026 like they probably needed to do.
 
What was he even accused of? Something like getting drunk on a plane and getting handsy with some airline employee?
Apparently not enough for him to be a savior at kicker for GB. We've been a mess ever since the Silver Fox left, God bless his name and God bless the McManus for intervening the dumpster fire that followed Crosby. Anders Carlson was a bum and the randos who followed were so inconsistent it made 4th down conversions less risky than a field goal attempt.
Not a fan of the Patriots first round pick, but it wasn't outrageously bad, either, given they're a team where .500 this season is very much going to be a reach.
He scored a lot of points with the "I'll fight and die" for Drake Maye comment. On the list of things I want an O-linemen to say, it's probably at the top.
Cam Ward thanks Jesus to play for what appears to be a trainwreck of an organization in the Titans, he's probably gonna have a very tough year ahead of him assuming he's a day one starter. Will be interesting to see if TLaw is still TFraud with Travis Hunter, no idea how that will work out.
There's a certain je ne sais quoi with the Titans selecting a 1st round QB. A #1 overall no less. When Steve McNair is the guy you point to as best QB in franchise history (Titans, not Oilers), you should probably reevaluate how you draft and develop the position.
Cleveland is a sideshow next year, 2 QBs (even ignoring the obviously different desired outcome for each) and 2 RBs in one draft is pretty damned lopsided.
Cleveland is a very good and sound football team that can afford to spend excessive draft capital at luxury positions.
Winners (besides the Seahawks, because duh)
Losers for the same reason.

From a fan perspective, I think GB drafted pretty well. We drafted the (debatably) #1 WR and addressed every significant gap without giving up too much perceived value.

The Rams and Browns got additional 1st round draft picks next year too. I'd consider that a W as far as the Arch Manning sweepstakes are concerned.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=PEYxXObqde0

Why this man isn't prepping his resume today and looking for a new job is beyond me
The only explanation I've got is that ESPN thinks people immediately associate the NFL draft with Mel Kiper. Personally, I associate him with being a massive retard who doesn't know anything about football or the draft, but I'm not ESPN's target demographic. The man was advocating the NFL banning 2 high safeties last season FFS.
 
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For two years Deion and the media were trying to psyop everyone into believing that Shedeur Sanders was this franchise 1st round QB. Shedeur didn't go in the 1st round, he fell to the 5th, in a draft where the QB class was extremely weak, this is just so funny on so many levels.
 
Here's an article on a few Shedeur nterviews.

Shedeur Sanders

Let’s have an honest discussion about Shedeur Sanderssince there doesn’t seem to be a lot of that out there in the aftermath of Sanders falling first through Thursday night’s first round, then Friday night’s second and third rounds, all the way to the fifth round Saturday.

This starts with teams’ evaluations of Sanders as a player. The story we had on Tuesday on the quarterback class as a whole covered it. If you read that, you know it wasn’t easy to find coaches or scouts who viewed the Colorado quarterback as a first-round talent coming into the draft. He’s not a great athlete. He didn’t show great arm talent. He had bad habits in taking unnecessary sacks and bailing out of the back of the pocket. He had trouble playing on time in general and did things off-schedule that weren’t going to translate to the NFL.

That didn’t make him hopeless. But it did mean teams thought he needed a lot of work and, without overwhelming physical ability, he was going to have to find a fit to go first round.

Clearly, that fit didn’t exist for Sanders this year the way it did for Bo Nix last year.

So that covers why he didn’t go in the first (or even second) round. After that, it became about everything else. Once you get into the end of Day 2 and Day 3, players are seen as depth or developmental pieces. In the beginning, most have to grind just to ensure that their keycard will work the next day. Getting an increased opportunity to prove yourself has to be earned—and it takes resolve to keep building past the self-preservation point to eventually get a chance to compete to be a significant piece of a team on game day.

Before that happens, Sanders will be a backup quarterback. Teams generally want backups at that position to blend in with the furniture. It’s why guys such as Tim Tebow and Colin Kaepernick had trouble finding jobs, and why guys like Cam Newton and Jay Cutler struggled to extend their careers. You’ll put up with a lot of things that might come along with your starter. But most teams would rather have an anonymous guy who’ll stay out of headlines as backup QB than anyone who creates noise, whether it’s his own fault or not.

Maybe Sanders can be that guy, and maybe he will fade into the background and be supportive of whoever starts for the Cleveland Browns in the fall. He’s just never been that before, and his handling of the predraft process didn’t indicate to teams that he’d adjust to it well.

We do have a couple of examples.

A lot of times in combine meetings, teams will have a player’s worst plays ready for him when he enters the room and, along those lines, one had a particularly rough interception teed up for Sanders in Indianapolis. When asked to explain it, Sanders didn’t take blame. And as they dove deeper into it, and how it might relate to the NFL level, Sanders simply concluded that maybe he and the staff he was talking to might not be a match.

Ahead of another visit, he got an install with mistakes intentionally planted in it—done to see if a quarterback would catch them. Sanders didn’t catch them. A coach called him on it, and the resulting exchange wasn’t pretty.

And I think this is why teams saw Sanders carrying out what his father, Colorado coach Deion Sanders, said he would in trying to steer himself away from certain places. The idea, for a top pick, isn’t the worst concept. It’s something Eli Manning did a generation ago. The problem is that Sanders wasn’t considered the prospect he was built up to be by the people who matter—the ones who were doing the picking over the weekend.

So this approach to the draft process—handled like a high-first-round pick might handle his process (no combine, no on-field all-star game work, etc.)—hurt Sanders with some teams that might’ve considered taking him. Day 2 and 3 prospects generally have to impress everyone, because there are so many variables ahead of those slots that you never know who’s going to be in position to take you.

Instead, in this case, a lot of teams either had a tough experience with Sanders or didn’t have an experience with him at all. Which made it tough to spend a pick on him, because if you were looking for a developmental quarterback who’d be content to slide into the shadows and work at his craft, this didn’t seem like the guy.

Now, he’ll have to be that guy in Cleveland.

The hope, of course, would be that on his road to get there, he’s taken the right lessons and resolved to put his head down and work his way out of this hole in a new city with a new set of people around him (and his dad absent), rather than feeling like the victim some folks are making him out to be.

Some people clearly didn’t trust he’d do that.

The good news is he’ll now get the chance to prove them wrong.
Apparently he nignogged too close to the sun. He prepared for interviews like he was already anointed as a top QB. As it turns out, it takes a bit more than anointing yourself (with the help of ESPN) as a top guy for teams to believe it.
 
It is a very strong possibility that Sanders won’t even make the Browns’ final roster. They got a big QB room not even including the massage handjob guy. And clearly they thought more highly of Gabriel
 
It is a very strong possibility that Sanders won’t even make the Browns’ final roster. They got a big QB room not even including the massage handjob guy. And clearly they thought more highly of Gabriel
If I'm right and the fact that Stefanski and Berry passed on the opportunity six times already and looked, let's say, less than enthusiastic upon drafting him means Cleveland Sanders is a Haslam pick, they'll cut Kenny Pickett before they cut Sanders.
 
It is a very strong possibility that Sanders won’t even make the Browns’ final roster. They got a big QB room not even including the massage handjob guy. And clearly they thought more highly of Gabriel
I mean, they have 2 reasonable options if they're attempting to be competitive this year.
- Option 1: By far the safest option. It puts the best QB on the field and Pickett serves as a buffer so they're not in a position to throw a late-round QB into a game.

QB1 - Flacco
QB2 - Pickett
QB3 - Winner of Gabriel v Sanders competition


- Option 2: Putting a lot of faith in Flacco's health, but allows the team to try and develop both rookies. Plus it allows the Browns to save some face by not immediately throwing away a draft pick. Even though they'd still be throwing away a draft pick because they traded for Pickett, but they're retarded so they probably won't view it that way. (I view this as the most likely option. I can not envision Haslem letting them cut Shedeur and the coaching staff obviously likes Dillon Gabriel more.)

QB1 - Flacco
QB2 - Gabriel or Sanders
QB3 - Gabriel or Sanders

Technically there's an option 3 if they're pants on head retarded and want to win the Arch Manning sweepstakes for the lulz.
- Option 3
QB1 - Pickett
QB2 - Gabriel or Sanders
QB3 - Gabriel or Sanders
If I'm right and the fact that Stefanski and Berry passed on the opportunity six times already and looked, let's say, less than enthusiastic upon drafting him means Cleveland Sanders is a Haslam pick, they'll cut Kenny Pickett before they cut Sanders.
Schizo theory incoming. Stefanski and Berry are on the hot seat. I wonder if there are any coaching candidates that'd leap at the opportunity. Especially one who'd love to coach a "star" QB he's been with since high school.

I'll admit it's batshit insane, but it's exactly the type of spectacle Jimmy Haslam and Deion Sanders would jump onto. Haslam because he has brain damage and doesn't live in the same reality as the rest of us. Deion because Haslam would gladly hand over the keys to the kingdom and Deion is nignog enough to take them. It'd result in such a clownshow and potentially hurt the shield enough for the NFL to step in slap some hands down.

Now if you ask me why Haslam would let Deion run the franchise, I've got no idea. Logic dictates it's because he thinks it'd turn the franchise into a winner, but I legitimately don't think winning means the same thing to him as everybody else. I don't even believe it's just to get eyes on the Browns either. I think he's just incredibly gullible and has extremely poorly impulse control.
 
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Putting a lot of faith in Flacco's health, but allows the team to try and develop both rookies. Plus it allows the Browns to save some face by not immediately throwing away a draft pick. Even though they'd still be throwing away a draft pick because they traded for Pickett, but they're retarded so they probably won't view it that way.
The Browns are a clown car of an organization. Just four years ago they were finally relevant for the first time in their (reactivated) existence, hot new QB, beat the shit out of the geriatric Steelers in the Wild Card, and they've fallen off the cliff to where now they're drafting two completely opposite rookie QBs that they're somehow supposed to develop at the same time while also probably starting a 40 year old Flacco as QB1. I know the new Browns have always been a dumpster fire, but they were the kind of dumpster fire that you would feel sad for most of the time, rooting for them to get back on their feet.

First the fans have to deal with 1-31 Hue Jackson, and now they have to deal with whoever the hell decided it was a good idea to throw 230 million dollars down the drain completely burning the team alive. At this rate Ohio is gonna be pure Steelers and Bengals country the way this team seems determined to obliterate any possible good will they have. All you had to do was throw the fans a bone and draft Will Howard to compete for QB2, hometown Buckeye, no potential character issues, but nope, this is the reality we get instead. At this point fire the owner and every single piece of management, this is S-Class ineptitude.
 
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