The NFL Thread

[Jonah Hill poster]

While everyone is talking about Shedeur Sanders, I’m kind of personally surprised that the Giants might be considered lucky in the future. Their first round pick along with the addition of Russell Wilson might make them a Wild Card team in their next season.

Though, I can’t easily predict what the NY Jets will do. At best, it might be the same thing, but who knows what could happen.

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

Another joins the Black Parade
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I expect two videos. One of you clutching your little Todo dog crying at the Browns getting two QBs and the other you doing a desk pop in joy at the Browns finally having a franchise QB.

Sincerely, I hope you get a new owner.

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Here is where Tom Grossi announced the Packers pick from.

Cuck chair?

 

[ForgedBlades]

mystery solved?

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Seems like it.

 

[Fat Gay Riker]

Tom's upload of his pick announcement. You can hear Rich Eisen's voice. Tom's appearance on his show is what got me into Rich Eisen.

Also, this is hilarious:

This is how you bring politics into the NFL Draft.

I'm stuck with the Bears til I die but Clay got me good with that one.

 

[team cockroach]

Seems like it.

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Glad this is resolved. Maybe the NFL can investigate domestic abuse or murder by players with the same level of interest as a prank call to a 5th rounder.

 

[HackerX]

While everyone is talking about Shedeur Sanders, I’m kind of personally surprised that the Giants might be considered lucky in the future. Their first round pick along with the addition of Russell Wilson might make them a Wild Card team in their next season.

Though, I can’t easily predict what the NY Jets will do. At best, it might be the same thing, but who knows what could happen.

Who knows. The great thing about football is, that as much as we all pretend to know which teams are good/bad, teams can flip the script within during the offseason if they can get a healthy culture with the right guys. As long as a team has consistent QB play and rock solid fundamentals they'll have a shot at the playoffs. After that happens, who knows. Ask the 2011-2012 Patriots how much an undefeated season matters against the Giants. Anything can happen when a fundamentally sound football team gets hot at the end of the season.

I expect two videos. One of you clutching your little Todo dog crying at the Browns getting two QBs and the other you doing a desk pop in joy at the Browns finally having a franchise QB.

If there are Browns fans have any expectations they drafted a franchise QB this year, I've got a bridge to sell them. I can understand the optimism behind potentially stumbling into a good QB that fell in the draft, but the reality is those QBs are from the 3rd (back half no less) and 5th round. It's not outside the realm of possibility if the Browns come out of training camp thinking "we might actually have a guy here" after training camp, but anyone believing they selected the franchise's future last weekend is smoking the devil's lettuce.

Sincerely, I hope you get a new owner.

He's gonna have to dig up some crazy dirt, spanning years, for that to happen. This isn't the NBA, where theClippers owner to got the axe for saying some gamer words. We all saw much it took for Dan Snyder to get the boot.

Seems like it.

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ROFL. If only the moron didn't fucking record himself and post it on the Internet. I'm curious if he masked his number or made a standard phone call like a dunce. Hopefully the retard's life isn't ruined over this, but losers on Reddit and Xitter will certainly try because he's hwite and crushed a nignog's ego.

God, I'm glancing at the reddit threads and it's unbearable. They're calling him a piece of shit and "Wow, who think prank calls are funny at 21. What a loser." when the overwhelming majority was giggling over it a few days ago. I get that the prank was mean-spirited and cruel, but no one was harmed. No one got hurt, nor could have gotten hurt. I'd understand if the dude was calling and saying "I'm gonna kill you, you're whole family, and you're dog", but he did it for the lulz. Lulz were had and redditors are taking the opportunity to grandstand over the lulz that were had. Soley because the target was an egotistical nignog who was rapidly experiencing the difference between reality and expectations, on a national level.

 

[Iron Hamster]

While everyone is talking about Shedeur Sanders, I’m kind of personally surprised that the Giants might be considered lucky in the future. Their first round pick along with the addition of Russell Wilson might make them a Wild Card team in their next season.

Though, I can’t easily predict what the NY Jets will do. At best, it might be the same thing, but who knows what could happen.

When you don't have an offense that scores points, you better have a defense that can stop the other team from scoring them. It's like the 80s Giants all over again.

 

[DSP's Tax Lawyer]

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NGL a Tim Couch jersey would slap right now

For all the criticisms of the NFL, the shield knows how to own, operate, and expand a business.

I have no idea if they are competent at running their business or if they just have a product that can't fail right now

 

[HackerX]

When you don't have an offense that scores points, you better have a defense that can stop the other team from scoring them. It's like the 80s Giants all over again.

In this day and age, the top defenses don't stop teams from scoring. A defense is considered top 10 if they only three TD's a game. IMO, a defense is good if it can stop teams from scoring when it matters, but a bunch of turnovers and sacks certainly do help. I doubt we'll ever see a stalwart, stonewall of a defense again.

NGL a Tim Couch jersey would slap right now

I'll always have a soft spot for QB's who are considered busts, but were drafted by clown franchises. Especially ones who are broken beyond repair by the time their turn as "the franchise QB" is over. A lot of them may have been legitimately awful, but there's a reason certain teams perpetually struggle at QB and in general.

On one hand, how the fuck does anyone expect someone that's sacked a bazillion times (David Carr), or cycles through coaches on a yearly basis, to pan out? On the other, you've got guys like JaMarcus Russel, but that kinda feeds back into the clown franchise argument. It's REALLY WEIRD how certain teams rarely have issues spanning multiple seasons and other teams have similar issues spanning decades.

It's why I hold guys like Dan Campbell/Brad Holmes in absurdly high regard. There are reasons why the Lions had been a laughing stock for more than 50 years, and they came in and literally changed how the Lions operate as a franchise. They managed to combine two of my favorite things! Football and destroying bureaucracy. (Seriously, could write a book on organizational transformation for businesses and students over what was accomplished.)

You've also got Andy Reid who's a wizard in his own right. The man has turned two franchises into perennial contenders, stretching over something like 25 years? It's one thing to get to the top, it's a whole 'nother to stay there. I was unironically happy for him when he got his first Super Bowl with the Chiefs because I don't think he would ever get enough credit for being the football wizard that he is. (Personally, I blame Donovan McNabb for being a bum that Andy Reid fooled people into thinking he was a competent QB.) He should legitimately be in discussions for best head coach

All this fucking rambling to say, LOL at the Cowboys. LOL at the Browns. Maybe LOL at the Raiders. Possible LOL at the Colts. (Assuming their issues stem from Irsay and not their GM.) Those organizations are dysfunctional clownshow who's peak is mediocrity and will rot for generations unless people die.

I have no idea if they are competent at running their business or if they just have a product that can't fail right now

Love it or hate it, the NFL didn't reach that point by accident. They are working off a LONG term strategy. Those shitty international games (specifically referring to last year, week 1 in Brazil. Fucking awful football where players were slipping all over the field) aren't part of a 5-10 year plan. It's a 50 year plan to spread the game and make football the dominant sport amongst the lesser, undeveloped, non-US societies of Europe, Australia, and South America.

Now what's their long-term plan? No idea. There's been talk of a team located in Europe for years now, but I've got no clue how they plan to make the logistics work. They're definitely building the fanbases up, but teams are already fucking miserable over the associated travel. The Jaguars seem to have it down to a science, but any team that goes over there has to heavily alter their schedule regardless.

A permanent team would have a pretty sweet homefield advantage considering the away player's bodily clock is telling them it's time to go to bed or take a dump. However, the Europe team would still need to travel to the US for 8 games, so the NFL is gonna need a crackpipe and several autists to craft a reasonable schedule.

 

[Americunt]

I doubt we'll ever see a stalwart, stonewall of a defense again.

We literally almost had a total shutout of a Superbowl because of how dominant Vic Fangio's defense is. Granted the Chiefs sucked this year and barely squeaked by in the majority of their games, so you could make the arguement it was just them hitting the outer limits if being able to pull off bullshit.

 

[HackerX]

We literally almost had a total shutout of a Superbowl because of how dominant Vic Fangio's defense is. Granted the Chiefs sucked this year and barely squeaked by in the majority of their games, so you could make the arguement it was just them hitting the outer limits if being able to pull off bullshit.

I'm talking about throughout the season, but my "good defense threshold" can apply here. Apparently the Iggles defense deemed the Superb Owl mattered enough to curbstomp the Chiefs thoroughly enough to not give up any points until they were up by 34.

Pretty solid video with a few of the lesser mentioned points for why Shedeur fell to the 5th. There were a limited number of teams that even saw him as starting caliber in the first place and he may have nignogged himself out the discussion for those teams. Every other team that viewed him as a backup were never going to take him in the first 4 rounds. Those factors, alongside being overhyped right out of the gate, kinda set the stage for how a perceived 1st round pick falls like he did.

 

[LordofCringe7206 Vol. 2]

I feel like what is causing people to act so shocked about the Shedeur Sanders thing is that it never occurred to them that sports analysis can be just as corrupt as the rest of media. Deion was either outright buying positive press for Shedeur or people were just doing it out of love for Deion. It was the same reason why people were fawning over Deion as a coach when he first started with Colorado despite him finishing 4-8 with most of his wins being narrow and most of his loses being ugly blowouts.

It was obvious to anyone with eyes that Shedeur probably was a mid-round draft prospect at best. His huge ego and no one wanting to deal with the Deion circus is what killed any propping up he was given.

 

[Absolutego]

Now what's their long-term plan? No idea. There's been talk of a team located in Europe for years now, but I've got no clue how they plan to make the logistics work. They're definitely building the fanbases up, but teams are already fucking miserable over the associated travel. The Jaguars seem to have it down to a science, but any team that goes over there has to heavily alter their schedule regardless.

I think (hope) they're trying to build a larger fanbase for the league overseas before attempting something like NFL Europe again, maybe as a spring league serving as competition with the UFL.
Maybe this time try to get the ELF involved? Not working with the existing European league is a big part of why the first iteration of NFL Europe failed.

At least, I hope that's what they're doing, because the Seahawks are lucky if they're awake by the 3rd quarter playing games over there, especially in Germany. Really, if we're going to approach actual league expansion in a way that makes logistical sense, keep having Brazil games. North-South is way more feasible than East-West. Mexico City and Guadalajara could probably already sustain a team in terms of local support, it's a pity the peso is dogshit compared to the dollar.

 

[HackerX]

I feel like what is causing people to act so shocked about the Shedeur Sanders thing is that it never occurred to them that sports analysis can be just as corrupt as the rest of media. Deion was either outright buying positive press for Shedeur or people were just doing it out of love for Deion. It was the same reason why people were fawning over Deion as a coach when he first started with Colorado despite him finishing 4-8 with most of his wins being narrow and most of his loses being ugly blowouts.

It was obvious to anyone with eyes that Shedeur probably was a mid-round draft prospect at best. His huge ego and no one wanting to deal with the Deion circus is what killed any propping up he was given.

P much. Deion got a lot of eyes on Colorado and Shedeur, but the draft media never took into account that it was largely due to the spectacle of it all. Though I'm convinced Deion has something on Mel Kiper or Jordan Schultz.

This college football dude has some a decent takes on it.

There is a decent consensus that Shedeur ranking was pegged higher by the media than teams. (i.e., More like 2nd-3rd round instead of top 10) The pool of teams open to drafting a potential starting QB was limited and the Sanders family bonked those opportunities with their shenanigans. Teams were skiddish of Shedeur venturing into the NFL without his dad and aren't confident he can be successful without Deion present, of only for the fact he's never had to learn to adapt to an environment without his dad being right there.

Apparently several teams didn't have Shedeur on their draft board, which makes sense. Since Shedeur was effectively fell into backup territory, the pool of teams was restricted to:

- Teams that had Shedeur on their draft board
- Teams that were interested in drafting developmental QB
- Teams that were comfortable with Shedeur as a backup
-Teams that are comfortable with the media that having Shedeur as a backup will bring

How many teams were really left that were open to drafting him after all those layers of considerations? (TBH, I'm really curious where he'd have landed of Haslem didn't interview) It's incredibly hard to force a QB-needy team to NOT take a swing at a risky QB prospect, in the 2nd or 3rd round no less, but he managed to fuck that up in spectacular fashion. While he's a case study for fucking up his entire draft process, it's hard to see a similar scenario happening again any time soon.

I think (hope) they're trying to build a larger fanbase for the league overseas before attempting something like NFL Europe again, maybe as a spring league serving as competition with the UFL.
Maybe this time try to get the ELF involved? Not working with the existing European league is a big part of why the first iteration of NFL Europe failed.

Who knows. The NFL is in a tricky spot because I'm sure they'd love a developmental league beyond college football, but they need to consolidate talent into a single entity.

Assuming neo-NFL Europe resembles old NFL Europe, they'd have to consolidate and integrate talent from somewhere like the UFL along with a local league. The former for talent on par with guys the NFL is sending over and the latter to get local buy-in along with potentially finding hidden gems. There's simply not enough talent to sustain multiple professional football leagus, or else the product on the field for all of them is atrocious.

The NFL REALLY needs to commit to an "NFL-approved" farming system before they intend to plant a development league anywhere though. The market is clearly there because spring leagues seem to pop up and disappear, sometimes without playing a game, yearly, at least until the UFL seemed to have sorted itself out. I think a big part of that is the football programs need time to actually develop as organizations so the product they put on the field isn't absolute dogshit.

At least, I hope that's what they're doing, because the Seahawks are lucky if they're awake by the 3rd quarter playing games over there, especially in Germany. Really, if we're going to approach actual league expansion in a way that makes logistical sense, keep having Brazil games. North-South is way more feasible than East-West. Mexico City and Guadalajara could probably already sustain a team in terms of local support, it's a pity the peso is dogshit compared to the dollar.

Oh God. Yea. I mean the NFL's first target is whichever market provides the best opportunity for expand. North/South America is WAY easier on the logistical side of things, but their efforts have definitely favored Europe. I'm not sure what their true intent is because they have the mid-season Europe stretch, the occasional South America game, and now, the yearly international season opener. Last year was Brazil. This year Australia apparently. My best guess is they're deadset on starting international expansion in Europe, but putting feelers out (via the season opener) for wherever's

But you're absolutely right on the difference between game time and viewing between places like Germany and PST. It's somewhat bearable as a short-term solution to roll with how it is now, but the league is gonna have to tinker around with scheduling so west coast fans aren't watching a game at 7 AM without alienating the local team's fan

 

[VorpalAnvil-]

 

[Xev]

After the recent Packers kicker trauma, McManus can do a little murder (as a treat) if he wants to.

What was he even accused of? Something like getting drunk on a plane and getting handsy with some airline employee?

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

IDK, I'm just tired of the Shadookie chronicles at this point. Is there any sense as to who the "winners" and "losers" of the 2025 draft were, overall?

Looks like most teams did at least okay, even the Eagles and Chiefs were able to draft players that should help defensively. Even the Jets may not have shot themselves in the foot with their picks. Not a fan of the Patriots first round pick, but it wasn't outrageously bad, either, given they're a team where .500 this season is very much going to be a reach. And probably won't happen. I assume the Steelers have Rodgers wrapped up and ready to go, but aren't saying anything official so he can skip a good chunk of the preseason.

Cam Ward thanks Jesus to play for what appears to be a trainwreck of an organization in the Titans, he's probably gonna have a very tough year ahead of him assuming he's a day one starter. Will be interesting to see if TLaw is still TFraud with Travis Hunter, no idea how that will work out.

 

[Absolutego]

IDK, I'm just tired of the Shadookie chronicles at this point. Is there any sense as to who the "winners" and "losers" of the 2025 draft were, overall?

Looks like most teams did at least okay, even the Eagles and Chiefs were able to draft players that should help defensively. Even the Jets may not have shot themselves in the foot with their picks. Not a fan of the Patriots first round pick, but it wasn't outrageously bad, either, given they're a team where .500 this season is very much going to be a reach. And probably won't happen. I assume the Steelers have Rodgers wrapped up and ready to go, but aren't saying anything official so he can skip a good chunk of the preseason.

Cam Ward thanks Jesus to play for what appears to be a trainwreck of an organization in the Titans, he's probably gonna have a very tough year ahead of him assuming he's a day one starter. Will be interesting to see if TLaw is still TFraud with Travis Hunter, no idea how that will work out.

(with the caveat that the draft is a crapshoot and I am but a dork on the internet who knows none of these people)
Losers:
Colts draft was unimpressive, 49ers seem to be banking on a quick turnaround for a lot of project picks, I'm not sure the Bengals did enough to address their wet tissue paper of a defense, and even ignoring how drafting Sanders guarantees Cleveland is a sideshow next year, 2 QBs (even ignoring the obviously different desired outcome for each) and 2 RBs in one draft is pretty damned lopsided.
Winners (besides the Seahawks, because duh):
Raiders had a great draft for a Carroll-led team, I think the Pats stopped getting cute with their draft, and the Rams, damn it, went for an unsexy draft prepping for 2026 like they probably needed to do.

 

[DSP's Tax Lawyer]

Why this man isn't prepping his resume today and looking for a new job is beyond me

 

[HackerX]

What was he even accused of? Something like getting drunk on a plane and getting handsy with some airline employee?

Apparently not enough for him to be a savior at kicker for GB. We've been a mess ever since the Silver Fox left, God bless his name and God bless the McManus for intervening the dumpster fire that followed Crosby. Anders Carlson was a bum and the randos who followed were so inconsistent it made 4th down conversions less risky than a field goal attempt.

Not a fan of the Patriots first round pick, but it wasn't outrageously bad, either, given they're a team where .500 this season is very much going to be a reach.

He scored a lot of points with the "I'll fight and die" for Drake Maye comment. On the list of things I want an O-linemen to say, it's probably at the top.

Cam Ward thanks Jesus to play for what appears to be a trainwreck of an organization in the Titans, he's probably gonna have a very tough year ahead of him assuming he's a day one starter. Will be interesting to see if TLaw is still TFraud with Travis Hunter, no idea how that will work out.

There's a certain je ne sais quoi with the Titans selecting a 1st round QB. A #1 overall no less. When Steve McNair is the guy you point to as best QB in franchise history (Titans, not Oilers), you should probably reevaluate how you draft and develop the position.

Cleveland is a sideshow next year, 2 QBs (even ignoring the obviously different desired outcome for each) and 2 RBs in one draft is pretty damned lopsided.

Cleveland is a very good and sound football team that can afford to spend excessive draft capital at luxury positions.

Winners (besides the Seahawks, because duh)

Losers for the same reason.

From a fan perspective, I think GB drafted pretty well. We drafted the (debatably) #1 WR and addressed every significant gap without giving up too much perceived value.

The Rams and Browns got additional 1st round draft picks next year too. I'd consider that a W as far as the Arch Manning sweepstakes are concerned.

Why this man isn't prepping his resume today and looking for a new job is beyond me

The only explanation I've got is that ESPN thinks people immediately associate the NFL draft with Mel Kiper. Personally, I associate him with being a massive retard who doesn't know anything about football or the draft, but I'm not ESPN's target demographic. The man was advocating the NFL banning 2 high safeties last season FFS.