The NFL Thread - Root for your favorite team (or laugh at the Browns, whichever's easier)

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Who are you rooting for in Super Bowl 60?

  • New England Patriots

    Votes: 11 22.0%
  • Seattle Seahawks

    Votes: 25 50.0%
  • Team State Farm

    Votes: 1 2.0%
  • The Meteor

    Votes: 13 26.0%

  • Total voters
    50
  • Poll closed .
There's just not enough talent.

e: Pete Carroll has complained that you need to start at square one with linemen coming out of college these days. If the NFL wants to fix this they should probably increase practice squad sizes and just let teams shove them full of guys with good measurables and see who can figure it out after a year.
Pretty much. Especially when it comes to pass blocking. With run blocking, it's all inherently proactive. You can get away with a pure physical specimen since the math checks out when you havea 6'10, 330 lb giganigga at RT mauling a 260lb Edge or a 230lb LB and securing the run gap.

Pass blocking is reactive. Sure, there's a bit of proactiveness in there because you want to be the one to initiate the engagement as an offensive lineman, but defensive players are aware of that. They've got a littany of moves in their toolkit, depending on the player. Some have 1-2, others have more, and some that do only have 1 or 2 are also incredibly fucking good at those 1 or 2. (I'm thinking Dwight Freeney's spin and Reggie White's hump, where he'd just chuck the unfortunate soul away.) Then there are variations of each move along with natural variations that come along with how individuals players play. PLUS players that rush the passer tend to be legitimate genetic freaks.

So you got guys who played in and against relatively simple schemes in college that could get away with just being bigger, faster, and stronger than the other dude. They just have to match up with the guy standing in front of him. Offensive line guys never really had to develop their own set of moves, then they go up against guys who are equally athletic, if not vastly more so, with a much more refined toolkit to defeat the block. That, AND, defensive schemes are legitimately insane now. There may be 4 of 5 guys lined up on the line, 7 or 8 in the box, but you've got zero idea how many guys are actually coming or which gaps are even being attacked by whom.

As you said, the only way to really rectify O-line play, and developing players in general, is via getting more guys more experience. Practice squad is one way, but they need to have more practices. More minicamps. More preseason reps if not more preseason games. I know the NFL ooh'd and ahh'd when they were able to convert a preseason game to a regular season game so they could make more bank. The NFLPA also hooray'd that they were able to negotiate less practice and minicamps, but there are absolutely secondary and tertiary effects being felt. O-line play is substantially worse (especially early in the season) than it ever has been. Also it seems like there are A LOT more injuries at every position. Sure, teams are being more cautious overall, but you have to wonder how much of that is due to a lack of practice reps and conditioning.

---Sidestory while I was thinking about gigganiggas. There's nothing really like an absolute genetic monster whose primary task is to go out there and slaughter the opposing QB. Once again, thank you Jerruh!

The first NFL draft that really absorbed me was 2006 with Mario Williams. Dude was 6'7, 300 lbs giganigga they ran a 4.7 and benched 35 reps. He was an athletic freak and I was beyond optimistic there was the slightest chance that magic would occur and he'd fall to Green Bay at 5. Ofc, The Texans ruined that like they ruin everything and we grabbed AJ Hawk who I was ultimately happy with. Still a genetic freak, but not a pass rusher. Ultimately not bad in retrospect since the only immediate player selected after who panned out was Vernon Davis, who took some time. Then Haloti Ngata 7 picks later who was obviously better, but would have definitely been viewed as a reach.---
 
Mike Tomlin talks about playing Indy last year and how he was telling his defense to make sure to keep Anthony Richardson in the game because he was worse than the back-up, Joe Flacco.
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I knew the Chiefs dynasty had to end someday. But this?

Hope you detwactors are happy.
 
Jesus. That's brutal. What's worse is Anthony Richardson gets hurt if the wind starts blowing in the wrong direction. Tomlin probably had a few unironic locker room conversations about doing everything they could to cushion Anthony Richardson when he hits the ground.
 
He definitely wanted to get his boys paid.

Though even if the Bengals did try to fix their OL there's no guarantee they could do it. Giants and Dolphins have both thrown a ton of resources at it and they're still horror shows. There's just not enough talent.

e: Pete Carroll has complained that you need to start at square one with linemen coming out of college these days. If the NFL wants to fix this they should probably increase practice squad sizes and just let teams shove them full of guys with good measurables and see who can figure it out after a year.
The problem with all sports: there's not enough talent for even 24 teams let alone 32.
 
That 2023 QB class is shaping up to be one of the worst ever. Young stinks. Stroud had a great rookie year but has fallen off. Richardson is all-time terrible. Levis was bad.
Partially thier fault and partially the fault of the teams they got drafted in i would say. The Panthers, Texans, Jim Irsay's Colts after Andrew Luck was ruined and the Titans were not teams I would want to play for
 
I knew the Chiefs dynasty had to end someday. But this?

Hope you detwactors are happy.
Is it really surprising though? Despite their record, the Chiefs were on Fraud Watch for most of last season considering how many of their games were decided either by fluke bullshit or blatant refball.

Mahomes is listed as having an injured wrist that he’ll likely play through to save us from Minshew-Mania, Kelce is washed and crashing out with Andy Reid when he’s not hurting his own teammates mid play, Worthy might be fine once he finishes his suspension, but I don’t think that’s enough, and their window might be starting to shut. Do I think it’s closed, no - but the current core might be winding down.
 
Mahomes is listed as having an injured wrist that he’ll likely play through to save us from Minshew-Mania, Kelce is washed and crashing out with Andy Reid when he’s not hurting his own teammates mid play, Worthy might be fine once he finishes his suspension, but I don’t think that’s enough, and their window might be starting to shut. Do I think it’s closed, no - but the current core might be winding down.
Yeah, I don't think they'll ever truly be out of it until Mahomes' knees are finally annihilated. He'll still be a good pocket passer but that definitely will not work with their roster as it is. The Chiefs rely too much on him picking up first downs with his legs.
 
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Where are you Mixon? WHERE ARE YOU

Ok, I'll attempt to answer all questions relating to Texans' 0-3 football disaster.
Demarco Ryans doesn't terribly care about locker room cancers, contrary to what it may seem. This specific locker room cancer however was hogging a spot for good ol' Jimmie Ward.
For those who don't know, Jimmie Ward was also recently had his domestic charges dismissed, taken off the commissioner list, and placed on the PuP.
Jimmie was a team captain in 2023 and 2024 for the Texans, spent time with Demarco when he was an assistant coach for the 49ers, and posted relatively comparable stats.
The release is more of a "you didn't prove useful enough to warrant replacing Jimmie Ward when he eventually comes back".
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I understand that the Texans coaching staff is dogshit, but when do they start to have the conversation about Stroud? Its looking more and more with each passing week that his rookie year was a anomaly.
Shroud is less of an issue, and more of a system quarterback.
Demarco only cares about defense. I'm pretty sure anything offense related, he just assumes the OC will handle it.
Houston Offense before this year was based off of a patchwork version of the Kyle Shanahan scheme from Bobby Slowik.

Went as well as you thought it could.
The truth is, Joe Mixon is not CMC, Tunsil was not Trent Williams, and Dalton Schultz is not Kittle. They were still servicable in their roles, however, and made the system work. Receiving core benefited from it massively, however. CJ Shroud was in a system.

We all know how the 49ers tend to yo-yo. So when Texans fans got the offense end of the yoyo, they were not happy. Fired him.
Brought in Nick Caley, the Rams passing game coordinator for 2024, into the OC role. Sean McVay coaching tree, huh.
The offense that is infamous for using the run game to set up the pass game. On paper, pretty nice.
Nick Caley, however, was a passing game coordinator, who I assume has no idea about running the ball effectively.
Worst scenario, Nick Chubb is a complete opposite of a runner to Kyren Williams as possible.
It's pretty bad growing pains for establishing the wide zone run game with Nick Chubb and a Bad OLine.
Le system is broken.
 
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Yeah, I don't think they'll ever truly be out of it until Mahomes' knees are finally annihilated. He'll still be a good pocket passer but that definitely will not work with their roster as it is. The Chiefs rely too much on him picking up first downs with his legs.
One of two things will be the final nail to the Chiefs - Mahome’s legs give and he loses his mobility, or he goes for a slide into a defender who gives 0 Fucks and just obliterates him into Tua territory.

Anything before that I won’t fully say the windows shut - barring Andy Reid retiring and his replacement being complete dogshit, not completely unlikely considering how every coaching tree has been poisoned to shit in recent years - but I’d say it’s narrowing. Sorta like the interim years between Brady’s Superbowl rings more than anything else.
 
I don't see how that was his fault. Harrison juggled that ball like he he was doing crowd work during a break in taping for a late night show.
not his fault, i agree. still an int

are you a cards fan by any chance?
 
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I don't see how that was his fault. Harrison juggled that ball like he he was doing crowd work during a break in taping for a late night show.
I don't watch Arizona that often but it looks like MHJ is afraid of contact. You see this a lot with high school WRs who take their eyes off the ball a sec to see if they need to brace and wind up bobbling it.

Probably didn't matter as much in college since he could get more separation.
 
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