The Paranormal

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TinCan Wizard said:
I won't get into details but this happened with me too. It happened in my sleep but it felt very real, unlike any dream I had including sleep paralysis. And so many others experience it. idk what to believe but that shook my worldview to say the least.
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Fek said:
How "real" would you say it felt? Like a waking experience? Perhaps "more real than real," even?
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Usually when I have a communication dream, I immediately wake up staring at a spot in my room almost like I was awake the whole time. When you have one, you'll know it for sure. The stark difference makes it extremely obvious. Human souls can use this method and even pets. Like let's say your dead dog comes to you in this kind of dream. You end up petting it and then you wake up staring at the spot you were petting it on the side of your bed with your dog now gone due to you being fully awake now. That's how a normal communication dream usually operates.

Negative spirits also sometimes use the space between awake and sleep to harass you, usually doing something to scare you so you jolt out of sleep such as making loud sounds in your room or touching you. I think it may have something to do with how the human brain operates in different levels of sleep. It's working at faster speeds and this speed makes you more "open" to communication, something that usually only mediums have complete access to during waking hours. Changes in the brain can also change your level of openness which is why children seem more psychic but it dissipates into adulthood. I've also known one person who tapped into some psychic ability after having a head injury. So yeah, the brain definitely plays a role here.
 
Alright, I found a Ouija Board straight out of the..70s-ish?

Edit: This style.
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What should I ask it, dudes?
 
I don’t really have a lot of experience with the paranormal outside of occasionally having precognitive dreams and a few stories I may post later, but here are my general thoughts…
I believe that there is a part of our universe that we can’t really explain with our current understanding of it. As far as ghosts are concerned there‘s definitely a part of us that lingers after we die but it varies from individual due to their own spiritual beliefs, their experiences during life, how their spirit is balanced, and how they died. I do believe that there are non-human entities (angels, demons, elementals, aliens, cryptids, etc.) in our universe and that they can occupy one or more of the “realms” that make up our universe/dimension and others that may be connected to it but I’m not sure if using these terms is correct or not.
I believe that a lot of these shows are simply done for entertainment purposes. There are some that try to explain some the events shown in ‘em and get some sort of proof (Ghost Adventures being a prime example of this) but they often do so via provocation, something that you should never do if you want to experience the spiritual world unless you’re prepared to deal with the consequences of provoking the wrong entities.

The one program I’ve seen that doesn’t do this and actually tries to help people affected by the paranormal is The Dead Files, that one only has a psychic medium do simple spirit walk around the affected property and having sketches done of what they believe to be affecting the property and individuals the most and what is the most dangerous spiritual entities there, a retired detective interviewing the affected individuals and doing some digging on the affected property and the history of it and the surrounding area, and caps out the episode with both sides sharing their findings and suggestions on what to do to alleviate said issues.
Fek said:
Alright, I found a Ouija Board straight out of the..70s-ish?

Edit: This style.
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What should I ask it, dudes?
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Ask it about the Zozo demon. Protip: Do NOT ask it about the Zozo demon.
 
I don't like materialism, our idea of reality is bullshit and i know, without a doubt, there's way more we can't ever measure or comprehend, the scientific method is very useful but is not the be all end all.

Actual experiences are very difficult to convey to anyone , i wouldn't even be bothering, you'll always come across as dumb or crazy. I think popular culture and hollywood have spoiled the broth too so to say, is like with the mafia, a lot of people see mobsters as cartoon characters and movie villains because thats their exposure, even though the mafia is as a matter of fact very real theres a distance people have were its difficult to fully internalize it as anything other than what they know, as fiction, a meme, with the paranormal is even more nebulous, even thouth it has accompany us for all our existence modern people are more likely to see it all with that same distance. Not sure i get my point across

i don't think none of us can ever comprehend something thats so beyond us and translate it in such simplistic terms like religious people do, we probably have no bussiness anyway, whatever reality truly is beyond matter avoids all kinds of dogma. most we can do is keep a balance between open mind and skepticism.

I also like the theory that aliens and elves are the same thing. I love passport to magonia and daemonic reality, i like a lot of Jung's weird ideas too, my line of thinking tends to go in that direction.
 
I've had weird events but most of them are of the "saw something out of the corner of my eye" type, that could've been anything.

I definitely think there's weird stuff out there. But I hate how the media tries to simplify it all into baby-language cartoonishness. Like for example I've always hated any UFO show that says the government is scheming with aliens--at that point the aliens are just an evil supervillain group, but clearly they're much more than that (if you believe they exist). Also why would they make deals with us anyway?

I also find a lot of paranormal "debunks" don't really work as they tend to rely on equally childish comic book logic. (I'm speaking in general terms here... debunking a SPECIFIC video or event usually works out).

Also, I hate how the skeptic side worships James Randi, even though the man is proven to lie for his own purposes and a lot of the arguments he uses would not be accepted if they came from a believer.
 
Mother's side leans more into spiritual shit. Mom's had a few seemingly prophetic dreams, we've both seen freaky shit. I think the worst experience I had was the second house I lived in after moving to the U.S, lots of feeling grabbed or touched when nobody was there, and I vividly remember the image of a scowling, flayed man hovering over me one night whilst I tried to sleep. Granted this was prior to me starting my meds, chances are it was anxiety/paranoia fueling hallucinations.
 
Some of you were mentioning people getting along with each other real conveniently, I've thought at times people might have a pull on each other. A pastor of a church I went to described a thing he called "deep calling out to deep," basically a notion that people will tend to be attracted towards people who are similar to them, but not in the sense that they get along well but in the sense that they will be attracted to the person before they could possibly know anything about them TO attract them. Could also say that it's just social skills - if you're not a sperg you'll find commonalities with the people you meet.

I can't say if this is a real thing, because I haven't seen that many cases of it, but I feel like it might be. The soul feels out the souls nearby, decides it likes something and then steers the body/conscious mind towards them.
 
Fek said:
Quantum physics is the closest we're getting towards looping right back around into the territory of the spiritual. I personally find it hilarious to see these experiments take place, get repeated and verified ad infinitum, and watch your typical SCIENCE!™ followers try to square that circle with their semi/totally-atheistic world view. Very popcorn worthy.

Sounds like you two are good candidates for reading through or listening to The Seth Books**, imo. I cannot possibly recommend them enough if you're of the sorts of minds you're both exhibiting here. It might need to be taken a bit on faith at first given the..how to put it.."level" of the material? You'd ultimately be very hard-pressed to explain away the content via things like hallucination or schizophrenia.

Frankly, this is probably the single best thread to link that book series.

**They're in the order they should be read/listened to.
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I did get around to reading Seth Speaks on your recommendation, and was sitting on reviewing it in part to not want to slag it off. There are parts of the book that are interesting and parts that are fun just as an exercise in creativity. Bits of it that speak to me. On the whole I would say that while my worldview is open to the possibility of the supernatural, even supposes it, I don't believe in any particular real world example of it. I don't put truck in people like psychics, basically. The author ultimately feels like an L. Ron Hubbard to me, in the obvious comparison of sci-fi writer playing with religious concepts. Much of the book focuses on the idea (what feels like wishful thinking) that, if we exist in an absolute idealist world, then the world can be constructed in any way you want, which I think is true in some sense but I'd not actually stake anything on trying that. Then there's the outlandish ancient history stuff in there, and some thoughts on the afterlife and what not that I don't agree with but found enjoyable to read. I didn't really see much in it that I saw as being other than a con. I appreciate you taking the time to recommend it, though, it is nice when a stranger takes time to do that.



There was a Brain Dump episode where Max G talked about some pseudoscience theory that if you hold a belief strongly, the universe will change to make it true because it cannot abide contradictions in perception and reality.

I'm not real into Mandela Effect, but maybe in an idealist world some incidences of unjustified mass delusion like that could be something where as a misperception becomes more common it starts to emerge autonomously in more people as the delusion tries to establish itself?
 
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My mom, who's not really the type to believe in paranormal-presented stuff at face value, swears up and down that my great-grandpa visited her the day after his death.
She was in her mid-20s or just hitting 30, mulling about the house while trying to process the grief. And then she felt him, right there in the room with her. She described it as "feeling like you're being watched, but in a less freaky way."
The feeling of him being there was gone a few minutes later, like he just rolled up to check on her. She's believed that ghosts and the afterlife exist in some form ever since, and is also a firm believer in reincarnation. Again, she's not really gullible or a hippy-dippy type of person, so I feel like the experience served as proof to her.

As for personal experience, I can't really attest to seeing a ghost right in front of me while awake. Shit made to sell off clickbait and get cash from gullible retards like Ghost Adventures soured me on the idea of ghosts or being visited like that, until something happened fairly recently:

Usually, my dreams are weird and surreal. They're more like TV show pilots than anything predicting or mirroring reality, I can recall a few of them that were animated. Even my more realistic ones don't take straight from people I know as reference, it's features of the people I've seen before all mixed together, strangers and people I grew up with alike.

My grandpa (dad's side) passed away just over three years ago. It started with cancer caused entirely by his smoking habit that was healthier (he claimed) due to rolling his cigarettes, but a broken heart from my grandma's fairly preventable death was the thing that did him in. He was unbelievable with a guitar, pretty charismatic and a good artist. He wasn't the greatest at times, but the good mostly outweighed the bad with him.
Earlier this year (around the time he died, actually), I wasn't thinking about the guy at all. I didn't have much of a reaction to his death due to other, more powerlevel-y circumstances, so I wasn't really thinking about the fact that he was gone much.
When I went to bed that night, I saw my grandpa. Like, it was clearly him, down to the specifics of his face and the sound of his voice.

It started with the usual surreal weirdness I get when I dream sometimes (talking to a young-looking kid about Lilo and Stitch, a giant CGI baby running around in third person with trippy music, normal dream things), and then I plopped into a colorful landscape that had a stormy-looking skyline. Some feet away was a rustic-looking house with a porch, and my grandpa was hanging out on it. He was just looking up at the sky, and even from a good distance away I immediately recognized him and went to sit next to him.
Thanks to immediately writing down shit I remembered hearing when I woke up, I can 100% confirm this exchange happened:
"I thought you were dead?"
"Well, I'm not sure where you got that idea."

And we talked for a while, just staring at the sky and the weird things going on some distance away.
I woke up dazed (I think I woke up before I was supposed to) and feeling like it wasn't just a trippy dream. Like my grandpa actually did just show up to talk to me.
I fully believe that ghosts exist and paranormal events happen, but a lot of scam artists spoil the broth and validate the idea that all of this is fake TV stuff.
 
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ManInTheBlarms said:
Your brain has a million ways to lie to you. There has yet to be a single piece of compelling evidence of ghosts or anything of the sort.


"We're all made of stardust!!!" We get it faggot, go back to your mid-2000's rom coms.
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You mean like how radiation didn't exist for billions of years because no compelling scientific evidence for its existed? Or that gravity didn't happen until Issac invented it? because up until a bloke was able to actually measure and identity it, it must not exist, as no faggot in a lab coat was able to write about it for a pithy article?

The very concept of something existing only once someone is able to convince people he found it in a lab is daft. I guess none of us are sentient, aware creatures because ScienceTM hasn't figured out why yet, so I guess because we have no proof for a Netflix television show to sing a song about, it must not exist.

Ghosts are real, and every night you go to sleep, they rape you. Spiritual Sodomy is your future.
 
I’d like ghosts and things to be real but I’ve never experienced or seen anything personally that validates their existence much to my dismay.

Love the paranormal but I’m still a skeptic for now.
 
Hallucinogenic Penguin said:
I agree. Might be opening up a door he can’t close, and the guests might not be the most savory to say the least.
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What gives the Ouija an extra spooky vibe is that is not just the fundies but even the edgy wizards and occultists get all clenched butthole about it and warn of demons/astral parasites/elementals, etc who'll lie and pretend to be the spirit of a death person just to fuck with your head. The latter part is a very freaky scenario.

I personally feel there's a psicological aspect to it and even if its all subconscious you could probably mess with your own head.
 
There's been a lot of personal stories shared, thanks to everyone for what they've shared. I've enjoyed reading this entire thread. Here's my contribution.

My mom told me about an experience that really shook me and changed my world view. She's not into magical thinking and doesn't go around saying things like this. Also some of this is corroborated by my dad, who is long long since divorced from my mom and has had very little communication with her for most of my life. My dad also seems to be suffering from some kind of early onset alzheimers and seems to forget a lot about his life... but he remembered this quite clearly and described it to me, it just was unforgettable.

An apartment my parents lived in before I was born just felt wrong to my mom. My dad didn't feel it, but she did. However, one day they came home and a roll of paper towels just unraveled itself onto the floor like something pulled it down. There were apparently other unsettling events like this, such as sounds in the other room that didn't make sense when nobody else was home.

My mom insisted they move, and they started looking to move. Ultimately they moved to another apartment nearby, similar price and area, they just wanted out of that specific one. But before they did, my mom was awakened in the middle of the night. A shadowy figure was standing before her, choking her, lifting her up with one arm. She could see another figure in the back of the room observing. She struggled and pushed free, and screamed. My dad bolted up and turned the light on, and nothing was there. However, there were bruises and scratches around my mom's neck.

It is that physical sign that dispelled any doubt about that being some sort of sleep paralysis or nightmare, she is absolutely convinced she was visited by an incubus.

In my dad's words, 'That place was just fucked up. I'll never forget the way your mom screamed that night, I've never heard anyone scream like that.'

I don't really know what to think of all of this to be honest. I am a Christian and do believe in the existence of demons, but I do try to not dwell on this story because doing so makes it really hard to sleep. Especially if I feel I am faltering in my faith and am defenseless.
 
Ughubughughughughughghlug said:
There was a Brain Dump episode where Max G talked about some pseudoscience theory that if you hold a belief strongly, the universe will change to make it true because it cannot abide contradictions in perception and reality.

I'm not real into Mandela Effect, but maybe in an idealist world some incidences of unjustified mass delusion like that could be something where as a misperception becomes more common it starts to emerge autonomously in more people as the delusion tries to establish itself?
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This is technically true to some extent in the paranormal scene with the only differences being that the belief needs to be shared by other people in addition to it being felt strongly and it being more of a psychic force than it being a universal change, it's how some religious miracles are explained.
Space_Dandy said:
There's been a lot of personal stories shared, thanks to everyone for what they've shared. I've enjoyed reading this entire thread. Here's my contribution.

My mom told me about an experience that really shook me and changed my world view. She's not into magical thinking and doesn't go around saying things like this. Also some of this is corroborated by my dad, who is long long since divorced from my mom and has had very little communication with her for most of my life. My dad also seems to be suffering from some kind of early onset alzheimers and seems to forget a lot about his life... but he remembered this quite clearly and described it to me, it just was unforgettable.

An apartment my parents lived in before I was born just felt wrong to my mom. My dad didn't feel it, but she did. However, one day they came home and a roll of paper towels just unraveled itself onto the floor like something pulled it down. There were apparently other unsettling events like this, such as sounds in the other room that didn't make sense when nobody else was home.

My mom insisted they move, and they started looking to move. Ultimately they moved to another apartment nearby, similar price and area, they just wanted out of that specific one. But before they did, my mom was awakened in the middle of the night. A shadowy figure was standing before her, choking her, lifting her up with one arm. She could see another figure in the back of the room observing. She struggled and pushed free, and screamed. My dad bolted up and turned the light on, and nothing was there. However, there were bruises and scratches around my mom's neck.

It is that physical sign that dispelled any doubt about that being some sort of sleep paralysis or nightmare, she is absolutely convinced she was visited by an incubus.

In my dad's words, 'That place was just fucked up. I'll never forget the way your mom screamed that night, I've never heard anyone scream like that.'

I don't really know what to think of all of this to be honest. I am a Christian and do believe in the existence of demons, but I do try to not dwell on this story because doing so makes it really hard to sleep. Especially if I feel I am faltering in my faith and am defenseless.
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It's difficult to say without having more information to go on but I'd definitely say that your parents were dealing with some form of negative spirit/entity, the bad feeling your mom had when they moved into this apartment and the physical signs your mom had after she was attacked are very clear signs of that being the case.

As far as said entity being demonic in nature I wouldn't rule that out (especially if any of the strange things happening involved smelling terrible scents like those associated with sulfur or rotting flesh and the loss/destruction of religious items) but unless your parents left out some key details I think the chance of this entity being an incubus are really low, it's worth noting that incubi are the male equivalent of succubi and everyone and their grandpappy should know about that equivalent for various reasons.

If you ask me I think your mother had an encounter with shadow people, supernatural beings whose alignments vary from benign to straight-up malicious and whose origins range from being born from negative emotions to hailing from a completely different dimension entirely.

And what should you think of all this? Unless you want to dig into into specifics I'd say be happy that your parents got out of that environment before things got worse and that the entities didn't follow 'em to their new apartment.
 
Rumpled Foreskin said:
Way late, and you’re probably kidding, but don’t use one of those things. Ever.
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Oh I was dead serious, lmao.

I know, I know..but I got one anyway. And you know what? I actually felt kinda funny when I pulled it out of its box to make sure it wasn't a hunk of junk. It was sort of like having something brushing across you only nothing's physically there. Now, I don't get spooked by this sort of thing or scared at all of "occult" stuff. Also (and despite what some may think after reading my opinions in the tinfoil thread), I'm quite a sane fellow. So! for what it's worth: It wasn't some moment of paranoia or freaking out. It was kinda neat, really. The thing is definitely a flippin' relic at this point.

At any rate, I haven't had a proper night time sit down with it yet. I'll report back once I find the time to do so.

Edit: Oh holy shit, I missed this:
Space_Dandy said:
before I was born
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Space_Dandy said:
she is absolutely convinced she was visited by an incubus.
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Uh...yeah, so about that. Just how much later were you born, exactly?

Why am I asking? Oh, no reason.. :)
 
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