The Paranormal

[Puff]

I'm necroing to ask if anyone knows of any in-depth paranormal youtube channels that are neither complete skeptics nor will believe just anything. I'm sure there's something in the way psychology of groups work that make those kind rise to the top for entertainment, but it really makes it hard to find anything worthwhile.

Story tax for necroing:
Stage dressing:
My parents house in built on a farm that used to have Indian mounds on it. Sometime before even they were born the mounds were plowed down and it was turned into pasture land (note that nobody ever mentions finding any bones which might lend some anecdotal credence to the theory that the mounds are not burial sites but something more religious). This is common knowledge throughout the family to the point that it's commonly joked the house is filled to the brim with spiders due to some kind of curse (more likely it's because they're in the middle of a livestock farm and there are tons of flies). The whole farm is generally regarded as freaky. FYI, the parent's house is the first permenant dwelling ever built on the land and it's only been around since the '90's
Story:
My little brother and I were in from college and visiting the parents, staying for a week or two over the summer. It gets to be fairly late in the evening and us being degenerates are on about hour 4 without a cigarette because we're good little southern gentlemen and pretend not to smoke for the parents, so we make an excuse to go check on the cherry grove which is a fenced off little corner of the field (so the cows don't eat the cherries) to go blast a few cigs.
After several gates have been negotiated, we're safely out of view of the house due to a little fold in the hill looking into the sparse forest that is the property line.. A couple of cancer sticks later, we're standing and looking off into the woods and bullshitting.
I then see what is best described as a classic shadow figure walking towards us. No features at all, just a fluffy, semi-transparent, man shaped, three-dimensional shadow. Like black smoke in the shape of a man. Something in my head tells me I absolutely should not acknowledge it and definitely shouldn't stick around to find out what it wants.. I start suggesting rather forcefully it's about time we got back home. My agrees, also forcefully, and we gtfo. We get over the hill before confirming we both saw the same thing.

Both of us got out of the truck at the remaining gates. We decided that rather than spending the night drinking at the cherry grove it was more prudent to put a 12 pack in the back seat and do the backroads.
I have a ton more experiences, that are plenty freakier, but this one makes for the best written story.

 

[skykiii]

I'm necroing to ask if anyone knows of any in-depth paranormal youtube channels that are neither complete skeptics nor will believe just anything.

I asked this in another topic and got directed to a channel called Bedtime Stories (and its sister channel, Wartime Stories).

 

[Puff]

I asked this in another topic and got directed to a channel called Bedtime Stories (and its sister channel, Wartime Stories).

I'll check on those, but by the name, I'd guess they're like the last one I tried... viewer submissions that claim to be true but very quickly just become creative writing exercises.

 

[skykiii]

I'll check on those, but by the name, I'd guess they're like the last one I tried... viewer submissions that claim to be true but very quickly just become creative writing exercises.

They seem to research real cases, but they tell them in a "narrative" style. That said they do present skeptical points of view from time to time.

For me a bigger frustration with horror channels is so many of them are about things like serial killers or the stories are a whole lot of nothing--I stopped watching Mr Nightmare because like 90% of the time the stories he tells are "we met a creepy person and it spooked us." Bedtime Stories almost exclusively focuses on weird or unexplained stuff, though this does sometimes include unsolved murders.

 

[Begemot]

I'll check on those, but by the name, I'd guess they're like the last one I tried... viewer submissions that claim to be true but very quickly just become creative writing exercises.

Nah, bedtime stories is legit, it's more of a slower experience, they don't upload that often but I'll typically watch any video they put out and I'm the type of guy who collects paranormal greentexts and is into horror without it being my whole life. Your mileage may vary, however....

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

I'll check on those, but by the name, I'd guess they're like the last one I tried... viewer submissions that claim to be true but very quickly just become creative writing exercises.

Try Esoterica. He covers these topics from an academic point of view and gives a lot of historical and literary background to the topics.

 

[(The REAL) Jack Torrance]

I have a ton more experiences, that are plenty freakier, but this one makes for the best written story.

Whenever you have the chance, would love to hear more and revive this thread

 

[Mothra1988]

I'm necroing to ask if anyone knows of any in-depth paranormal youtube channels that are neither complete skeptics nor will believe just anything. I'm sure there's something in the way psychology of groups work that make those kind rise to the top for entertainment, but it really makes it hard to find anything worthwhile.

Story tax for necroing:
Stage dressing:
My parents house in built on a farm that used to have Indian mounds on it. Sometime before even they were born the mounds were plowed down and it was turned into pasture land (note that nobody ever mentions finding any bones which might lend some anecdotal credence to the theory that the mounds are not burial sites but something more religious). This is common knowledge throughout the family to the point that it's commonly joked the house is filled to the brim with spiders due to some kind of curse (more likely it's because they're in the middle of a livestock farm and there are tons of flies). The whole farm is generally regarded as freaky. FYI, the parent's house is the first permenant dwelling ever built on the land and it's only been around since the '90's
Story:
My little brother and I were in from college and visiting the parents, staying for a week or two over the summer. It gets to be fairly late in the evening and us being degenerates are on about hour 4 without a cigarette because we're good little southern gentlemen and pretend not to smoke for the parents, so we make an excuse to go check on the cherry grove which is a fenced off little corner of the field (so the cows don't eat the cherries) to go blast a few cigs.
After several gates have been negotiated, we're safely out of view of the house due to a little fold in the hill looking into the sparse forest that is the property line.. A couple of cancer sticks later, we're standing and looking off into the woods and bullshitting.
I then see what is best described as a classic shadow figure walking towards us. No features at all, just a fluffy, semi-transparent, man shaped, three-dimensional shadow. Like black smoke in the shape of a man. Something in my head tells me I absolutely should not acknowledge it and definitely shouldn't stick around to find out what it wants.. I start suggesting rather forcefully it's about time we got back home. My agrees, also forcefully, and we gtfo. We get over the hill before confirming we both saw the same thing.

Both of us got out of the truck at the remaining gates. We decided that rather than spending the night drinking at the cherry grove it was more prudent to put a 12 pack in the back seat and do the backroads.
I have a ton more experiences, that are plenty freakier, but this one makes for the best written story

Shadow people are very common. They're seen around here by a lot of people. The thing with shadow people is while they may sometimes be normal ghosts, they often are a more fucked up category of spirit that is viewed as very negative, which would be in line with being the by-product of an Indian curse.

Seeing them outdoors is probably not a big deal and harmless, but if you see them inside a house often, you should probably do a sage cleansing. They're known to target children and old people because they view them as weak and easy targets. It's thought they they'll try to enslave thier souls after death, so they may even try trick children into suicide or some other kind of early demise. These are more extreme cases though, so I wouldn't worry too much unless you feel like you are being harassed inside your home by them.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

To me if there's undeniable evidence of the "paranormal", it's undeniable evidence of reality being malleable ("magic"), and also that there really can be a spiritual realm after all, instead of such being a matter of faith (that can be challenged by science).

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

I then see what is best described as a classic shadow figure walking towards us. No features at all, just a fluffy, semi-transparent, man shaped, three-dimensional shadow. Like black smoke in the shape of a man.

I used to work overnights at the prosecuting attorney's office, secretarial and record work only, no law, not a lawyer. I was sorting the day's incoming arrest affidavits to their departments. I needed something from another desk, so I went to leave the room I was in. I reached the open door to the hallway, about three steps from it, and I saw a freestanding shadow figure my height, a male silhouette. The shadow making it up was like a baseball players shadow on a brightly lit field, the lights make several pale shadows around him like an asterisk. It was light dark, like one of those shadows. It sort of jerked, like it was surprised I could see it. I said hello very timidly, and it ran off to its right. Because I wasn't in the hallway, when the figure left the doorframe I couldn't see it anymore. The room and hallway were brightly lit, no shadow of mine on any walls, no reflective surfaces around. I didn't feel any malice or anything. Its the only one I've ever seen.

 

[Omen_Sulk]

To me if there's undeniable evidence of the "paranormal", it's undeniable evidence of reality being malleable ("magic"), and also that there really can be a spiritual realm after all, instead of such being a matter of faith (that can be challenged by science).

You'd have to find a basis for a theory of what "reality" actually is first, before you could say what is not "reality". Some scientists have put forward the assumption based on Teslas theory that the physical world we see all is oscillating energy grids within a certain frequency band. Similar to say the visible frequency band.



You could make the assumption then that visible spirits are creatures moving close to our frequency band. And it's not clear if you move outside the frequency band of current reality, that the physical laws of time and space start to apply loosely.

 

[Mothra1988]

To me if there's undeniable evidence of the "paranormal", it's undeniable evidence of reality being malleable ("magic"), and also that there really can be a spiritual realm after all, instead of such being a matter of faith (that can be challenged by science).

You need to remember that "scientism" is also a religion to people, one practiced by people that are more comfortable about what the TV and supposed "experts" tell them to think. If they experience anything paranormal, they tend to bury that away in the part of the brain where they willingly ignore things, because they can't deal with the cognitive dissonance and and cosmic horror of the fact they aren't actually in control. Thinking there's nothing more to everything just makes them feel comfortable some how despite how depressing that may seem to everyone else.

Uncovering evidence of the spiritual realm really isn't that hard. Some people are more "open" to communication than others, but with some effort I think anyone can uncover it. Not a lot of people will take you seriously however, because scientism is the dominant religion of the world right now.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

You need to remember that "scientism" is also a religion to people,

"Silly idiots believing in a spiritual realm without proof. Also, did you know we totally live in a simulation , we are computer program made by an alien dude, multiverses totally exist, source my ass"

 

[ToroidalBoat]

You could make the assumption then that visible spirits are creatures moving close to our frequency band.

The biggest evidence skeptics have against the spiritual is mind-brain dependence. One would need to address that to argue in favor of the existence of the spiritual.

You need to remember that "scientism" is also a religion to people, one practiced by people that are more comfortable about what the TV and supposed "experts" tell them to think.

And of course that fanatical thinking helped make "The New Normal" the crazy circus it was.

we totally live in a simulation

If this world really were in a simulation, it'd work just like dualism.

A computer simulation is just that: a simulation. So consciousness native to it is no more possible than characters in a dream having their own consciousness. Which means that in order for people to be in a simulation, they'd have to be connected to it, The Matrix style. There'd be the consciousness outside the simulation, and the brain and body working inside the simulation.

Which again sounds just like dualism with the spirit and material body.

 

[Omen_Sulk]

The biggest evidence skeptics have against the spiritual is mind-brain dependence. One would need to address that to argue in favor of the existence of the spiritual.

From what I've read, the consciousness, and the body are considered seperate. Existing in the same body, its just that the conciousness operates on a different frequency. Which would correlate with the declassified CIA report that remote viewing is possible. And at the precise moment of death, people lose weight by 21g.

There is another you, thats not completely within this bandwidth, that's connected to your physical body.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

And at the precise moment of death, people lose weight by 21g.

Swedenborg* (1688-1772) said there's a spiritual world and material world, that the material "corresponds" to the spiritual, and that there's spiritual and natural minds. Instead of the spiritual being some incorporeal material entity in New Church though, it's an entity beyond the material realm of space, time, and matter entirely.

*(pronounced like "sveh-den-bor-yuh" with the R like in Spanish or Japanese)

 

[Omen_Sulk]

Swedenborg* (1688-1772) said there's a spiritual world and material world, that the material "corresponds" to the spiritual, and that there's spiritual and natural minds. Instead of the spiritual being some incorporeal material entity in New Church though, it's an entity beyond the material realm of space, time, and matter entirely.

*(pronounced like "sveh-den-bor-yuh" with the R like in Spanish or Japanese)

Well our "matter" along this frequency may not be the same matter as in other frequencies. We don't even know what the rules are outside this frequency, or why there are rules in the first place.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

*(pronounced like "sveh-den-bor-yuh" with the R like in Spanish or Japanese)

People need to spell their foreign-ass names how they want them pronounced, or just put up with it stoically. I barely know what Swedenborgianism is and I know it as "Sweden-Borg-ianism". I doubt anyone would know what it is with either pronunciation. But I do find him interesting.

Similarly I think the Nahgooyens need to learn how to spell Winn, or make peace with the fact that English doesn't begin words with fucking ng. Anyway fuck Swedes and their hinga dinga durgens

 

[ToroidalBoat]

People need to spell their foreign-ass names how they want them pronounced, or just put up with it stoically.

that's a problem with Latin letters: inconsistent spelling

(trivia: over in Japan it's スヴェーデンボリ)

But I do find him interesting.

he did write quite a lot and it seems he had a lot of interesting experiences

 

[Quiet Guy]

You'd have to find a basis for a theory of what "reality" actually is first, before you could say what is not "reality". Some scientists have put forward the assumption based on Teslas theory that the physical world we see all is oscillating energy grids within a certain frequency band. Similar to say the visible frequency band.

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You could make the assumption then that visible spirits are creatures moving close to our frequency band. And it's not clear if you move outside the frequency band of current reality, that the physical laws of time and space start to apply loosely.

From what I understand, the fundamental forces of physics (gravity, electromagnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces) are supposed to be mediated by the exchange of particles that act as force carriers, such as photons for electromagnetism. I would imagine a change in the laws of physics would require the fields that I believe allows these particles to come into existence would need to be tampered with in some capacity. I actually wouldn't be too surprised if some beings from higher planes were capable of altering physics as we know it by introducing local fields that allow for new force particles, thereby effectively introducing new fundamental forces. I believe this is actually similar to something physicists have considered: different fundamental forces in hypothetical alternate universes.

I think spiritual power might be mediated by a different mechanism though.

In Tesla's theory would some kind of field be oscillating? What would prevent disparate frequencies from interacting? Does anyone have a hypothesis as to what could interfere with the laws of physics in such as scenario?