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[2mm and 99 others]

To men here, were you surprised by how your man voice had turned out, in comparison with how your boy one used to be?
When I talked about that with male friends, they said it did not come to them as surprise, I mean, one just does not get bass voice out of nowhere, it can be predicted up to some extent.
As we already observed, pooners tend come from those who are extremely girly or outright childlike in their physique, and you just don't get a proper man voice from a high squeaky baseline?

 

[Wendy Wheelchair]

To men here, were you surprised by how your man voice had turned out, in comparison with how your boy one used to be?
When I talked about that with male friends, they said it did not come to them as surprise, I mean, one just does not get bass voice out of nowhere, it can be predicted up to some extent.
As we already observed, pooners tend come from those who are extremely girly or outright childlike in their physique, and you just don't get a proper man voice from a high squeaky baseline?

The way this is formulated tells me you're an autistic woman who doesn't have much interaction with men.

Have you never heard of boys going through puberty's voice cracking? Most guys going through puberty are very self-conscious about their voice in particular, so it is a shock when you do have your voice crack. Every guy starts puberty at a different time and the duration is different between each person, exactly like with women. Some guys have their "final" voice by the time they're 15 while others may have their voice changing for a lot longer.

 

[2mm and 99 others]

Well, it's not like I talked to anyone much back then, but this is not what teen boys talk with girls about anyway, and grown men don't need to talk about this anymore? Girls don't discuss with boys their concerns about tits either.
I mean, of course the sudden change comes off as a shock with some fear that it might stay cracked like that, but those I talked with, said they already had a rough expectation of the end result and weren't negatively surprised.

 

[Dr. Air]

If Kyle is not pooner, he is the one true woman trapped in a man's body.

Are we literally killing MTF troons from here now? Kek.

If they keep taking T for years the voice does eventually drop to a normal octave. You can chemically thicken and lengthen but not narrow down and shorten body parts, in this case vocal chords.

I'm convinced frog voice is to do with the dosing of Testosterone. Most frog voice pooners develop the voice very quickly; like in the first month of dosing testosterone. My guess is that it's a higher dose than what real boys get when they start to get voice changes. The sudden push for masculation deforms the vocal chords. Actual boys in get a gradual increase of testosterone and already have higher testosterone levels even before puberty.

Some pooners do develop normal male voices

Yeah I've heard Pooners that don't have the frog voice it is normally ones that have been on it for years. Even then some of them always seem to have it, look at Buck, she still sounds like a frog and she's been on Testosterone for a long time.

I agree I think it's the sudden rapid increase in hormone levels way beyond what the human body would normally produce in a male during puberty that causes the vocal chords to develop abnormally.

The explanation about T and frog voice thing might be one theory but I'm gonna disagree;

Spoiler: Spergatorium

There's a thing called VTL (vocal tract length, cm) that is proportionate to the formant of the human voice. Women's range from estimates ~13.5-16.5 (13.8-15.5) and men's range from ~15.0-20.0 (16.5-18.5) (will update if it's wrong). Formant is basically just the thickness so no, women with greater VTLs won't necessarily sound like men or vice versa. Troons and pooners don't get to change them by hormones.

When a pooner gets her T dose after puberty, the VTL doesn't significantly increase or if it even does at all, but the vocal cords can thicken and yeah it gets deformed because it's in a smaller vocal tract, quite literally the frog-in-throat effect. The voice does drop to a normal octave in most cases and that's where you get the frog voice (if she starts off with the average female VTL).
The vocal tract grows to max length after puberty, supposedly. We already see the trooning out timeline in pooners of all heights and builts so the same can be said for few pooners who might've started off with a VTL that is probably kinda large for a woman and when her voice gets deeper it ends up like a "normal" male voice and therefore doesn't sound half as bad. Lucky for her I guess.

It's probably not even the sudden rapid increase or dosage of tesosterone, lil pooner's voice was already built like that then T comes in and frogs it up.
Who knows. Experts, CMV.

 

[Complete Reprobate]

To men here, were you surprised by how your man voice had turned out, in comparison with how your boy one used to be?
When I talked about that with male friends, they said it did not come to them as surprise, I mean, one just does not get bass voice out of nowhere, it can be predicted up to some extent.
As we already observed, pooners tend come from those who are extremely girly or outright childlike in their physique, and you just don't get a proper man voice from a high squeaky baseline?

It's a gradual thing which was not too noticeable, unless I was stressing my voice somehow (yelling, changing pitch rapidly, etc.). I also seem to recall that for short stretches of time, certain pitches just wouldn't work under certain situations. I think I had a fairly mild voice change, as I was never insecure or worried about it. All the rest of the fellers were experiencing the same thing, so it was all good.

Never really gave thought to what my voice would sound like afterwards, either. Maybe I'm the goof? Not sure.

 

[and I must scream]

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Being Told My Trans Story Is A Bad Example Of The Trans Experience And Being Shunned By Everyone For It​

so i guess my trans story isn’t welcome anywhere, because the way i feel about my transness doesn’t fit the binary storylines most trans people express.

i wasn’t born as a man, i grew into it. i never had much urge to be a boy besides wanting to escape my life. i experienced my first full on body dysphoria at 15 but i wasn’t necessarily feeling trans, just unhappy with my breasts that time. it went away and i barely ever felt discomfort until i was an adult and ended
up going from nb, to genderfluid, then genderfluid masc leaning, then slowly realizing i was so much happier masc presenting and then a trans man. but i was a woman for so long, i wanted people to like me and think i was sexy and fun, but as a woman.

i just changed. that’s it. one day it started growing until i was exploring and Adam (me) was broken out of that realm of static.

i wasn’t “born this way” like everyone always showboats around or says to not confuse the cis people. i grew into this and i grew up in churches of many denominations, i had no frame of reference. i had to build the man i’ve become from nothing, and i didn’t exactly have time to realize any huge gender epiphanies because i was quite literally fighting for my life as a child (won’t get into that, it’s very triggering i’m sure)

but telling people this has cause many people to “disagree” with my personal transition story. it’s caused me so much heartache, i feel like even other trans men hate me because of how i became trans. i’m so exhausted, this is so much harder when people gatekeep the right way to be trans.

does ANYONE feel this way?

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190 comments so far. I skimmed through, the comments seem supportive, many claim this is their experiences as well. Interesting.

So...
- "The child always knows they are trans" - evidently untrue.
- "I was born this way" - evidently many are not.
- By their own admission, ROGD is real. Rapid-onset gender dysphoria, is real. They did not have gender dysphoria, then at some point it suddenly developed. So yes, the phenomenon is real.
- If, as many of them admit themselves, people just "change", WHY are we not allowed to hypothesize that this change might came about due to external influences? How is it that every change (mental, feelings, thoughts, expressions) in a person, especially in teenagers and very young people, could be due to external influences, except when it comes to "gender identity"?

Edit to add - I forgot this one:
- "Gender identity is inborn and innate" - evidently untrue. This one for example admits she supposedly has the gender identity of a girl and a woman, than at some point she became gender fluid, then gender fluid masc leaning, then a man. And non of these past gender identities were invalid or unreal, according to her. So if gender identity could change, what are the justifications for medically transition kids and teenagers? And what are the justifications to affirm immediately and go straight to "gender affirming care", when this can change as times go on? Wouldn't the more rational course of action is to wait for a while to see if that sticks?

 

[Major]

To men here, were you surprised by how your man voice had turned out, in comparison with how your boy one used to be?
When I talked about that with male friends, they said it did not come to them as surprise, I mean, one just does not get bass voice out of nowhere, it can be predicted up to some extent.
As we already observed, pooners tend come from those who are extremely girly or outright childlike in their physique, and you just don't get a proper man voice from a high squeaky baseline?

I never really noticed it changing. Other than that I wished mine was deeper.

On another note: Why are pooners obsessed with fitting in to the 'male' community? Do they think the 'old boys club' is literally real and there's a smoke filled room of manly men doing manly things like armwrestling and woodworking?

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

On another note: Why are pooners obsessed with fitting in to the 'male' community? Do they think the 'old boys vlud' is literally real and there's a smoke filled room of manly men doing manly things like armwrestling and woodworking?

They probably do think that. Never forget how many of them get their idea of "what men are like" from bad adaptations of Arthur Conan Doyle stories.

 

[a feel]

i wasn’t born as a man, i grew into it. i never had much urge to be a boy besides wanting to escape my life. i experienced my first full on body dysphoria at 15 but i wasn’t necessarily feeling trans, just unhappy with my breasts that time. it went away and i barely ever felt discomfort until i was an adult and ended
up going from nb, to genderfluid, then genderfluid masc leaning, then slowly realizing i was so much happier masc presenting and then a trans man. but i was a woman for so long, i wanted people to like me and think i was sexy and fun, but as a woman.

rofl, this dumb cunt! What is wrong with younger people that they don't simply become a pants-wearing, short-haired woman who enjoys these things and have people like them? There's literally nothing stopping her from just throwing on a pair of jeans and an old t-shirt and still be a woman instead of this gender shit that makes clothing choices "masc presenting".

I've lived my entire life being an average looking woman too lazy to bother with makeup and clothing styles, having short hair and wearing mostly men's clothes because they have pockets and aren't made from the thinnest, flimsiest fabrics. And I live a happy normal life, although I sometimes have to gently let down other women who mistake me for a butch lesbian, which I am not.

When have we got to the point where the first thought that comes to a young person's head is "imma go chop off my genitals and pretend to be someone with less problems" instead of just putting on a pair of pants (or whatever) and just going about your day accepting that life sometimes just sucks, especially puberty, but everyone has to play the hand they've been given and that's just it?

 

[Weebtard]

Being Told My Trans Story Is A Bad Example Of The Trans Experience And Being Shunned By Everyone For It​

so i guess my trans story isn’t welcome anywhere, because the way i feel about my transness doesn’t fit the binary storylines most trans people express.

i wasn’t born as a man, i grew into it. i never had much urge to be a boy besides wanting to escape my life. i experienced my first full on body dysphoria at 15 but i wasn’t necessarily feeling trans, just unhappy with my breasts that time. it went away and i barely ever felt discomfort until i was an adult and ended
up going from nb, to genderfluid, then genderfluid masc leaning, then slowly realizing i was so much happier masc presenting and then a trans man. but i was a woman for so long, i wanted people to like me and think i was sexy and fun, but as a woman.

i just changed. that’s it. one day it started growing until i was exploring and Adam (me) was broken out of that realm of static.

i wasn’t “born this way” like everyone always showboats around or says to not confuse the cis people. i grew into this and i grew up in churches of many denominations, i had no frame of reference. i had to build the man i’ve become from nothing, and i didn’t exactly have time to realize any huge gender epiphanies because i was quite literally fighting for my life as a child (won’t get into that, it’s very triggering i’m sure)

but telling people this has cause many people to “disagree” with my personal transition story. it’s caused me so much heartache, i feel like even other trans men hate me because of how i became trans. i’m so exhausted, this is so much harder when people gatekeep the right way to be trans.

does ANYONE feel this way?

Basically, she's never faced any sort of hard trauma or experience in her life. she's most likely never been humbled or told she sucks. she wants to be trans to feel like she is "someone" or that there is more to her humanity. She's shallow as fuck. Again, inmature little girls in the body of WOMEN. There's nothing here that denotes uniqueness. it's all "my gender identity this, my gender identity that". Like, Sarah can say she's someone who's had to work to become the mathematics teacher she is today, Jessica can say her fitness journey's shaped her due to the discipline involved in that, Jake might say that his multiple jobs; gigs, and hobbies have molded him into a "person"... they all involve life experiences or interests that can define you. THIS LITTLE GIRL has none of that.

you were basically an unremarkable girl who took on nonbinary like most unremarkable girls this last decade, then you took that further by adding the "masc" tag, and then """"developed"""" that into trannydom. Get a fucking hobby. watch a show. read a book. lift some weights. get a job. go to university. Play a videogame.

 

[deermeat]

Sometimes the frog voice can be caused by pooner's prior vocal tone. Vocal fry can cause a frog-like voice in non pooners, so if a pooner goes on T while previously having a vocal fry they will end up with a frog voice.

 

[Xanthe]

I never really noticed it changing. Other than that I wished mine was deeper.

On another note: Why are pooners obsessed with fitting in to the 'male' community? Do they think the 'old boys club' is literally real and there's a smoke filled room of manly men doing manly things like armwrestling and woodworking?

I guess. But pooners tend to also know troons. They had to notice that troons were getting it wrong with how they thought women operated, right? Like, we know we don't do pillow fight sleepovers, so why do pooners think men smoke cigars in a lodge?

 

[Procrastinhater]

I guess. But pooners tend to also know troons. They had to notice that troons were getting it wrong with how they thought women operated, right? Like, we know we don't do pillow fight sleepovers, so why do pooners think men smoke cigars in a lodge?

What do you mean men don't smoke cigars while drinking brandy in the Lodge?
Next you're gonna be saying crazy shit like we don't grill trays of vegetables when we BBQ with our boys.

 

[shatterspinel]

I guess. But pooners tend to also know troons. They had to notice that troons were getting it wrong with how they thought women operated, right? Like, we know we don't do pillow fight sleepovers, so why do pooners think men smoke cigars in a lodge?

There’s always the two types, the ones who over compensate with outdated social norms and the ones who think that they’re rebelling. So a masculine trans woman to a pooner is just expanding the definition of womanhood, just like how they think they’re redefining manhood by being overly sensitive and dressing like clown children.

 

[Candidate No 7]

Trans joy: pet edition.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

supposedly Testostorone insensitive male

Who said that? Or do you mean people here speculating? (I didn't hear him say it but I was doing other things. I thought he avoided any medical anything, which tbh is fair.)

I think he's just male with feminine mannerisms and a high voice. I have never seen a woman's hands that elongated and rectangular, but I fully admit sucking at all this feature-scrutinizing.

They probably do think that. Never forget how many of them get their idea of "what men are like" from bad adaptations of Arthur Conan Doyle stories.

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I've been to private clubs that had men-only areas. They were exactly what they looked like in old movies - all carved & polished wood, leather club chairs, cigar-cutters on side tables in each cluster of seating, walls of books, low lighting, (male) servers bringing drinks (heavy on the brown liquors, natch) on silver trays, the whole bit. Absolutely gorgeous spaces. These days, many of the old ones still look the same, though less (or no, depending) smoking, but are co-ed.

I'm using this tangent as an excuse to post some clubs - NY Yacht Club, University Club, Yale Club of NY, and the Knickerbocker Club)

Spoiler: Warning: gorgeous interiors ahead

Note just men in the 3rd one, and a clear interloper in the second.

 

[Procrastinhater]

Who said that? Or do you mean people here speculating?

Personal observation. For a natal male to have so many feminine features he would have to be completely insensitive to Testosterone or have some other endocrine disorder, or something like Klinefelters, but none of these things make sense, among other things since she's so hairy. An actual male with these conditions wouldn't be able to grow a full beard or have so much body hair, which is just another sign she's a Pooner taking Testosterone.
There's just so many female characteristics, I don't want to continue to focus on her I think I've said all I can about it, but I'm 100% certain she's a Pooner. To be a natal male she would have to be a 1 in fuck knows how many millions genetic disaster, a complete freak. Proteus syndrome and other extremely rare genetic conditions are more widely represented than whatever the fuck would make an actual male end up like her. It's just so outside the bounds of probability Occams Razor says she's a dood.
I stand by my determination.

 

[Bloo]

Uh oh!
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That pooner from some defending Star Wars video, notable mostly for being a really, really weird pooner, above being about the only supportive star wars opinion - is now saying she has been wrongly transvesigated-

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CNcyVFMJ-rE#

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I like how they just couldn't let it slide.
Pooner replies saying it's funny that he subjectively says she's objectively not attractive. He points out that there are such things as objective good looks duh.

Anyway I need to finish watching the rest.

It would be very very funny to me if it turns out that is an incredibly unfortunate looking man with the worst voice in the world lmao

I do see a lot of “transvestigations” of people who are clearly not trans in any way, I saw one of Margot Robbie once. This on the other hand…

 

[AfghanBlue]

It would be very very funny to me if it turns out that is an incredibly unfortunate looking man with the worst voice in the world lmao

I do see a lot of “transvestigations” of people who are clearly not trans in any way, I saw one of Margot Robbie once. This on the other hand…

So the transvesigation of people who blatantly are true and honest, is actually a much longer running very particular flavour of skitzoid thing that's been going on for decades.
It's like the illuminati have this ritual of "inverting" everyone/thing, or some such nonsense.
That is probably the case for the Robbie accusation.

 

[and I must scream]

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