Megathread The Pooner Zoo - A thread for collecting wild Pooners and posting OC Pooners, and anything Pooner related

[Alfred Delapore]

These are exercises for people who are middle aged or in physical therapy, the "trainers" are not working with fit young people and don't need to maintain a good physique to be an example to their clients. In fact, it helps to be a tiny bit "pudgy" because someone recovering from a knee surgery or whatever is less likely to be resentful if they're not working with a gym bunny/rat, which in turn makes them more likely to stick to whatever kind of exercise regimen they're put on.

(2/3 of physical therapists are female, by the way...)

That's what makes this so funny. The article is targeted at 70+ Boomers and instead of using a fit 70 year old for the model, they chose the fitness equivalent... a 20-something pooner.

The other things that made me laugh as a transvestigator:

1. I instantly peeped the pooner from the photo and would have been sure without any further info, but they also credited her: "Body by Tray". https://www.instagram.com/bodybytray/
2. "Tray", lol. Classic, vaguely male-coded name with a strangely plausible deniability. No John or David or Micheal for Tray (of Pudding)
3. By themselves, 1 and 2 wouldn't be funny if she were presenting a vibe you'd expect from a physical therapist for the elderly. Sort of a sunny, friendly "Come on, Maude, you can do it" attitude. But nope, Tray is projecting Smug, Ruff n' Tuff Pooner energy!
4. You can see this attitude more clearly on her IG. She does zero training with the elderly, it's all training trannies. So the NYT 100% picked her as an incongruous model for the identity politics. Most hilariously, on her IG she brags "I’ve never done a box jump before that day— so leave me alone about my form lol (actually hadn’t done a lot of things that was in this)". A trainer who's never done a box jump. Oh boy. And the specific "box jump" she performs is what you'd expect a 6 year old to do his first day of gym class.
5. "Getting stronger legs to take down fascist America". You're 4'11" and 230 lbs and weaker than a 13 year old boy, you delusional little retard.
6. Lots of Smug Big Boi selfies.

 

[The Skeksis Emperor]

I'm not denying anything, mang. I legitimately looked at a bunch of random pages ITT and most were laughing at pooners for the normal shit they'd fail at being "men." I'm saying I am clearly in the dark on the reasons and it obviously came off like denying those reasons exist.

I have no idea what "packers" or "AAP fujos" are. Pooner AGP? I'd heard a lot of them are pooning out and watching gay male porn, which is something I hadn't heard before. This is the stuff I knew would exist so thanks. I'll search on here. BTW, is there a thread-specific search option built-in to KF?

There's a lot of discussion of what makes a pooner and different types of pooners in various threads. There is a large variety of pooners, but they are not harmless. Many are happy to deceive people for attention or sex, although it rarely works for obvious reasons. Audrey Hale the school shooter was a pooner, and there are more pooners who get very aggro and sometimes violent, even though they are tiny tiny women - like this lil pooner at a car dealership (a classic!):

Packers are fake penises pooners put in their underwear. Sometimes they even crochet their own! AAP is autoandrophilia, indeed the female version of AGP. AAP pooners will say and post the most disgusting sexual things. If you are brave, there is /r/FTMPunished.

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[Iron Jaguar]

ATTENTION MEN! Next time you’re joking around with the bros and talking about trannies or someone’s rack… If there’s a very quiet lil 5 foot tall dood in the corner all wide eyed and blushing, make sure to include him in the transphobia/misogyny so they don’t feel left out:

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Lol! Do speak out lil pooner! I can just imagine everyone’s eyes turning to the lil dood with the frog voice starting to lecture them on how they need to do better, and how transmisogyny is heckin’ bad.

I’d imagine the realization that men talk about tits, legs and ass and not a girls personality or how she “makes him feel” must be terrifying for you average pooner.

As is the realization that the anime’s were lying to her and men don’t sit and discuss their feelings in the locker room.

The funny thing is that they likely toned it down, since surely they noticed the little “dude” hanging out. Listening with her big, glistening eyes going wide.

She's not involved in these conversations. She is talking about what she overhears when she's hiding timidly in a toilet cubicle in the Men's toilets at a bar.

. I asked you if there was anything inherently negative about these girls worth making fun of or getting pissed at.

Speaking for myself, I hate women trying to invade men's spaces.

Girls are inferior to men when it comes to physical assault and being raped. That's why many of them transition; to avoid it happening again.

Fucking bullshit. This has been discussed to death and it's just demonstrably untrue.

Nah, it's probably because pooners can pass pretty well and I'm just not as dedicated to studying pooners as you guys. If only you were there, toe_schnitzel. If only you were there.

Ok, you're either a Pooner or a troll. You certainly write like a woman.

 

[Twix Eatr]

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Agreed They aren't all harmless, that's for sure. The stealthing thing is also a huge issue I have. I wish more people stopped cosigning the idea that it's brave to "live your truth" while denying reality and ignoring someone's sexual orientation.

The ones going aggro off test are in for a rude awakening for how men treat one another. Pooner in the video seems lucky she didn't pass. The Audrey Hale one was the lesbian with internalized homophobia, right? Diary entries about wishing she had a penis or something so her life would be easier? I can't remember if she was on test. There's clearly an issue with so much of this, including the pooners. It's insane how much is compounded by captured media that'll minimize the insanity from troons and blame the public for not relenting.

Thanks a lot for the screenshot of the search! Edit: women crocheting a mock-penis to prove they're men is hilarious. Man, this gender machine needs to be put down.

Speaking for myself, I hate women trying to invade men's spaces.

I absolutely do, too. I've only had it happen from regular women at raves, but it's every one I go to now. I tell them they're in the wrong bathroom. It's annoying and they're far messier than men to toilets, in my opinion. I don't want them trying to blend in, either. I'll give pooners shit for it, too.

Fucking bullshit. This has been discussed to death and it's just demonstrably untrue.

It's demonstrably untrue that many of the pooners do so due to previous/unwanted sexual attention or abuse from men? Is there anything you can link me to that's more substantial than referencing posts and discussions you've had here? How untrue is it, like it doesn't ever happen, or it's like 1% of the pooner world? I said "many" to mean a sizable amount, not all of them.

I definitely think there's allure to being seen as a man from a woman's perspective, which can often be shaped by their previous experiences with men. Just one example, but Teena Brandon started wearing huge, baggy clothes to hide her female figure. She was molested by a family member for many years, IIRC. She was also likely a lesbian. For men, it's kind of the opposite. Who wants to be seen as those most vulnerable to SA and go on dates with the people most likely to commit it? Sexual deviants. Anyway, I'm open to being wrong about this and don't want to promote a falsehood.

Posts like, "BULLSHIT! YOU'RE A POONER, AREN'T YOU?!" make me lose confidence in your pooner-detecting abilities. Writing like a woman = obvious sarcasm, apparently. I wonder how many butch lesbians at bars you've made pull out the ol' earbuds? If I weren't a man, how do you explain my facial hair? Women don't usually have a single facial hair and I have about 40. If this were IRL, I'd wear my combat boots and do a little tap-dance on your head.

 

[GluttonousManSlob]

I'd heard a lot of them are pooning out and watching gay male porn, which is something I hadn't heard before.

There is a specific genre of manga/anime called yaoi, which exclusively focuses on relationships between gay men and is aimed at female readers/watchers. A fujoshi (fujo for short) is a woman who is really, really fucking into yaoi and gay stuff (fanfiction where all of the characters are turned gay is pretty popular with western fujos too). The big thing with yaoi is the voyeuristic aspect, where the women insert themselves into these relationships and usually get off sexually to them. In the case of pooners, it moves beyond mere voyeurism and they actually want to become the men they see in their gay porn.

The fundamental issue (discounting that pooners can't become men) is their idea of a gay relationship is based off idyllic/horny fantasies. It's not realistic to a man's lived experience, let alone the lived experience of a gay man. Gay men absolutely hate pooners.

 

[Jizzrag]

Remember Kikomi, the AFAB trans girl?

Spoiler: spoiler

Well, meet Ayden, the AMAB trans guy!

 

[Twix Eatr]

Interesting. Odd, actually. Are the pooners who do this in their minds straight or gay? As in, are they into men in general (straight), but are such deviants they want gay men after them? Do they have a typical look that other pooners don't? Any notable crimes carried out by the ones we'd ID as fujos, like cameras in gay bar bathrooms?

Admittedly, I'm not exactly comfortable Googling weirdo manga gay hentai porn. But I don't want to keep asking you shit I can Google myself. I do thank you for the backstory on this. It is helpful. Is this topic safe where I won't run into sexualized depictions of kids or something?

 

[deermeat]

Funny when they say Marsha Johnson threw the first brick as if to mean troons are responsible for our rights.
1. Like someone else mentioned, the first two to start the riot was a lesbian and a gay man.
2. Marsha was a drag queen, not a tranny. So he was a gay man.
3. Lets humor their disgusting rewriting of history and suggest Marsha was trans, he would still be a HSTS when the average tranny today is a transbian / fujo.
And even if he was trans, that doesn't make transgenderism legit. Not sure why they point at history and act like if they existed back then that means they are credible. Mental illness always existed.

 

[expectant asshole]

Making fun of dysfunctional, poor behavior, is

the whole point of Kiwifarms.

 

[Paper Machete]

Is this topic safe where I won't run into sexualized depictions of kids or something?

lol no. A lot of fujo are obsessed with age gap relationships. If not outright shota and underage teens with older mentor figures or whatever they're at least making it super obvious the as young as possible but still technically legal adult one is less experienced than the older one. They're really into ships with a power dynamic and if not ships that are "best buds".

I can't remember if she was on test.

She was not! Everyone tries to point to her because she committed a very violent act and be all "T did this!" but she wasn't on testosterone. That was home grown crazy. It was actually one of the things she was super pissed about, that she couldn't be on it.

It's demonstrably untrue that many of the pooners do so due to previous/unwanted sexual attention or abuse from men? Is there anything you can link me to that's more substantial than referencing posts and discussions you've had here? How untrue is it, like it doesn't ever happen, or it's like 1% of the pooner world? I said "many" to mean a sizable amount, not all of them.

It's anecdotal both ways. Because you cannot prove that some rando on the internet ranting about their uncle bad touching is true or not. It's theorizing either way. Just look up the stats on rates of abuse for women...you'll get a picture. You now, because they're women. I don't doubt that sexual abuse plays a role in it for some of them, just like it does for a lot of the (especially younger) TIMs. Sexual abuse can really fuck you up and people like to think it only ever makes you anxious and sad and gives you nightmares (because it's easier to be sympathetic to someone like that) but sometimes it also can make you a degen too. Either because you're acting out replays of your own abuse in a variety of ways or what have you. But people are not really discounting that some pooners have SA in their past but that it is the main reason for the majority of pooners.

 

[FinnSven]

Funny when they say Marsha Johnson threw the first brick as if to mean troons are responsible for our rights.
1. Like someone else mentioned, the first two to start the riot was a lesbian and a gay man.
2. Marsha was a drag queen, not a tranny. So he was a gay man.
3. Lets humor their disgusting rewriting of history and suggest Marsha was trans, he would still be a HSTS when the average tranny today is a transbian / fujo.
And even if he was trans, that doesn't make transgenderism legit. Not sure why they point at history and act like if they existed back then that means they are credible. Mental illness always existed.

Also he wasn’t even there at that point.

Someone just claimed he was and the rest of them ran with it.

 

[Magic Pickle]

Are the pooners who do this in their minds straight or gay? As in, are they into men in general (straight), but are such deviants they want gay men after them? Do they have a typical look that other pooners don't? Any notable crimes carried out by the ones we'd ID as fujos, like cameras in gay bar bathrooms?

Spoiler: Just a bit of an explanation.

In terms of their own self-image, they consider themselves gay males, but in terms of actual behavior they certainly seem comfortable acting like stereotypical straight girls (as they often still have very 'straight female' expectations of their male partners - let's just say gay men seem more open to negotiation when it comes to condoms). "Gay trans men" also tend to be extremely flamboyant compared to their "straight" counterparts (as in, homosexual female-to-males), but there's no one tell to look for aside from them squawking constantly about being proud trans fags or whatever.

As for crimes, hop over to r/gaytransguys and you'll find stories here and there about having 'stealth sex' with gay men and how proud they are to finally feel 'gay' in doing so. Depending on your opinion, you may not consider that to be criminal activity, but I believe tricking people into sex with those they would not otherwise consent to is pretty objectionable behavior, regardless of where the law itself stands.

Lou Sullivan is a notorious "gay trans guy" who died of AIDS after having unprotected sex with gay men, and she bragged openly about how she was going to die as a gay man. Take that for what you will.

Now to contribute: a FTM turns to her community to discuss the wet and wild world of writing wankery for women-- er, li'l doodz! The post, however, ends up instigating a fight between all the girlies about who is a True Trans Male and who is just some kind of fujoshi poser.
Link | Archive

writing erotica for trans men, tips?​

putting it out there: i'm a trans dude too, but i also like reading others perspectives and ideas lol. everyone has different comforts, pet peeves, etc, and i'd love to hear about it.
I'm looking to write an erotic story from a FTM character perspective because, let's be honest, the erotica department is kinda unforgiving towards trans men. so, what are some things i should avoid? terms you like to be used when referring to genitelia? or do you have any pet peeves/complaints you want to throw out there?
anything helps lol <3

Spoiler: A dive into the comments section; mind the anglerfish.

 

[Twix Eatr]

Funny when they say Marsha Johnson threw the first brick as if to mean troons are responsible for our rights.

I'm sure women love hearing how they must share their prison cells and bathrooms with troons because one of them once bashed someone in the head with a brick.

Also he wasn’t even there at that point.

Someone just claimed he was and the rest of them ran with it.

As is tradition. Not only was the woman often credited with responsibility a lesbian, but she was also black. But you know, the wrong kind. They love their revisionist history, though. But she wasn't was that specific lesbian, either. Sylvia Rivera is also another who they pretend was a pioneer of the movement. He lied about being there and was high on heroin uptown. Even Marsha called him on it, and as far as I know, didn't lie about his own involvement.

As for crimes, hop over to r/gaytransguys and you'll find stories here and there about having 'stealth sex' with gay men and how proud they are to finally feel 'gay' in doing so. Depending on your opinion, you may not consider that to be criminal activity, but I believe tricking people into sex with those they would not otherwise consent to is pretty objectionable behavior, regardless of where the law itself stands.

I have a huge issue with it and consider it rape by deception. Others ITT seem to disagree on what a justified response is when someone finds out during the act.

She was not! Everyone tries to point to her because she committed a very violent act and be all "T did this!" but she wasn't on testosterone. That was home grown crazy. It was actually one of the things she was super pissed about, that she couldn't be on it.

I didn't think she was, either. It's odd they'd point that out as a positive for them because it's a bigger strike against giving females T.

It's anecdotal both ways. Because you cannot prove that some rando on the internet ranting about their uncle bad touching is true or not. It's theorizing either way. Just look up the stats on rates of abuse for women...you'll get a picture. You now, because they're women. I don't doubt that sexual abuse plays a role in it for some of them, just like it does for a lot of the (especially younger) TIMs. Sexual abuse can really fuck you up and people like to think it only ever makes you anxious and sad and gives you nightmares (because it's easier to be sympathetic to someone like that) but sometimes it also can make you a degen too. Either because you're acting out replays of your own abuse in a variety of ways or what have you. But people are not really discounting that some pooners have SA in their past but that it is the main reason for the majority of pooners.

Definitely. I was referring to actual papers that report stuff like that, although who knows how much trust you can put in any research currently. It's probably likely they'd never allow that to get out, either. I do think that sexual abuse is a constant and probably in more girl's lives than fujo porn. But anecdotal, indeed.

I also agree about degeneracy. Plenty of chomos were abused themselves. I think some theorize it's about being the one in control. Who knows? It definitely doesn't make me more sympathetic to the point of forgiving them for crimes, though. It's insane seeing judges do shit like this. It's hard to believe they aren't the same freaks in our public schools. Thanks for the responses, MP and PM.

 

[FinnSven]

I also agree about degeneracy. Plenty of chomos were abused themselves. I think some theorize it's about being the one in control.

I don’t know if there are any actual dependable figures or numbers relating to this but at a rough zero evidenced guess, it seems that there is a 50/50 split between nonces who were abused and those who were not.

A lot of boys who grow up to be gay who also claim childhood child abuse, always seem to have been abused by men.
Maybe these particular nonces have a “good” gaydar or maybe it has a psychological impact?

 

[Fapcop]

!
I’ll take “things men never say for 500!”

 

[Paper Machete]

Maybe these particular nonces have a “good” gaydar or maybe it has a psychological impact?

It's because if you're acting out abuse or "it wasn't trauma, because I liked it" then you're going to act out with someone similar to your abuser. It's why so many prior victims have "daddy" kinks and lean into relationships with power imbalances either because of real age gaps or because of contrived "roles". I also think some people can develop obsessive compulsive tendencies towards things that hurt them/self-harming behavior and that definitely plays into victims of SA who are hypersexual too. There really is no one exact why that a victim can respond to abuse, I think. There are lots of different ways it can go for each individual and that even might change as they get older too.

It's pretty insidious because people just assume the individual "wants" whatever is going on because it's technically consensual. And this reinforces their lifestyle choices as something natural to them as opposed to perhaps being a result of deep hurt and because their ability to set boundaries and all has been damaged. Anyway, sperging over.

 

[FinnSven]

I think. There are lots of different ways it can go for each individual and that even might change as they get older too.

It’s terrible because it is the least understood area of psychology and it’s not like anyone can really do conclusive research.

Obviously no institution anywhere could tolerate or sanction a decades long series of clinical sexual abuses to see if they can identify patterns or consistent behaviors.

 

[Twix Eatr]

Maybe these particular nonces have a “good” gaydar or maybe it has a psychological impact?

Or maybe tons of kids get abused and confirmation bias is at play here? Tough to estimate any of this, unfortunately. I definitely think it has an impact, though. Interesting point.

 

[scathefire]

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I’ll take “things men never say for 500!”

Why does this apply to their definition of being a man when it doesn't seem to have applied to them as women? Why do they need to poon out in order to defy gender roles? Lmao

 

[FinnSven]

Or maybe tons of kids get abused and confirmation bias is at play here?

Talking from experience?