Megathread The Pooner Zoo - A thread for collecting wild Pooners and posting OC Pooners, and anything Pooner related

[Paper Machete]

I have a question. Why can't pooners just fuck men they want to fuck as a woman? My pooner tendencies basically melted away when I realised that I can just do that instead of larping as a male

They gain confidence they didn't have before by playing as another character rather than dealing with whatever insecurities were holding them back as themselves.

Also, some of them get a legit perverse kick out of it.

 

[gampboonerisms]

Um, Americans? Do you call the toilet in your own house a 'restroom'? This is a serious enquiry.

Yeah, you go to the restroom to use the commode. But you never say commode in polite company. You go to the bathroom to wash up. Contextual stuff and old world words.

 

[w.a.m.s.]

I have a question. Why can't pooners just fuck men they want to fuck as a woman? My pooner tendencies basically melted away when I realised that I can just do that instead of larping as a male

They gain confidence they didn't have before by playing as another character rather than dealing with whatever insecurities were holding them back as themselves.

Also, some of them get a legit perverse kick out of it.

Agreed and would like to add to this:

They think doing x as a man means they are subject to male expectations instead of female ones (similar for ~nonbinary~ women, who view that identity as "blank slate no standards do anything you want"). When they larp as a male and fuck men, they stop feeling like it's "normal female behavior (if a little indecent and frowned-upon") and instead see their behavior as "edgy rebellious provocative ~queer~".

This logic also applies to other seemingly contradictory "feminine ftm" behaviors:

• Wearing eyeliner as a girl is so normal that nobody bats an eye. Wearing eyeliner as a boy means you're wearing guyliner and it's cool and transgressive!
• Wearing a dress and feminine clothing as a woman is frequently what's expected of you, and means you are subject to wondering things like "is this dress right for my body type? is it covering what it's supposed to? does it make my legs/breasts/butt look weird? do these earrings fit my face shape?" Wearing feminine clothing as a Manly Man or a Unique Nonbinary means there are no rules that you will fail to conform to, because only women are expected to wear skirts and jewelry - you are liberated because you identify as not like the other girls.
• When a woman is ~in touch with her feelings~ or ~sensitive~, that might fly under the radar or be viewed as a liability. But if you are a ~sensitive man~, that must make you ~deep~ and ~gender nonconforming~ (and possibly ~stand out from the other guys~ if the pooner in question is a lesbian).
  • A lot of pooners have this expectation that their emotional dysregulation and mental illness symptoms will be taken more seriously if they are recognized as men (manly noble suffering! even Jesus wept!), and in this thread you can see how well that's working out for them.

 

[Ruined by the Rain]

They think doing x as a man means they are subject to male expectations instead of female ones (similar for ~nonbinary~ women, who view that identity as "blank slate no standards do anything you want"). When they larp as a male and fuck men, they stop feeling like it's "normal female behavior (if a little indecent and frowned-upon") and instead see their behavior as "edgy rebellious provocative ~queer~".

Sometimes one has to admit that they're a slag and start scheming to hide it from other women. I think gaining confidence and learning to tell others to fuck off and die when they disagree with your life choices would prevent women from becoming pooners

 

[Aunt Carol]

When they larp as a male and fuck men, they stop feeling like it's "normal female behavior (if a little indecent and frowned-upon") and instead see their behavior as "edgy rebellious provocative ~queer~"

I think this is a part of the onramp to the fujo-to-pooner pipeline.

When you hit the age where you are suddenly having those feelings, for boys, nobody cares or is surprised because you're a girl turning into a heterosexual woman.

But to you, your sexual awakening is the most important thing in the world, completely unprecedented, a little scary and forbidden-feeling. Where in media (etc.) do you see that feeling portrayed, with as much importance as it deserves?

Gay male coming-of-age stories. Where an attraction to men is a surprise and a secret and still a little dangerous, and not just "haha she's boy-crazy now."

Without the wisdom to understand exactly why that resonates, it's easy these days for a teenage girl to draw some dangerously wrong conclusions.

 

[w.a.m.s.]

I think this is a part of the onramp to the fujo-to-pooner pipeline.

When you hit the age where you are suddenly having those feelings, for boys, nobody cares or is surprised because you're a girl turning into a heterosexual woman.

But to you, your sexual awakening is the most important thing in the world, completely unprecedented, a little scary and forbidden-feeling. Where in media (etc.) do you see that feeling portrayed, with as much importance as it deserves?

Gay male coming-of-age stories. Where an attraction to men is a surprise and a secret and still a little dangerous, and not just "haha she's boy-crazy now."

Without the wisdom to understand exactly why that resonates, it's easy these days for a teenage girl to draw some dangerously wrong conclusions.

Cannot agree enough. This explains so much!

Also, now that you mention it:

"she's becoming boy-crazy" feels like some kind of power differential to a girl hitting puberty, where whoever she has feelings for has the power to make you feel all these vulnerable things. Possibly all boys she could potentially be "crazy" about, possibly the entire male sex. That's also the age where she's realizing that boys (and men) notice her sexually, and she wants some of them to do that, but definitely not all of them, and she probably lacks the insight or language to explain this. Burgeoning sexuality is already this whole weird feeling that feels like it's out of your control, especially at that age, and that compounds even further into "this can't possibly be normal/okay" if she has autism, a history of being sexually abused, or other common pooner comorbidities.

If a girl is like 12, or has those comorbidities, the option to identify as a boy must sound like "choosing" to approach boys as an equal in the power dynamic (you're the same as them! you don't have girl vulnerabilities or do things for wacky denigrated girl reasons!).

Girl turning into a heterosexual woman and approaching men --> girl approaching the stage where she can expect her man of choice to treat her like a fancy accessory, a maid, a wife, just a part of his identity. To be a teenage girl and notice this (even if you can't really put it into words) is admittedly a terrifying, helpless feeling. Obviously there are more constructive ways to deal with it than pooning out, but I get why a girl would hear "become a stunning and brave BOY!" as a way to opt out of it while retaining the ability to get romantic/sexual fulfillment from boys/men.

Fujo turning into a trans king --> she can "choose" whether she'd rather be the domineering, stoic seme or the sensitive, giving uke. Both are uwu valid ways to be a man, regardless of how most pooners take on the second presentation. If she "chooses" to be the uke via transition, that feels different from having people just expect her to act that way as a woman.

 

[Hamplanet Fitness]

Why can't pooners just fuck men they want to fuck as a woman?

Because they fetishize gay men and enjoy gay male relationship dynamics (though many are grossed out by actual gay male sex practices, whodathunk). Blame heartstopper, yaoi, fanfiction, etc.

 

[Aunt Carol]

That's also the age where she's realizing that boys (and men) notice her sexually, and she wants some of them to do that, but definitely not all of them, and she probably lacks the insight or language to explain this. Burgeoning sexuality is already this whole weird feeling that feels like it's out of your control, especially at that age, and that compounds even further into "this can't possibly be normal/okay" if she has autism, a history of being sexually abused, or other common pooner comorbidities.

^Bolded the most important part.

Trying to save awkward tween girls from poonery with lectures about Jesus or biotruths is not enough. A girl hits puberty and suddenly has to square new realizations about society and her role therein, along with her own strange feelings, the unknown betrayal within--and do it all with a 12-year-old brain. The problem is that out of all the "phases" a kid can go through and come out the other side, if they hit the "trans" phase all these external forces swoop down to lock "trans" in for permanence, and make sure it takes up all of their attention. In the past girls could muddle through high school, wear unflattering sweatshirts as necessary, and come out the other end with a working understanding of Self, or at least the start of one.

Because they fetishize gay men and enjoy gay male relationship dynamics (though many are grossed out by actual gay male sex practices, whodathunk). Blame heartstopper, yaoi, fanfiction, etc.

Yaoi hole, dude.

It just proves more that it's a fantasy.

 

[90 Day Beyonce]

Girl turning into a heterosexual woman and approaching men --> girl approaching the stage where she can expect her man of choice to treat her like a fancy accessory, a maid, a wife, just a part of his identity. To be a teenage girl and notice this (even if you can't really put it into words) is admittedly a terrifying, helpless feeling.

A combo of being horny for dudes, but being put off by the "girlfriend" role (from what you've seen in porn, or fiction, or real life unhappy relationships) can be part of it. Better to be some cute guy's boyfriend than his lame, nagging girlfriend, right?

 

[Ruined by the Rain]

Because they fetishize gay men and enjoy gay male relationship dynamics

Like what? You can have a taste for incredibly gay looking 80s leathermen and still fuck them as a woman. Worst case scenario you can still ask some guy to put on those gear for you

A combo of being horny for dudes, but being put off by the "girlfriend" role (from what you've seen in porn, or fiction, or real life unhappy relationships) can be part of it. Better to be some cute guy's boyfriend than his lame, nagging girlfriend, right?

I feel like it boils down to spineless neurotic women pooning out because they feels like it'll make them more confident and get what they want. I mean you don't see many strong willed pooners either

 

[But During the Stone Age!]

Both of you have hit the nail on the head when it comes to how it feels as a maturing girl.

If you grew up in the late 90s to early 2010s, then you will remember so much media that associated femininity with being a giant, huge slut or mean, vain popular girl. Cheer captain? Slut. Caked in makeup? How desperate!

Now add the layer of being a young girl suddenly sat down and lectured about abusive dynamics, date rape drugs, and being aware of your soundings at all times - it completely sours your ideas about romance almost immediately.

When you hit the age where you are suddenly having those feelings, for boys, nobody cares or is surprised because you're a girl turning into a heterosexual woman.

But to you, your sexual awakening is the most important thing in the world, completely unprecedented, a little scary and forbidden-feeling. Where in media (etc.) do you see that feeling portrayed, with as much importance as it deserves?

It made it so hard as a young girl to enjoy painting your nails and wearing makeup because it made you feel like you were trying to be that slutty, mean popular girl you saw in every show and movie. Not to mention feeling like the fattest pig in show if clothes didn't stick to you like they did cartoon characters. The nerdy book girl or the goofy, fat girl might be the protagonist but she was always ugly, weird, or awkward.

These girls feel too ugly to be girly or feel that being girly is directly offering yourself up to be objectified. They really think that if they say they're boy, then they can enjoy makeup and feminine clothes without being judged as women are. Being a soft, gay boi is vulnerable, nuanced, enlightened state of being while being a basic, straight girl is some factory standard that needs to be escaped.

If a girl is like 12, or has those comorbidities, the option to identify as a boy must sound like "choosing" to approach boys as an equal in the power dynamic (you're the same as them! you don't have girl vulnerabilities or do things for wacky denigrated girl reasons!).

The media didnt help them then (those Olsen twins are FAT PIGS - 2002) and it doesn't help now (Like pants? Hate bras? You might be FtM!). Even with all the promotions about how "women can also fix tire! women can even be astronaut!!", it has always been girl-power-lipstick bullshit that most chicks dngaf about. Instead, it convinces normal, non stereotypical girls to throw themselves into a standardized pooner box sinces it's predictable and safe..

"I don't like how makeup feels and low cut tops fit me, I feel uncomfortable with guys commenting on my figure, I'm afraid to wear such a cutesy dress since I'm worried about what my highschool friends might think .... Guess I must be a boy! All girls love those other things!"

Tldr: Pooning out becomes appealing when you already feel like the ugly girl. Not much different from a failson who goes AGP, they think they can change teams and enjoy different outcomes. It's why they all meld together after awhile, they have a single "trans" identity, not their own. They hate themselves so much that they'd rather turn to jelly and fill a mold than just be whatever they already are.

 

[Stan]

Super mega hideous tranny L! Pooner set herself on fire for Palestine. Now looks like a talking corpse.

Dear god. Did she seriously do this in a mood? Because based on her retelling she was in a mood (chain smoking, ignoring her fam, drawing in the car) before driving down to the gas station and spending 2.?? Dollars on gasoline that she directly pumped onto herself. And holy fuck was that the worst decision she ever made in her life!

 

[Ed Special]

Dear god. Did she seriously do this in a mood? Because based on her retelling she was in a mood (chain smoking, ignoring her fam, drawing in the car) before driving down to the gas station and spending 2.?? Dollars on gasoline that she directly pumped onto herself. And holy fuck was that the worst decision she ever made in her life!

To be fair, it's far from the only time she decided to mutilate herself on a whim over some Jewish bullshit.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Both of you have hit the nail on the head when it comes to how it feels as a maturing girl.

One thing I could have articulated better about the role of fantasy: it's not just that it's more romantic to watch boys kissing as equals vs scary man-and-woman kissing that could happen to you.

It's that if you're watching or reading a story about a young man realizing he's gay attracted to men like you are, there's going to be a lot of time spent on his inner struggle: putting the pieces together, in some settings he might not even know he could like men, fighting against it, deciding he won't act on it, worrying about what everyone will think. Pages and pages of that.

This is where fanfiction really fills a need, because the writer will not be subtle about it, and they can take a character that the reader already has a crush on identifies with and make him suffer the reader's pain, and then it's two boys kissing.

You do not get that emotional weight for a young female character realizing her attraction to men, because like, duh?

(There is the popular romantic trope of a female character fighting her attraction to an unsuitable man, like he's a hated minority (possibly a werewolf) or a business rival or she thought he was a jerk because of misunderstandings--but that's one specific forbidden dude, not her worrying about her own identity because she now likes the general concept of men. )

"I don't like how makeup feels and low cut tops fit me, I feel uncomfortable with guys commenting on my figure, I'm afraid to wear such a cutesy dress since I'm worried about what my highschool friends might think .... Guess I must be a boy! All girls love those other things!"

See all the unironic "not like other girls" bragposts and cartoons from ten years or so ago; born a bit later and they'd have the same feeling but come to different conclusions.

They hate themselves so much that they'd rather turn to jelly and fill a mold than just be whatever they already are.

Not every pooner falls into the hole for the same reason, but this is what most of them come down to in the end.

 

[LMlurker]

Theories of poonerism that focus on how soft and sensitive girls are neglect to account for how thoroughly sexual the whole thing is. Having known several straight pooners in their 20s, they're ALWAYS involved in sex stuff; usually they're BDSM subs. (The lesbian ones idk).

Irreversible Damage says somewhere that being "boy crazy" is a huge risk factor for pooning. I think that it's a lot more similar to AGP than people are willing to give it credit for.

I think there are four types of pooners:
-butch lesbians
-"boy-crazy" girls who are ashamed of how horny they are, the fujo types
-molestation victims (or child stars) who want to reclaim control over their sexuality by mutilating themselves
-BPD women in their 30s who want to hurt their husbands

None of these women are particularly sympathetic to me. The lesbians are bowing to social pressure because they're too cowardly to TERF out. The boy-crazy ones are too repressed to be sluts and need to hoodwink themselves into it by pretending to be gay boys. The molestation victims are processing their trauma by making a giant expensive spectacle out of it. And the BPD women are crazy and need anti-psychotics, not frankendicks.

I've known and admired women who had each of these problems and didn't have to resort to pooning to cope with themselves. I've known butch lesbians who weren't afraid to be lesbians, I've known sluts who accept and revel in the fact that society hates them, I've known molestation victims who were so dignified you'd never guess it happened to them, and I've known BPD women who hurt their husbands by getting drunk and shooting them full of buckshot the way God intended.

To poon out in response to these singularly female afflictions is to fail at being a woman, and we need to treat failed women the same way we treat soimales and manchildren– with scorn and derision.

 

[Ruined by the Rain]

To poon out in response to these singularly female afflictions is to fail at being a woman, and we need to treat failed women the same way we treat soimales and manchildren– with scorn and derision.

Moid response

 

[Benjamin Spooner Briggs]

ACLU pooner Kate Strangio

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That concept of their entire political ideology and defense thereof being word games is revealed more and more with each passing thing they say, every single day.

Worst case scenario you can still ask some guy to put on those gear for you

If you do this and you're a woman, you're a weird creepy sex pervert, ew gross! But, what if you were actually a gay man doing it? Then you're a repressed minority who has fantasies that are o' so looked down upon, but you fight through anyway!!!

 

[Hongourable Madisha]

A pooner "boyband" does a trans parody of Year 3000, made famous by a boyband (appropriately) called Busted.

 

[Eva Braun]

Not all lawyer are trial attourneys

Even the best M&A lawyers can crumble when defending a parking ticket.

 

[Athena Save Us!]

Then you're a repressed minority who has fantasies that are o' so looked down upon, but you fight through anyway!!!

I think this is applied to all troons, even the ones who aren't outright pervs. If you're a typical boy/girl, that's boring. But what if you're a heckin' valid dood/girly who likes doing something? Now that's breaking boundaries!