The Schizo Conspiracy Thread - The conspiracies that will get you laughed out of your friend groups and subreddits

[NoBueno]

I've been interested in this theory. In basic terms, they say religious texts aren't religious. But are just historical documents. Using metaphors to describe things because at the time, these simple people couldn't explain accurately what they were seeing. Upper and lower dimensional beings.

Alex Jones posits, that elites, communicate with the lower dimensional beings to gain knowledge of this dimension. Which explains the rapid technological advancement.

Another says, he believes not only are the interdimensional beings interacting, but they've bred with humans in the past(the angels laying with women bible story). Which is why there are hybrid humans that desire blood and human sacrifice.

The interesting thing to me about this theory is that it mirrors D&D cosmology, especially Planescape describing the upper and lower planes of existence. Gary Gygax created D&D. And Gygax is a Swiss-German surname. And Gygax heavily based his work on Tolkien. Which has long been suspected of being Freemason.

 

[Mullet Man]

The interesting thing to me about this theory is that it mirrors D&D cosmology, especially Planescape describing the upper and lower planes of existence. Gary Gygax created D&D. And Gygax is a Swiss-German surname. And Gygax heavily based his work on Tolkien. Which has long been suspected of being Freemason.

If a theory strongly resembles fictional media I tend to not believe it, but it’s still interesting nonetheless.

If you really want to get normies fired up just tell them that crack cocaine was a scheme by the CIA to dumb down and genocide black people by their own hand, key piece of that operation was making rap/hip hop a huge thing where killing your brothas and destroying your own community is glorified because it gangsta shit nigga. That way they reconstructed the black communities in such a way that men became retarded borderline homosexuals who are scared to get punched so they shoot instead and women became dumbass sluts because gotta shake that money maker. There's also the fact that single moms usually get more money staying single than getting married so keeping up the traditional family unit became nearly impossible. More fatherless kids = more money for hood chickens.

 

[NoBueno]

If a theory strongly resembles fictional media I tend to not believe it,

And why is that, do you think?

 

[Meriasek]

I've been interested in this theory. In basic terms, they say religious texts aren't religious. But are just historical documents. Using metaphors to describe things because at the time, these simple people couldn't explain accurately what they were seeing. Upper and lower dimensional beings.
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Alex Jones posits, that elites, communicate with the lower dimensional beings to gain knowledge of this dimension. Which explains the rapid technological advancement.
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Another says, he believes not only are the interdimensional beings interacting, but they've bred with humans in the past(the angels laying with women bible story). Which is why there are hybrid humans that desire blood and human sacrifice.
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The interesting thing to me about this theory is that it mirrors D&D cosmology, especially Planescape describing the upper and lower planes of existence. Gary Gygax created D&D. And Gygax is a Swiss-German surname. And Gygax heavily based his work on Tolkien. Which has long been suspected of being Freemason.
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It's basically the whole Ancient Astronauts thing. Been a pretty popular one for a many decades. Especially when you take the apocrypha, particularly the ones about the Nephilim (the apocryphal book of Enoch, I think), which is straight scifi story. Mirrors global flood stories in various mythologies as well, so it's a really fun theory. But it's not a very schizo theory, it's a rather well known one that has made its way to the mainstream. Not accepted, but known about, and generally one that doesn't require some intense leaps of logic. At least compared to some actual schizo theories.

 

[NoBueno]

It's basically the whole Ancient Astronauts thing. Been a pretty popular one for a many decades. Especially when you take the apocrypha, particularly the ones about the Nephilim (the apocryphal book of Enoch, I think), which is straight scifi story. Mirrors global flood stories in various mythologies as well, so it's a really fun theory. But it's not a very schizo theory, it's a rather well known one that has made its way to the mainstream. Not accepted, but known about, and generally one that doesn't require some intense leaps of logic. At least compared to some actual schizo theories.

Wouldn't ancient astronauts imply we came from somewhere else? I think this theory implied more we are trapped in a current plane of existence between the positive and negative planes. And our "job" is to ascend. Or descend? It's almost like Diablo, the Nephalim, the Angels vs the Demons. It is said by people that talk about Babylonian rules is that they have to tell the truth in some way. If it's through fiction, and you believe it's a story. Then no harm no foul to them. Seems kind of Jewish.

 

[Meriasek]

Wouldn't ancient astronauts imply we came from somewhere else? I think this theory implied more we are trapped in a current plane of existence between the positive and negative planes. And our "job" is to ascend. Or descend? It's almost like Diablo, the Nephalim, the Angels vs the Demons. It is said by people that talk about Babylonian rules is that they have to tell the truth in some way. If it's through fiction, and you believe it's a story. Then no harm no foul to them. Seems kind of Jewish.

Ancient Astronauts is mainly the theory that all the gods in myth are actually highly advanced aliens. It's a whole broad range of theories. At its basic form it's just that, basic science fiction level stuff, but depending on how much weed and DMT someone took it can devolve into technobabble interdimensional stuff like that as well.

 

[NoBueno]

Ancient Astronauts is mainly the theory that all the gods in myth are actually highly advanced aliens. It's a whole broad range of theories. At its basic form it's just that, basic science fiction level stuff, but depending on how much weed and DMT someone took it can devolve into technobabble interdimensional stuff like that as well.

So if you are talking about dimensions you are devolving. Very interesting.

Oh NASA didn't give China the memo you have to alter the VFX

 

[Meriasek]

So if you are talking about dimensions you are devolving. Very interesting.

Oh NASA didn't give China the memo you have to alter the VFX
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Well, ancient astronauts per se are still reasonably explainable by science. Aliens, advanced technology and genetics, that's not that far out there.
But if we add in higher dimensions we're leaving the parts that are just a little bit beyond our current understanding of science, and are going full "everything goes". Which is valid, sure, but at that point you might as well go to the original religious explanations because the technology is now definitt sufficiently advanced.

 

[The Gene Genie]

Western Transgenders as we know them are an intentional creation and ploy that was pushed by Big Pharma and the Medical Industry as a whole.

I think that this is a compelling argument, and certainly plausible. I would add that in addition to this, it does two things as well
1) It creates a permanent "eunuch" class. These trannies find themselves disproportionately involved in the academia/elite production centers as well as government bureaucracy. The modern eunuch, the Tranny, has no real family and will never procreate or start one of themselves, so they are forever tethered to the state or institution.
2) It is an endgame-tier gambit to bring down birth rates, effectively an attempt to neuter an entire generation.

 

[Otterly]

I don’t think trannies are primarily created by pharma. I do think pharma is evil because I work in it and see it first hand, but the money to be made by doctors is a lubricant, not a prime mover.
Think of it like this; someone wants trannies to exist. What’s the two main obstacles?
1. Society being horrified
2. Medics refusing to prescribe and operate.
The latter is an issue because ONLY doctors are prescribing and only surgeons are operating (outside the insane kitchen table stuff.) so they have to be bribed into compliance somehow and money is the way with doctors. The psychos also get to play flesh plasticine which they enjoy and the rest get that second sports car and lovely lovely money. It’s a lubricant to remove an obstacle.
Trannies are pushed because of nastier agendas
1. Sexual access to children (birth certificates changed, gillick competence turns into ‘they can consent’ to anything, class of childlike bodies and minds in adult age people over AOC, all this links in with surrogacy to remove parental rights and make children a purchaseable commodity which can be removed from a parent at will.)
2. Sexual access to women - suck the girldick
3. Fetishes allowed and your opposition criminalised - transphobia invented and banned
4. Control of speech and thought via laws on ‘hate crimes.’
Now that all those things are enshrined in law trions can be chucked under the bus

 

[NoBueno]

Well, ancient astronauts per se are still reasonably explainable by science.

So we should "trust the science"?

 

[Meriasek]

So we should "trust the science"?
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It's Occam's Razor. Let's go with the hypothesis that ancient astronauts were real. There were aliens that influenced humans in pre- to early history.
They could have been an advanced civilisation, like humans are now but a few hundred years ahead in technology. The assumptions for this are that they found a way to travel the stars in a reasonable way, and stay mostly within the framework of observable physics as we know now. Interstellar travel could be either slow sublight travel of some form or maybe they figured out some way to utilise warp bubbles or some yet undiscovered principle of physics.
Or they could have been interdimensional beings from other planes of existence, where possibly entirely different laws of physics apply, but who could then still easily interact and travel between theirs and ours.
Thing is, we have never observed even an inkling that such other dimensions exist. Their existence would require a massive overhaul of all known physics, which for now work pretty damn well, and those new physics still need to work for all the observed things we know of.
So it requires a lot more complex assumptions than the much more simple hypothesis that ancient aliens were just kinda basic beings from this universe just like us.
Also, interdimensional beings are kinda unfalsifiable. So it's not a very good hypothesis, since you can just make up whatever you want since you can't know anything for sure so you have zero limits for your assumptions.
Why go to such a complex hypothesis when a much simpler one could already explain the situation at hand?
It's not about "trusting science" since we're outside of established science here anyway, but it's applying basic scientific principles: Don't overcomplicate things unless necessary.
Why have interdimensional aliens when kinda regular aliens suffice as an explanation? It just adds more unknowns and unexplainable factors.

In reality, most of the evidence for ancient aliens can be explained in even more simpler ways not requiring the existence of ancient aliens to begin with, but for now we're just looking at it assuming that ancient aliens existed.

 

[NoBueno]

It's not about "trusting science" since we're outside of established science here anyway, but it's applying basic scientific principles: Don't overcomplicate things unless necessary.
Why have interdimensional aliens when kinda regular aliens suffice as an explanation? It just adds more unknowns and unexplainable factors.

Are we outside science? I was watching a Quantum physicist tell me the other day, they aren't sure how the quantum super position works. But the working theory is the bits are communicating with an alternate dimension or reality, where the bits are in the other state. So you start to doubt the rules of classical physics. If they lie about that. What else are they lying about?

 

[Meriasek]

Are we outside science? I was watching a Quantum physicist tell me the other day, they aren't sure how the quantum super position works. But the working theory is the bits are communicating with an alternate dimension or reality, where the bits are in the other state. So you start to doubt the rules of classical physics. If they lie about that. What else are they lying about?

Ok first of all, that's not classical physics, that's quantum physics.
What did that quantum physicist say exactly? You gotta be careful there. Quantum mechanics are, fundamentally, complex math, and they're open to interpretation. Like, what actually IS the wave function in Schrödinger's equation? We don't really know, we know it works, but not what it actually is. There are many interpretations, like the Copenhagen Interpretation or the Many Worlds Interpretation. None of them really involve "alternate dimensions" or realities per se, at least not in the way you might think of them.
There's something called the complex projective space, which can be a higher dimensional Hilbert space, but that's a mathematical concept and tool to describe things in quantum mechanics, not an actual physical space somewhere.
What video have you been watching? Quantum physicists have to oversimplify things to make it even semi-accessible, and the language used can lead to confusion.
I don't doubt the rules of physics, I doubt that you understood what the guy said correctly.

 

[NoBueno]

There's something called the complex projective space, which can be a higher dimensional Hilbert space, but that's a mathematical concept and tool to describe things in quantum mechanics, not an actual physical space somewhere.

I think this is why have trouble talking to people about subjects. the concepts don't exist, until the authoritative source tells them it exists. "Okay they told me theres alternate dimensions but its not a physical dimension, so you are wrong, they told me so." Why do people need permission to come up with their own theories?

 

[Meriasek]

I think this is why have trouble talking to people about subjects. the concepts don't exist, until the authoritative source tells them it exists. "Okay they told me theres alternate dimensions but its not a physical dimension, so you are wrong, they told me so." Why do people need permission to come up with their own theories?

Didn't I write a whole thing about Occam's Razor earlier?
Here's the thing: Physics isn't just made up because it's cool, it's all tested, improved, and expanded. People don't need permission to come up with their own theories, but if you put them out there, they're gonna be judged by their merit. I.e., what does it explain and describe, how good are the predictions, how well does it fit pre-existing data, is it consistent.
So if you're proposing interdimensional beings that can cross over to this dimension and interact with it, you have quite a few things to explain. What are those alternate dimensions? Why have we never found any evidence or hints of such in any experiments? If the interdimensional beings are able to cross over and interact with this universe, their physical constants must be pretty much exactly like ours, or they would be really fucked if they tried to get into this universe if it had different laws of physics. So what are those alternate dimensions? Where is the energy coming from? Does it renormalise (and I'm not a big fan of the whole renormalisation shit to begin with, but it works for now)?
So you gotta come up with a LOT of new physics just to explain this, and it better be falsifiable because otherwise it's gonna be a pretty boring theory that nobody will care about. String Theory got a lot of shit because of that. Incidentally, it also had a lot of additional compactified spatial dimensions, and was and probably still is practically unfalsifiable. Not a great theory.
And after you came up with all those new physics that still have to fit in with previously existing data, you gotta explain why you went to such lengths in the first place.
Why does it have to be interdimensional beings? Is there a reason, or could it just be regular ol' aliens from Vega or Sirius or Alpha Centauri or whatever?
I'm not opposed to alternate dimensions, but you gotta give me some actual reason why this should be a thing. Because it makes things a shitload more complicated than they need to be.

You have trouble talking to people about these things because you apparently have very little knowledge of how science works. It's not just rule of cool, and believe me, I wished it was.
Anyway, got that video you were watching? I'm interested in what that guy actually said, and frankly I can't trust you to replicate it properly. I have some formal physics knowledge, so maybe I could go ahead and explain it a bit better so you don't misunderstand it.

 

[NoBueno]

Didn't I write a whole thing about Occam's Razor earlier?

In my experience, people with Degrees or PHDs in STEM automatically believe themselves smarter than the average person. Because they passed the bar of repeating back what the acceptable consensus of the era is. Despite the fact, that most of the people that made advancements were the ones that pushed against the consensus. It's why I reject the entire premise. Science was 20% right 200 years ago but it's 80% right now? What arrogance. Those people 200 years ago thought they were 80% correct.

 

[Meriasek]

In my experience, people with Degrees or PHDs in STEM automatically believe themselves smarter than the average person. Because they passed the bar of repeating back what the acceptable consensus of the era is. Despite the fact, that most of the people that made advancements were the ones that pushed against the consensus. It's why I reject the entire premise. Science was 20% right 200 years ago but it's 80% right now? What arrogance. Those people 200 years ago thought they were 80% correct.

Sure, that's fine. But I'm still waiting for a simple reason why it has to be interdimensional beings and not just aliens. That has nothing to do with physics or formal education, it's a thing of plain logic. Why pick the more complicated explanation? Just because it's cooler? That's as good an explanation as any, I'd be fine with that, but I'd like to hear your reasoning.

 

[NoBueno]

Sure, that's fine. But I'm still waiting for a simple reason why it has to be interdimensional beings and not just aliens. That has nothing to do with physics or formal education, it's a thing of plain logic. Why pick the more complicated explanation? Just because it's cooler? That's as good an explanation as any, I'd be fine with that, but I'd like to hear your reasoning.

It's not about a smoking gun. It's about a bunch smaller smoking guns pointing in that direction. Why does NASA fake what it does with greenscreen? Why is Mars Greenland from the native lemming present in one photo? Why did Russia use Google AI to check photos of the 1969 moon landing and find they are manipulated?

 

[Meriasek]

It's not about a smoking gun. It's about a bunch smaller smoking guns pointing in that direction. Why does NASA fake what it does with greenscreen? Why is Mars Greenland from the native lemming present in one photo? Why did Russia use Google AI to check photos of the 1969 moon landing and find they are manipulated?

Are you capable of answering a simple question?
I don't know the specifics of what you're talking about, but we can take a look at each if you like. But I am also asking you to answer that simple question: Why the more complicated explanation?