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Nearby dwarf galaxy of 1000 stars is dominated by a black hole many times greater in mass.


A nearby galaxy once thought to be dominated by dark matter seems to have a surprise supermassive black hole at its centre. Segue 1 is barely a galaxy, with only about 1000 stars compared to the Milky Way’s hundreds of billions, and yet it appears to be home to a black hole about 10 times as massive as all its stars combined.

*edit* imagine if life actually formed in such a place. The time dilation of the black hole would fuck with shit immensely and red shift the entire universe above your head. There really are nightmares beyond human comprehension out there.
 
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Ars Technica: Capitol Hill is abuzz with talk of the “Athena” plan for NASA (archive)
In the big picture, this leak appears to be part of a campaign by interim NASA Administrator Sean Duffy to either hold onto the high-profile job or, at the very least, prejudice the re-nomination of Isaacman to lead the space agency. Additionally, it is also being spread by legacy aerospace contractors who seek to protect their interests from the Trump administration’s goal of controlling spending and leaning into commercial space.
After they received a copy of the Athena plan, the Alabama delegation—which represents Marshall Space Flight Center and strongly favors continuation of the Space Launch System rocket—generally came to favor Duffy’s candidacy. They, along with traditional space contractors and Duffy himself, have been suggesting that re-nominating Isaacman would be a “giveaway” to SpaceX.
 
This is all leading into the shrieks that Trump is going to "get rid of NASA". Which is not what he seems to want to do. Rather, he wants NASA to be the central clearing house of government contracts for Space shit, that can be farmed out to private corporations, defense contractors and university endowments. It does mean however NASA may scrap its own government run production labs and future missions done entirely in house. Which would be absolutely devastating for the last 20 years of diversity hires.
 
This is all leading into the shrieks that Trump is going to "get rid of NASA". Which is not what he seems to want to do. Rather, he wants NASA to be the central clearing house of government contracts for Space shit, that can be farmed out to private corporations, defense contractors and university endowments. It does mean however NASA may scrap its own government run production labs and future missions done entirely in house. Which would be absolutely devastating for the last 20 years of diversity hires.
There was an intense late campaign by Sean Duffy and his oldspace supporters to derail any possibility of Jared Isaacman heading NASA:

Politico: A confidential manifesto lays out a billionaire's sweeping new vision for NASA (archive)

But Trump is going through with it:

Politico: Trump nominates Isaacman to run NASA — again (archive)

The confirmation hearing should be more contentious than the previous one.
 
I liked this guy when he was a scambaiter, but this video in particular was fascinating to me. I've always thought space was fascinating; it really puts me into perspective, just how tiny everything I can fathom is in comparison to EVERYTHING. It's humbling.

It legit makes me sad that we can't come together on Earth to tackle what's really out there to find, and what we should be doing:

 

A collab between the University of Hawaii and the Hungarian Academy of Sciences may have found a way to resolve the Hubble Constant crisis without a big shakeup.

Which has been a major headache for star related eggheads for some time now.

Tl,dr, the problem was that measurements didn't add up to the expansion of the universe.

The solution implies the universe rotates.
 
Well shit. I was about to post the link for the second flight of New Glenn which was supposed to launch today, but according to Blue Origin NG-2 has been delayed until at least Wednesday the 12th.

Should be interesting to see if they can repeat the success of the first launch.
 
Ok, my usual space thread stupid question. What does that mean? Rotates in regard to what? Rotates in what? Can you explain what they mean by rotates?
Rotates around a central axis? Maybe it doesn't need anything else, like a lit spinning top in a dark room, or in the middle of space. I don't claim to understand the research though.




 
Ok, my usual space thread stupid question. What does that mean? Rotates in regard to what? Rotates in what? Can you explain what they mean by rotates?
TLDR from my understanding. The Universe is a sphere that rotates, and that's what causes otherwise unexplainable red and blue shift our telescopes observe. Also means with enough data, we will be able to map out exactly where we are in the universe as a whole.
It will be really fucking funny if it turns out we are damn close to the center tbh.
 
Rotates around a central axis?

TLDR from my understanding. The Universe is a sphere that rotates, and that's what causes otherwise unexplainable red and blue shift our telescopes observe. Also means with enough data, we will be able to map out exactly where we are in the universe as a whole.
It will be really fucking funny if it turns out we are damn close to the center tbh.
Ok I’m dumb, but if the universe is all-that-there-is, then how can it rotate? What is it rotating IN? Like a ball can rotate on its access yes, but if the ball was all there was, rotation loses its meaning, no? Does it mean the things in the universe are rotating wrt the space in it? But of everything in something is rotating, how do you see? You’d need a non rotating wall or shell or skin to see that?
I am too thick for this thread, lol. This is probably physics 101.
 
You’d need a non rotating wall or shell or skin to see that?
It's possible to determine if you're in a rotating frame without seeing outside of it or having anything stationary to compare it to. You can measure the effect of the rotation by comparing the motion of objects within the enclosed space and the forces that appear to be applied to them.

As for what it's rotating in, it doesn't really matter. We can't see outside the universe. We can only speculate.

That's an electromagnet effect that is. They'll find it has a toroidal radiation belt around its centre and "magnetic ropes" at its "poles" next. Exciting times.
 
You can measure the effect of the rotation by comparing the motion of objects within the enclosed space and the forces that appear to be applied to them.

As for what it's rotating in, it doesn't really matte
Ahhh ok yes that does make sense. If you were right at the axis then moved out you’d feel a difference wouldn’t you? Like being on a roundabout and sitting at the centre then moving to the edge or putting your legs out. That does make sense
That's an electromagnet effect that is. They'll find it has a toroidal radiation belt around its centre and "magnetic ropes" at its "poles" next. Exciting times.
And what would that imply? Spell it out for us hard of thinking . Like it’s a little mini planetlet?
One thing that strikes me (pun intended) about such objects is that it shows you how dynamic the solar system is and how often we must get these things dislodged or wandering into the inner solar system from places like the Kuiper Belt. It makes me even more sure that we’ve had numerous swipes from objects like comets that could have knocked back early human civilisations. I am convinced we’ve gotten to Bronze Age levels in localised areas multiple times and been hit back to the Stone Age by such things.
 
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And what would that imply? Spell it out for us hard of thinking . Like it’s a little mini planetlet?
In a sense, yes. Mostly what it implies is that the standard model for how comets work is wrong. The assumption is that they're lumps of loosely packed, dusty ice. The coma and tail is ice being liberated as case and forming into a roughly spherical ball around the comet, then glowing due to interaction with the solar wind.

The reality is that every comet photographed up close has been hard and rocky, with no obvious ice fields (and lots of unexpected terristrial-like features, including things that look like sand dunes). Comets will sometimes misbehave, displaying cometary behaviour far outside the region of space where they're meant to do so, as it's too cold. There's also the fact that some asteroids - known to be rocky chondritic asteroids with no ices - have displayed unexpected cometary behaviour from time to time. Coma, tail, the full works. The standard model just ignores all this, which is why extra-solar comets behaving so weird is hard to explain.

A proposed alternative model is that active comets are electrically charged objects that are moving through a realm of differential charge, which means they become electrically active. The "jets" of gas don't behave like jets, but instead are collimated flows of ionised gas that appear to be caused by electrical arcing against the surface. The coma is what is known as a plasma sheath - a layer that spontaneously forms in ionised gas to separate regions of different charge. Any apparent detection of water, which relies on spectral lines, has actually been the detection of hydroxyl ions, which are generated by the "solar wind" - hydrogen plasma - liberating oxygen from chondrites and forming ionised compounds.

Being an electrically charged object, moving through an electrically active environment, the comet will "connect" with the sun in the same way that the planets do (and the same way the moons of the gas giants connect to their parent body), through what are called Birkeland currents (named for plasma physicist Kristian Birkeland), though popularly referred to as magnetic ropes or magnetic tunnels. These are actually an electrical current that flows through the object, generating a magnetic field. On earth this is best assumed to be supplemented by its internal dynamo (though that could also be open to question), but the effect is the same. You end with a plasma sheath around the object. with sufficiently strong current flow, the sheath will start to glow. The electromagnetic field within the sheath, induced in the object by the current flow, forms a series of stacked and layered donut shapes, which can trap non-charged particles. This is roughly analogous to the van allen belts around the earth.

And, because their behaviour is caused by electrical interaction, even the weird orbital changes are easily explained. A change in electrical potential can cause changes in velocity. It's like regenerative braking in an electric car, using the "friction" of electromagnetic potential to push and pull at the wheels. Or the charged rock, in this case.

What I suspect is happening at this comet is that its widely different electrical charge from the solar "wind" is inducing an enormous current flow through it, which has generated an intense electromagnetic confinement at its equator, which is trapping a ring of dust and gas and causing it to move in unpredictable ways.

The best part is, this can all be replicated in a laboratory setting. Kristian Birkeland simulated the aurora and other features of earths magnetosphere (including the "magnetic ropes" and what would later be called the van allen belts) over 120 years ago, using a big metal ball and a lot of electricity, long before there was any means to confirm them.

It all sounds a bit transcendental at times, but I reckon this will be close to the accepted model in another thirty or so years. The universe is electrically active and it's absolutely fascinating.
edit: Figured people would want to skip a big wall'o'text on fringe space things.
 
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What I suspect is happening at this comet is that its widely different electrical charge from the solar "wind" is inducing an enormous current flow through it, which has generated an intense electromagnetic confinement at its equator, which is trapping a ring of dust and gas and causing it to move in unpredictable ways.
I’m vaguely aware of the birkeland currents/electric universe stuff, thanks for the explanation.
I know this this isn’t ATLAS but would this also explain the massive OH signature that ATLAS had and apparent mass ejection it showed? And the radio signal would be the ionised gas interacting with that solar radiation and such a current?
 
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