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Long-term, they're going to have to move away from the obsessive use of clean-rooms for every single component of a spacecraft, especially if or when any sort of orbital manufacturing is starting up. Sensitive instrumentation like the Webb telescope is one thing, but something that amounts to a portacabin in space shouldn't take so long to build.
The lack of Any in orbit fabrication is a real crime honestly, and jts purely due to the budgetary constraints of annualized apportionment. Just by the nature of the math, its is far cheaper to send a whole bunch of smaller stuff into orbit and assemble them up there, then it is to make one Big thing on earth and send it up as one whole piece.

The bottleneck though is BUILDING the orbital fabrication. The upfront cost is huge and any saving would take years to start manifesting. The problem is without the orbital assembly facilities we arent going to get anywhere with potentially starting to exploit the solar systems resources.

Missions to Mars would be a much easier if we could assemble the transport vessel in orbit of the Moon and fuel it up with the available hydrogen that exists in the ice there. All stuff that could conceivably done, but are never gonna have the cash appropriated for it

Why? Well, you know.

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NASA says they have figured out the problem with Artemis II's hydrogen fueling system.


Its the exact same problem as Artemis I. So they are well equipped to fix it. No explanation for why it wasnt fixed prior to rollout to the launch pad, but fear not. They are applying the same fixes to Artemis II that they applied to Artemis I, but on the launch pad this time. No roll back needed because the design flaw of Artemis I that was fixed after a rollback has given them useful insight. Because this same design flaw has been replicated a second time with Artemis II. But this time they will fix it without a roll back. Because they can use what they learned from fixing Artemis I because the the flaw with Artemis II is the exact same problem

Dont ask why Artemis II has the exact same problem as Artemis I. Thats racist.
 
NASA says they have figured out the problem with Artemis II's hydrogen fueling system.
Ars Technica: NASA has a new problem to fix before the next Artemis II countdown test (archive)
So, it turns out NASA used the three-year interim between Artemis I and Artemis II to get comfortable with a more significant hydrogen leak, instead of fixing the leaks themselves. Isaacman said that will change before Artemis III, which likewise is probably at least three years away.

“I will say near-conclusively for Artemis III, we will cryoproof the vehicle before it gets to the pad, and the propellant loading interfaces we are troubleshooting will be redesigned,” Isaacman wrote.
We'll see.
 
Launch the fucking rocket and get us back (around) the moon 🌝

I need to SNEED at the Chicoms
The only consolation I have if they cant launch this damn thing is that it confirms my prejudices about the corrosive effect of DEI. NASA was really big on it up until Trump stopped it.

Wel shall see. Launch Window open up March 6. They have 4 days after that to light the candle
 
I would be really surprised if it was a pregnancy. I suspect female astronauts are required to be on long acting contraception as part of the deal. Also no boners in space? I hadn’t even considered that… you learn something new every day!
If you can get a boner upside down, you can get one in Zero-G.

But there are other difficulties with sex in Space. Suggestions to assist leverage include two-person sex belts, large sleeping bags and handholds on the wall. Humans are inventive. We'll manage - I have a sneaking suspicion it may already have happened.

Reproduction is where it gets difficult. There has actually been a lot of thought on this right down to the effect of micro or low gravity during delivery. One proposal was a centrifuge like device, in which the woman sits, legs outwards and is slowly (I presumed slowly) spun. Yes, really.

I'm not sure they thought through how well this would work for any midwives in attendance. Do they stand on a platform that also spins? Do they stop the centrifuge when they need to interact? Is there a small basket ball hoop to catch the newborn and does it make an electronic simulated cheering sound if you get the baby through it? Just kidding on the last part - the design I saw had an cradle thing in front of the mother. The baby cannot go flying off.
 
If you can get a boner upside down,
You say this as if it’s something we should all know - but I have no idea. Can you (that’s the generic you, I mean males in general.)
Is it possible? Do we need some male kiwis to try this? Would the sample be skewed by those athletic enough to do headstands?
The baby cannot go flying off.
Well while this is amusing it’s also rather horrific to think of happening to you, and is kind of funny in that ‘horrific and inappropriate engineering solutions to human issues’ way … I think any mid to long term space exploration is going to have to sort out an artificial gravity equivalent, or we will be in all sorts of physiological trouble… rotating space stations like 2001 (sans the psychotic AI) might be needed but we need gravity.
Humans are inventive. We'll manage
On this I agree, life finds a way, and humans are … innovative…
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You say this as if it’s something we should all know - but I have no idea. Can you (that’s the generic you, I mean males in general.)
Is it possible? Do we need some male kiwis to try this? Would the sample be skewed by those athletic enough to do headstands?

Well.....this isn't something most men want to talk about but just about every guy who masturbates has at one point or another tried sucking their own dick* usually as a teenager. One of the ways used is to lay on your back and swing your entire lower body and legs back over your head with your neck and shoulders holding the weight, dick infront of your mouth. This has an equivalent effect of your body upside down, and you can keep or grow your erection just fine from this position as the body's blood system is under pretty high pressure. So I'd say it's totally possible.


*Please let's avoid the tangent of 'thats gay!' cos it's no more gay then any other form of masturbation.
 
totally possible.
That sounds painful…
and maybe pointless… does it feel like having your dick sucked or just sucking a dick?
Back on track to space!
What’s everyone’s opinion on why Trump is so keen on expanding operations at Thule/Pittufik?
 
I'm not sure they thought through how well this would work for any midwives in attendance. Do they stand on a platform that also spins? Do they stop the centrifuge when they need to interact? Is there a small basket ball hoop to catch the newborn and does it make an electronic simulated cheering sound if you get the baby through it? Just kidding on the last part - the design I saw had an cradle thing in front of the mother. The baby cannot go flying off.
Well while this is amusing it’s also rather horrific to think of happening to you, and is kind of funny in that ‘horrific and inappropriate engineering solutions to human issues’ way … I think any mid to long term space exploration is going to have to sort out an artificial gravity equivalent, or we will be in all sorts of physiological trouble… rotating space stations like 2001 (sans the psychotic AI) might be needed but we need gravity.
The other issue is that a perpetually rotating device, with a counter-rotation to keep a fixed viewpoint (eg; looking at the woman giving birth) actually disorients people more than not. There was a prototype German-American tank (MBT/KpfPz-70) that had the driver in a self contained rotating coupla in the turret, and the biggest complaint was that it was fucking disorientating when the turret rotated and the driver (counter) rotated.

It must be horrific for the mother though. Imagine all the shit parts of pregnancy, and now you're stuck on (fast) spinning carousel that doesn't stop until you finish giving birth. Now add in this music and we get some brazil tier kafkaesque torture device.
 
A very good documentary just dropped on the YouTubes going over the data provided by the various Soviet landers that gave us pretty much all we know about Venus, and the updated analysis done of the original telemetry and visual imaging done with more modern computers. Well worth a watch if you're not really up to speed on what was formerly believed to be our 'sister planet' less then 100 years ago.

 
Long-term, they're going to have to move away from the obsessive use of clean-rooms for every single component of a spacecraft, especially if or when any sort of orbital manufacturing is starting up. Sensitive instrumentation like the Webb telescope is one thing, but something that amounts to a portacabin in space shouldn't take so long to build.
Yeah no, that's really not an option. The problem pertaining with space exploration, and really anything in space is that because of the extreme environments things like mold and bacteria absolutely love it. This is why Astronauts/Cosmonauts spend a shit ton of time on the ISS just cleaning. If you want to look at a mucky, mold ridden space. I dread to see how India's Space Station will end up (just looking at the rough design ideas of the station, it seems as if it will be even riskier as the modules will be more cramped, with them being 10-15 tons max).
NASA says they have figured out the problem with Artemis II's hydrogen fueling system.

https://www.nasa.gov/blogs/missions/2026/02/13/following-confidence-test-nasa-continues-artemis-ii-data-review/
Its the exact same problem as Artemis I. So they are well equipped to fix it. No explanation for why it wasnt fixed prior to rollout to the launch pad, but fear not. They are applying the same fixes to Artemis II that they applied to Artemis I, but on the launch pad this time. No roll back needed because the design flaw of Artemis I that was fixed after a rollback has given them useful insight. Because this same design flaw has been replicated a second time with Artemis II. But this time they will fix it without a roll back. Because they can use what they learned from fixing Artemis I because the the flaw with Artemis II is the exact same problem

Dont ask why Artemis II has the exact same problem as Artemis I. Thats racist.
It's not actually racist (shocking I know, it's actually a really old issue), it's basically a result of how small Hydrogen molecules are, and them leaking out of the adapter from the launch tower and core stage. It's a decades old issue that goes all the way back to the Space Shuttle program. - Remember, a lot of the equipment being used is the same as it was then.

Now, you may still wonder "why do we use Hydrogen then if it escapes so easily?". Hydrogen is just a really efficient fuel. This really is one of the main reasons why NASA has been using it for so long.
It's similar to how all sorts of fuels have problems when it comes to spaceflight. Cryogens? Well, they'll boil off in space. Meaning if you want to use a fully fuelled engine, you've got to ignite it straight away. It's one the reasons why if the Shuttle was to have launched with a Centaur upper stage, they'd need a veteran crew who proved they didn't get space sickness. Because space sickness, means that they would not have been able to use the stage to its fullest.

Oh, and the reason why a Hydrogen leak is so dangerous?

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But at least it's not a really toxic fuel and all you get as a biproduct from it is water vapour, so there's that.
This is actually true, Russia is in a pretty decent position for future space efforts - but that's only because of how delayed a lot of the stuff Russia has been working on is. To begin this story, let us go back to the 80s with Mir 2. Now, Mir-2 was going to be the successor to the Mir station. A lot of the Mir hardware is derived from either the Almaz Space Station program, or the Salyut Space Station program (derived from Almaz) and these formed the basis of Soviet Station modules since the early 70s. Which, the core of Mir-2 (DOS-8) is now called Zvezda and other Mir-2 hardware was brought up to the ISS.

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Now, Russia's next station is actually quite interesting because it follows in the same tradition of Zvezda. That is, it was designed to originally be launched to the ISS but due to delays in the construction of those modules, and the Nauka module (which has launched and is docked to the ISS, but was over a decade behind schedule. if you think NASA is bad, then yikes. Nauka was delayed about 14 years). This meant that without Nauka, Roscosmos couldn't launch the NEM modules, which would dock to Prichal which itself is docked to Nauka. Consequently, NEM-1 (there were to be two NEM modules) is being turned into the core of Russia's next station. Which, Russia has been working on for a while now to replace the capability that they are going to lose with the loss of the Russian Orbital Segment when the ISS is deorbited. Which, if Russia manages to complete the modules means that they'll likely be able to sustain the station as it is a very similar commitment to what they have with the ISS today.

For stuff related to the moon? Well, they're planning to strap together a ton of Soyuz-5 rockets, which is going to replace the Soyuz rocket. Which in itself, is a task that has been ongoing since the end of the Soviet Union. Now, Russia's ambitions for space exploration use a super heavy rocket which is essentially multiple Soyuz-5 first stages strapped together to form the Yensei rocket. Which can launch around 73 tons to orbit. Which can be thought up of a super Angara-5 rocket. Which, Angara is designed around having multiple stages strapped together. And Angara has been proven successful.

So, if Russia was to go for a simple Lunar approach (like China) then they'd have a good chance to get their quickly. Presuming they don't try to go overboard with their Lunar ambitions like has been seen with NASA with the choice of Starship HLS as a lander (granted, there were no good bids with HLS for a quick boots on the ground mission).
 
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