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3 minutes into the 5 minute burn, all good so far.

A caution message popped up, no crew action needed.

4 minutes into 5 minute and 55 second burn

Still going good

One minute of the burn left... Still going good
 
Falcos_Commisar said:
Good burn they're on the way to the MOON 🌝 🌚

GET FUCKED CHINA AND RUSSIA AND EUROPE
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If China somehow beats us to landing (I really doubt it, they're probably 2030 min but who knows) I won't be too upset. Just hope we stay there long term with a base.

ETA: Minor up and downs on comms, appears to be something in the system that is rebooting. They had this before launch too with drop outs. IMO should "should" be clear until the stress of heat shild/chutes on landing. Shouldn't be need for many burns except for minor corrections, it's on a ballistic trajectory more or less now to full return.
 
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I don't know why the cabin lights on the NASA 3D mission tracker model are so blown out.

ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL
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This is really something to see.

My first memories of the Apollo program were watching the Apollo 15 mission with my Dad. From a kid perspective back then, it was simply awesome. I remember the first time the LRV was used. I remember 16 and 17 as well. Every kid I knew wanted an LRV lunar rover.

Didn't think I'd see a return flight to the moon again in my lifetime. Great stuff.
 
TLI burn was overall flawless. Good ship Integrity is off to the Moon.

Falcos_Commisar said:
Dude oh yn God I want you to write me an 10,000+ word post about the SlaceX fuck UPs
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I want to give credit to ConsentAccidentVictimNo98 for his post about SpaceX upthread because it nails a lot of the smaller details. The only missing info about the early days of SpaceX is how Beal Aerospace was founded back in 1997 and then shut down because Andy Beal correctly predicted that government contracts would tip the scales in favor of "commercial" activities and nullify the whole commercial space sector as a competitive field driven by market forces. Beal's probably the only member of the space libertarian crowd (which the commercial sector grew out of, there was a literal "Galt's Gulch" meeting in the early 2000s that set early commercial space culture) that actually stayed true to his word. Had the pleasure of rubbing elbows with him some years ago, have to concede that he's pretty bright still.

Beal Aerospace's test site, where they test fired the largest engine developed since the F-1, would be brought by SpaceX in the late 2000s. You probably know it as McGregor.

The EUS story is not very public at this point and only truly known to perhaps a half dozen people, myself included. As far as I'm willing to powerlevel, there were serious issues with it that would have long poled the timeline. I say that as someone who would describe himself as vehemently pro-SLS and anti-commercial faggotry. (I know Berger is mining this thread, and I'd love to know the full story of how he "left" the Chron. Don't think we don't know, Eric). Unfortunately canning it is in ideological alignment with canceling SLS outright, so the pro-commercial vultures are rejoicing at this turn of events.

Of course being in the absolute minority camp of feeling Isaacman's pivots are largely coming from the correct angle, but being anti-commercialization, there's not many spaces out there to discuss that kind of nuance. Ultimately I don't think the "cancel SLS" crowd will get what they want, especially not after this mission casts a very positive spotlight on SLS/Orion as a successful, world-class system.
 
@Deep Nozzle Throat I have no idea if you're BS'ing on being an insider or not, but I have to ask.. What's your opinion on Scott Manley? He seems to be very into space, but also very very political. He's been hardcore 'SLS is only a jobs program for those yokels in the south' type and to cancel it. He was also incredibly pro-Obama/Biden who, lets be honest, basically pushed the US space program back 10+ years. He's also buddied up to Jared a lot and has been kinda quiet lately on SLS success. IMO he's a political hack more than a space realist. Yeah SLS is expensive and 'non-re-usable hater'(but really, who cares if it is or not for big missions like this)
 
Deep Nozzle Throat said:
I want to give credit to @ConsentAccidentVictimNo98 for his post about SpaceX upthread because it nails a lot of the smaller details. The only missing info about the early days of SpaceX is how Beal Aerospace was founded back in 1997 and then shut down because Andy Beal correctly predicted that government contracts would tip the scales in favor of "commercial" activities and nullify the whole commercial space sector as a competitive field driven by market forces. Beal's probably the only member of the space libertarian crowd (which the commercial sector grew out of, there was a literal "Galt's Gulch" meeting in the early 2000s that set early commercial space culture) that actually stayed true to his word. Had the pleasure of rubbing elbows with him some years ago, have to concede that he's pretty bright still.
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Thanks!

I was also unaware of Beal Aerospace for whatever reason, call me a shitty historian (I did actually do a dissertation in Politics on "the space race". Let's just say I had too much scope and reached too far for 10k words as I tried doing from the interwar period to the modern day in 10k words. But this is when I stopped caring about my degree).

If I was to rewrite what I wrote, I won't I'd include that alongside noting that modern commercial space in the US really goes all the way back to the Challenger disaster with the Air Force's decision to return to expendable launch vehicles, destroying the artificial monopoly created for the Shuttle that it was meant to exist in. And with government funding for other contracts, the roots for the likes of SpaceX were formed.

Granted, such a history doesn't sell well so people won't go "wow SpaceX exists because they got money for fucking over other commercial companies, with commercial space only existing because of the Challenger disaster". But, @EricBergerSock if you do use the story please thank me!

Granted, there is a sophisticated commercial market in other countries outside of the US which doesn't exist because of Challenger.
Deep Nozzle Throat said:
Beal Aerospace's test site, where they test fired the largest engine developed since the F-1, would be brought by SpaceX in the late 2000s. You probably know it as McGregor.
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That's basically how "New Space" works tbf, they try to gauge employees from everywhere else with all their pomp and circumstances by going "see, we're doing cool stuff" - with it all being fluff.

I don't have a source for this, but weren't pretty much all of the people who worked on Delta Clipper hired by Blue?
Deep Nozzle Throat said:
The EUS story is not very public at this point and only truly known to perhaps a half dozen people, myself included. As far as I'm willing to powerlevel, there were serious issues with it that would have long poled the timeline.
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I may be wrong, I don't have an engineering background but this really should have been expected given how Boeing did quite a bad job early on with how they originally intended to build the core stage with the welding, and how there were issues with a lot of the parts developed. Where, if I am remembering correctly the core stage of Artemis 3 was originally meant to be used on 1? I could be entirely wrong but yeah.

And this also relates to the employee gauging because if there is a constant flow of employees, over a wide range of employers then it all becomes diverged and you get less overall labour. I cannot be certain on this, but I have heard there has been a lack of skilled engineers at Boeing Space? Hence, they don't have the actual skill to make SLS. Because everyone else either A: Wants to go to SpaceX/others because they are doing the "cool" rockets, and B: They offer higher pay
Deep Nozzle Throat said:
Of course being in the absolute minority camp of feeling Isaacman's pivots are largely coming from the correct angle, but being anti-commercialization, there's not many spaces out there to discuss that kind of nuance. Ultimately I don't think the "cancel SLS" crowd will get what they want, especially not after this mission casts a very positive spotlight on SLS/Orion as a successful, world-class system.
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Honestly, the main problem is that you arguably need both block 1b and block 1-Centaur (with them having bole), just as much as Orion actually needs Gateway. This being because of the constraints of Orion's concurrent design, as centred upon the Constellation Ares 1 + V architecture. EUS is necessary for Gateway construction stuff. A less capable SLS is good for bringing people over to Gateway. Which, with the cargo being launched separately.
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I know Berger is mining this thread, and I'd love to know the full story of how he "left" the Chron. Don't think we don't know, Eric).
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Hahaha, Eric Berger has to stroll the Kiwi Farms to find information for his articles. Average hack fraud moment.
 
LOL they had some comm issues because of large file transfer. I think its because the canadian is trying to get his moose porn collection.

edit: Now they recreate a standard IT support call. "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

edit edit: Inner glass panes are dirty, astros blame themselves, asking for a procedure on how to clean. How that happened is anyone's guess.

Earth 18000 miles away.PNG Orion 18000miles from earth(the little white dot)

edit edit edit: Toilet is working but has five more uses??? Astro asked about something being armed and whether he should disarm it, the great ground comms first said ARM it, then few seconds later after astro asked to confirm that, ground said no DISARM it. Thank fuck this wasn't an ICBM. Christina's PDC, (personal display computer?) is not working. All standard IT attempts to fix it have failed.
 
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ConsentAccidentVictimNo98 said:
If I was to rewrite what I wrote, I won't I'd include that alongside noting that modern commercial space in the US really goes all the way back to the Challenger disaster with the Air Force's decision to return to expendable launch vehicles, destroying the artificial monopoly created for the Shuttle that it was meant to exist in. And with government funding for other contracts, the roots for the likes of SpaceX were formed.
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Glad to see that someone else has read The Space Shuttle Decision. I also think LEO on the Cheap is tantamount to understanding the commercial space doctrine, because it's the document that started the cost/lb / cost/kg faggotry that permeates the whole commercial space discussion.
ConsentAccidentVictimNo98 said:
I don't have a source for this, but weren't pretty much all of the people who worked on Delta Clipper hired by Blue?
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Yes, they all went on to Goddard and then New Shepard.
ConsentAccidentVictimNo98 said:
I may be wrong, I don't have an engineering background but this really should have been expected given how Boeing did quite a bad job early on with how they originally intended to build the core stage with the welding, and how there were issues with a lot of the parts developed. Where, if I am remembering correctly the core stage of Artemis 3 was originally meant to be used on 1? I could be entirely wrong but yeah.

And this also relates to the employee gauging because if there is a constant flow of employees, over a wide range of employers then it all becomes diverged and you get less overall labour. I cannot be certain on this, but I have heard there has been a lack of skilled engineers at Boeing Space? Hence, they don't have the actual skill to make SLS. Because everyone else either A: Wants to go to SpaceX/others because they are doing the "cool" rockets, and B: They offer higher pay
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Boeing's space division is not perfect (it's a long shot better than their aviation division, they may as well be two different companies) but not nearly that bad. The only hint I'm willing to give publicly is that it was not dangerous, just severely performance limiting, and could be solved with more development time and a higher budget. Ironically Eric "Norwood 4" Berger could probably cite exactly what the issue was if he had true insider knowledge or insight, but he's been shut off of all of his real insider sources for being a faggot. Sad thing is, he's actually a pretty decent meteorologist when he's not trying to destroy the US space program.
ConsentAccidentVictimNo98 said:
Honestly, the main problem is that you arguably need both block 1b and block 1-Centaur (with them having bole), just as much as Orion actually needs Gateway. This being because of the constraints of Orion's concurrent design, as centred upon the Constellation Ares 1 + V architecture. EUS is necessary for Gateway construction stuff. A less capable SLS is good for bringing people over to Gateway. Which, with the cargo being launched separately.
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Again because of the EUS issues there's something that had to be done about the B1B configuration. It's probably a decision that should have been made >5 years ago, but it appears to have cropped up late. I mostly just hope for SLS core orders to go out past 2029 so that there's something to build off of, whether that's Centaur V and a miracle or EUS and a several year delay into the next decade.
ConsentAccidentVictimNo98 said:
Hahaha, Eric Berger has to stroll the Kiwi Farms to find information for his articles. Average hack fraud moment.
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A lot of useful discussion forums have had to shut down because Berger likes to dig into obscure spaces to find juicy leaks. (This also happens because rabid SpaceX cocksuckers love to shit up the spaces. Saarship do not redeem, you get the idea). A few years ago the largest pro-Artemis community on the web had a massive security breach because one of his goons was screenshotting the whole thing in the hopes of finding leaks. NASASpaceFlight just plain old sucks and any industry insiders left ages ago. He is an enormous hack fraud and I hope Isaacman stops taking his phone calls after splashdown.

Genuine cow material for what it's worth. Just very good at DFE.
 
i do kinda wish the soviets eventually made it to the moon after the united states of course but it'd be cool to see footage of cosmonauts on the moon and stuff
 
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