The Space Thread - Launches, Events, Live Streams, Governments, Corporations, drama in Spaaaaaaaaaaaace

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Fucking wild to look up at the Moon tonight and think that in just under a week, they'll be orbiting that big chunk of regolith. Will be even fucking weirder when we land on it again to look up at it and think "yeah there's people fucking walking around up there at this very moment, or sleeping up there, or whatever they're doing."

Wonder if they'll include a rover this time. From what I understand it was actually quite a pain in the ass for the lads to assemble up there, but it was necessary to reach certain objectives near the landing site. And somehow getting it up there attached to the descent module fully assembled would be an even bigger engineering pain in the ass, which is something I learned quite well playing KSP's Real Solar System mod. It was funny because originally I started out trying to do my own design for a lander that would pop down and return without any separation, but ultimately I found it unfeasible and went with the tried and true method of having a lander and a separate ascent module. Of course I forgot to load some of my research into the ascent module, so it's just sitting there with the lander forevermore. Believe I had three successful landings and I suspect watching the launch yesterday is going to force me to boot it up again. Would like to try a rover this time, maybe land near one of the poles as I've pretty much milked all other scientific objectives dry. Cool thing about RSS is that you actually sort of do need to mirror the real lunar program, first sending up various altimetry satellites and such to try and pick out suitable landing sites, then unmanned surveyor probes dropped on candidate sites.

That game is crazy fucking entertaining for the right sort of person, scratches my autistic itch just right I guess. I still haven't fucking cracked a manned Mars mission yet and last time I played, I had a vessel with four separate lander probes headed for the Martian system [three to touch down on Mars, one to either check out Phobos or Deimos] and a lander headed for Venus.

That's one thing I wish we would do in real life - more Venus shit. I've always been fascinated by that planet for whatever reason and only the Russians managed to put something on the surface that didn't immediately combust, after quite a few failed attempts, one of which IIRC was partially stymied by a camera lens cap that refused to come off. Of course I get why we don't really fuck with Venus that much, it's hard to put anything on the surface that isn't immediately destroyed and we can be fairly certain there is no water or the slightest possibility of life on the surface, so it's not as scientifically interesting as Mars and not as "easy" to reach as the Moon. A Mercury lander would be cool too but due to the velocities involved, that's really, really fucking difficult to do.
 
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Toilet is working but has five more uses???
Woman shit it up too much, way too much TP, woman moment
Astro asked about something being armed and whether he should disarm it
Who armed it in the first place, you ask? Woman moment
Christina's PDC, (personal display computer?) is not working
Even her electronics refuse to respect her, Woman moment

It sure is fun to say retarded things about people way smarter than me, but we can blame the woman, the leaf, or the nigger for any fuck ups (flawless performance so far keep it up astros)
 
Glad to see that someone else has read The Space Shuttle Decision. I also think LEO on the Cheap is tantamount to understanding the commercial space doctrine, because it's the document that started the cost/lb / cost/kg faggotry that permeates the whole commercial space discussion.
I actually haven't ready it, but I am aware of the core logic of "hmm, make access to space cheap then more poeple will come" monkey brain logic. Satellites being expensive and all, and that there are some costs that must be accounted for. Which is the best part of discourses of SpaceX when it comes to their Mars approach because ahh yes, 20 million or whatever it costs to launch a Superheavy sounds good until you realize that the launch vehicles are the cheap part, especially when it comes to long term habitation. Especially in deep space, Martian conditions which are far more hostile than LEO.

Granted, there are a lot of costs that can be reduced, like removing white rooms. Because what good did they do JWST? (I have seen this argued).

Most people also forget launch infrastructure, Falcon 9 + Heavy can't still have payloads vertically integrated. But who needs that when we can just build a big telescope in Starship and just use the chopsticks to bring it into place?
Yes, they all went on to Goddard and then New Shepard.
Thought so, it's just that I didn't have an on hand source
i do kinda wish the soviets eventually made it to the moon after the united states of course but it'd be cool to see footage of cosmonauts on the moon and stuff
Ironically, had the Soviet Union survived I would have bet on them being able to return to the moon before the US in the 21st century because of Energia. Why Energia? - Well, I've explained this already but it was an operational super heavy lift rocket which was more powerful than the N-1, and could lift more into orbit than SLS Block 1. I'm not sure what it's Trans Lunar payload would have been, but it would have been best optimised for something like Constellation.

So, if you want something really cursed to think about. Imagine a hacked together Soviet Constellation with the Energia stack launching a transfer stage + lander on its side to LEO, and a Soyuz taking the Ares 1 role as both Energia and Soyuz were launching when the USSR collapsed. It's just that Energia became basically unfeasible after the collapse of the Soviet Union for numerous reasons. First cost, second Ukraine being independent.

Ironically, the Soviets were in the best position for anything space related at the end of the Cold War. As is probably obvious with my thread history, I find the Energia program really interesting, and have done so for a while. I ended up getting this book for my 12th birthday and I still have it 9, nearly 10 years later.

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Most people would probably think I was mad for wanting to read such a thing at that age, but hey ho.
 
Ironically, had the Soviet Union survived I would have bet on them being able to return to the moon before the US in the 21st century because of Energia. Why Energia? - Well, I've explained this already but it was an operational super heavy lift rocket which was more powerful than the N-1, and could lift more into orbit than SLS Block 1. I'm not sure what it's Trans Lunar payload would have been, but it would have been best optimised for something like Constellation.

So, if you want something really cursed to think about. Imagine a hacked together Soviet Constellation with the Energia stack launching a transfer stage + lander on its side to LEO, and a Soyuz taking the Ares 1 role as both Energia and Soyuz were launching when the USSR collapsed. It's just that Energia became basically unfeasible after the collapse of the Soviet Union for numerous reasons. First cost, second Ukraine being independent.

Ironically, the Soviets were in the best position for anything space related at the end of the Cold War. As is probably obvious with my thread history, I find the Energia program really interesting, and have done so for a while. I ended up getting this book for my 12th birthday and I still have it 9, nearly 10 years later.
as much as i hate communism i have a deep respect for the soviet space program it was badass
 
as much as i hate communism i have a deep respect for the soviet space program it was badass
It's also a really good soap opera of everyone trying to fuck each over. The main conflict being between Glushko and Korolev. Then you get Ustinov (defense minister) and Chelomey. A lot of the Soviet achievements were really risky, and basically just upgraded the R-7 rocket. Sort of like how the Falcon 9 has been. I've already stated Soviet space efforts are actually really similar to how commercial space operates, and that is true as a lot of it is intertwined with political connections. Korolev was great at playing politics, but Chelomey was able to rise to influence because Krushchev's son worked for his bureau.

Granted, comparisons with the Falcon 9 to the R-7 immediately invoke comparisons of Starship to the N-1. That is always fun.
 
It's also a really good soap opera of everyone trying to fuck each over. The main conflict being between Glushko and Korolev. Then you get Ustinov (defense minister) and Chelomey. A lot of the Soviet achievements were really risky, and basically just upgraded the R-7 rocket. Sort of like how the Falcon 9 has been. I've already stated Soviet space efforts are actually really similar to how commercial space operates, and that is true as a lot of it is intertwined with political connections. Korolev was great at playing politics, but Chelomey was able to rise to influence because Krushchev's son worked for his bureau.

Granted, comparisons with the Falcon 9 to the R-7 immediately invoke comparisons of Starship to the N-1. That is always fun.
the n-1 is one of my favorite looking rockets kinda wish it worked lol
 
PCD 4 still not working, ground control just said to leave it unplugged so it can drain overnight for maybe another try at restarting it tomorrow.
They already have contingencies in place if it doesn't work, they will just rotate PCDs depending on the task required. It's not a big issue.
They go to sleep for now.

edit: cabin leak detection light came on, and astros asked why light suddenly came on. Ground control said they were working on it for 3 minutes(they shut it off to work on a software? issue), but there are no issues with the capsule. All is still good. Will say though the astros say it is colder than expected, so they ask to turn the heat up when they sleep.

Confirmed!!! they can use toilet!
A billion pajeets are disappointed.
 
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Confirmed!!! they can use toilet!
A billion pajeets are disappointed.
Glad they are working the non serious bugs out, seems quite a bit of them but nothing too serious. Godspeed to the moon Artemis 2,

 
i do kinda wish the soviets eventually made it to the moon after the united states of course but it'd be cool to see footage of cosmonauts on the moon and stuff
China is planning to achieve a manned Moon landing by the end of the decade, so the US will soon have some competition in this arena. It will be interesting to see how theirs turns out in comparison.

It would honestly be nice if these sorts of achievements could encourage some unity between people, but sadly I'm not optimistic.
 
FFS really?!?! you didn't tell them you would do a test while they were asleep?!?!
Edit: Nothing wrong, but holy shit, try warn a brother next time.
 
The first day after launch, the astronauts got 4 hours of sleep. Are they still on that tight sleep schedule now, or since they are in transit do they get to sleep a bit longer today? Aside from the ground control tests waking them up, of course.
 
No one may care about this now, but we are living in an amazing age, we live on the shoulders of not just giants, but also on the shoulders of the gods.
 
They really are missing out on some extra funding.
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