US "The Squad" Megathread - Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Talib Derangement Syndrome

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I honestly only know about American politics from what I read on the Internet but since we all love shitting on leftists I figured we'd get a kick out of this. Also it's trending on Twitter so you know it's important.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...irect=on&noredirect=on&utm_term=.960552c9ba53

NEW YORK — Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a 28-year-old political novice running on a low budget and an unabashedly liberal platform, upset longtime U.S. Rep. Joseph Crowley on Tuesday in the Democratic congressional primary in New York.

The surprise victory by the community organizer in a district that includes parts of the Bronx and Queens came after an energetic, grassroots campaign that mustered more than enough support in a low-turnout race that many had expected to be an easy win for Crowley, a member of the Democratic House leadership.

“The community is ready for a movement of economic and social justice. That is what we tried to deliver,” said Ocasio-Cortez, who has never held elected office and whose candidacy attracted only modest media attention.

She told The Associated Press after her victory that she didn’t have enough money to do polling in the race, but felt in her gut that her message had a chance to connect.

“I live in this community. I organized in this community. I felt the absence of the incumbent. I knew he didn’t have a strong presence,” she said.

Crowley has been in Congress since 1999 and hadn’t faced an opponent in a primary election since 2004, when Ocasio-Cortez was just a teenager. He was considered a candidate to become the next House speaker if Democrats win the majority.

“It’s not about me,” Crowley, 56, told his supporters at a campaign party following his loss. “It’s about America. I want nothing but the best for Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. I want her to be victorious.”

He later played guitar with a band at the election night gathering, and dedicated the first song, Bruce Springsteen’s “Born to Run,” to Ocasio-Cortez.

Crowley represents New York’s 14th Congressional District, where he is also the leader of the Queens Democratic party.

Ocasio-Cortez was outspent by an 18-1 margin during her race but won the endorsement of some influential groups on the party’s far left, including MoveOn, as well as the actress Cynthia Nixon, who is running for governor. She defeated Crowley by 15 percentage points.

Born in the Bronx to a mother from Puerto Rico and a father who died in 2008, Ocasio-Cortez said she decided to challenge Crowley to push a more progressive stance on economic and other issues.

She attended Boston University, where she earned degrees in economics and international relations, and also spent time working in the office of the late U.S. Sen. Edward Kennedy.

After graduating, she returned to the Bronx where she became a community organizer. In the 2016 presidential campaign she worked for U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders.

Among her issues is expanding the Medicare program to people of all ages and abolishing Immigrations and Customs Enforcement. She recently went to Tornillo, Texas, to protest against policies that have separated parents from their children at the southern U.S. border.

Ocasio-Cortez gained some internet attention for a campaign video called “The Courage to Change,” a two-minute spot for which she wrote the script and featured footage from her own home.

Crowley is chair of the House Democratic Caucus, the fourth-highest ranking position in Democratic leadership in that chamber of Congress.

His loss drew the attention of President Donald Trump.

“Wow! Big Trump Hater Congressman Joe Crowley, who many expected was going to take Nancy Pelosi’s place, just LOST his primary election. In other words, he’s out! That is a big one that nobody saw happening. Perhaps he should have been nicer, and more respectful, to his President!” he tweeted.

The Republican candidate for the office, Anthony Pappas, is running unopposed and had no primary. Pappas teaches economics at St. John’s University.
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She was a Bernie campaigner, is supported by BLM, and wants to abolish Immigrations and Customs Enforcement. Also this was in a solid-blue Congressional District so you know she's a shoo-in for next Congress.

But hey, we did get to see Trump laugh at Crowley on Twitter.
 
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Bassomatic said:
She's a smoke screen, we have a huge thread on this joker anyways. I don't think we really need one in DT because she's a show, a test and a media darling because she is so god damn a walking stereotype of people her age that gets hyped from the far right and left and even normies.

Ignore it and it'll go away, like any toddler throwing it's toys.

I bet you in 5 years if the news can stop pozload my neghole with her, she will be a postal clerk manager in bum fuck iowa or something. She's a nothing a no one living on her 15 mins.
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Fuck off, Iowa doesn't want her. Send her ass to Venezuela.
 
Iwasamwillbe said:
So I was watching political YouTube videos, when I came across this amazing piece of investigative journalism.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=1h5iv6sECGU
I put off watching it for a while, then came back to it, and it intrigues me immensely.

And of course, I watched the second part two.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=V-3_FGyhg4k
One of the major assertions made in the video duology is that AOC is only a puppet candidate of the Justice Democrats, and that the Justice Democrats pose a serious threat to American national sovereignty and stability via their sneaky and surreptitiously clever tactics (such as planning to put "democratic" socialists as Republicans in local elections so that Republican voters will be duped into voting for socialists, because people generally don't pay attention to the candidates of local elections), with the goal of transforming the Democrat Party, and eventually the society of America, to their own ends.

However, there does exist a video cautioning against the "alarmism" in the previous two videos, while still agreeing with their major points:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ev2euepnyfQ
I don't think the response video is sufficient (Chunky Yogurt may be a dumbass, but not necessarily the rest of the Justice Democrats), but I still think it's an interesting watch.

So does anyone here think that the Justice Democrats pose a serious threat to American politics and/or civilization as we know it?
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Eh, sometimes Occum's Razor applies, and I don't think there are any brains associated with AOC.
 
Secret Asshole said:
The DNC is now ready and expecting the Justice Democrats to primary more. And if there is one thing that the DNC is really good at, its killing truly progressive candidates. To make any waves, the Justice Democrats would have required Tea-Party like coordination and money, which they simply do not have. Because they're really, really, fucking stupid and unpopular. So 1) The DNC knows of this tactic and is completely ready for it 2) The DNC will only give the two superficial support and praise so the media thinks that the Democrats love them, but the DNC will basically give them two in the back of the skull when the time comes 3) The DNC is probably already plotting against the Justice Democrats and targeting against their funding sources so they can't afford to do this on any major scale.
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I just wanted to point out that the DNC was dumb enough to bet the bank on Hillary winning and essentially run themselves into the ground by doing so. Trump was so much of a clusterfuck for the DNC that they've been on life support ever since the election. What makes you think that the DNC is actually prepared for the Justice Democrats, who are currently backed by oodles of yuan and have the interest of pretty powerful west coast business figures - businessmen who desperately want an "in" in China, which the Justice Democrats can help provide by being much more in line with Chinese interests?

I think you're very much underplaying this. The DNC has proven to be run by extremely incompetent fools in the last decade. They got extremely complacent with Obama in office, thought they knew everything, and got blindsided when they didn't campaign in traditionally blue states.

Their solution was to cry about Trump until the Mueller report, and when that basically came back empty (though, I'm waiting to see the full report myself to see what's really what) they had literally nothing to show for it. Then they managed to barely take the House, couldn't grab the Senate, and Trump (and the GOP) looks all the better for it.

If I were a party person (and I'm not) I'd be fucking pissed at the people in charge - primed and ready to vote for someone else. The current leadership at the DNC fucked up so hard that they've basically abdicated any real power that they had. What we're seeing now is a rush to fill the power void.

AOC and Omar might have a bad group of people handling them, but do you think the Justice Democrats won't learn from those mistakes? Their next candidates will be slightly more savvy and hide the commie rhetoric a little better.
 
Iwasamwillbe said:
So I was watching political YouTube videos, when I came across this amazing piece of investigative journalism.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=1h5iv6sECGU
I put off watching it for a while, then came back to it, and it intrigues me immensely.

And of course, I watched the second part two.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=V-3_FGyhg4k
One of the major assertions made in the video duology is that AOC is only a puppet candidate of the Justice Democrats, and that the Justice Democrats pose a serious threat to American national sovereignty and stability via their sneaky and surreptitiously clever tactics (such as planning to put "democratic" socialists as Republicans in local elections so that Republican voters will be duped into voting for socialists, because people generally don't pay attention to the candidates of local elections), with the goal of transforming the Democrat Party, and eventually the society of America, to their own ends.

However, there does exist a video cautioning against the "alarmism" in the previous two videos, while still agreeing with their major points:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ev2euepnyfQ
I don't think the response video is sufficient (Chunky Yogurt may be a dumbass, but not necessarily the rest of the Justice Democrats), but I still think it's an interesting watch.

So does anyone here think that the Justice Democrats pose a serious threat to American politics and/or civilization as we know it?
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So to summarise, the terrifying conspiracy is that OAC:

  1. Is a member of a political party that has policies and fights to control congress.
  2. Has a staff who develop policy ideas for her
I can only presume that the guy who made these videos just arrived on Earth yesterday, because everyone in congress is involved in this "conspiracy."
Turns out that most politicians are lawyers, because successful lawyers look pretty and have a decent grasp of rhetoric. If you really think that most of those dumbshits are actually thinking up the policies they promote then perhaps you might want to pay a visit to the real world some day.
 
Secret Asshole said:
Th Justice Democrats are basically the Communist Worker's Party. The thing is, this is the same thing that happened to the Republicans with the Tea Party insurgency, but while the Justice Democrats of 2019 are more like the 'Animal Liberation Front' setting fire to a few fur places and freeing the minks to let them get run over in traffic, the Tea Party was fucking Vietnam. You had Republicans being primaried and destroyed to the point where the moderates in the Republican party were pretty much devastated as a wing. The survivors then went further to the right to protect themselves from primary opponents who might destroy them. You have to understand, this had millions upon millions upon millions of dollars with two of the richest donors who hired the most savvy political operators. And this was in one election. And it came out of fucking nowhere, so the RNC had no time to react to what was basically an outside revolution.

So, I think the threat of the Justice Democrats is far overblown. They don't have the billions the Koch brothers did and they've completely lost the element of surprise with AOC running her dumb fucking mouth so much that she's become a massive liability everywhere outside of LA and NYC. Same with that dumb Muslim cunt. They've both become embarrassments. The Tea Party was also a united voting front that required no cooperation from any arm of the Republican Party, which is what made them so frightening. The two current Justice Democrats have nearly no power and no voting bloc. The only people who adore them are the media, who is probably the most hated class in the United States right now.

The DNC is now ready and expecting the Justice Democrats to primary more. And if there is one thing that the DNC is really good at, its killing truly progressive candidates. To make any waves, the Justice Democrats would have required Tea-Party like coordination and money, which they simply do not have. Because they're really, really, fucking stupid and unpopular. So 1) The DNC knows of this tactic and is completely ready for it 2) The DNC will only give the two superficial support and praise so the media thinks that the Democrats love them, but the DNC will basically give them two in the back of the skull when the time comes 3) The DNC is probably already plotting against the Justice Democrats and targeting against their funding sources so they can't afford to do this on any major scale.

Of course, any move the DNC are making are really behind the scenes. They don't want to risk 2020, but they're not going to tolerate the Justice Democrats either. This is where the 'House of Cards' shit comes in.

You also have to remember, the Tea Party had astro-turfed popularity too. So there were millions spent on marketing as well as candidates. AOC has none of that and she's too fucking stupid and arrogant to do any of it. The Justice Democrats are only a problem for the Democrats, because they're pushing farther to the left when the country is moving in the opposite direction. Its going to endanger their elections on basically every level. I mean, the Democrats have the identity politics problem which they haven't been able to resolve. They exploited it way too much and are now stuck. The Justice Democrats are a symptom of that. But unless the DNC is so incompetent that they actually let this insurgency continue, then I think the Democrats are fucked for several cycles, because none of the Justice Dems hold any sort of popularity among the majority of the country.
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I disagree that the Justice Democrats don't have power, because AOC is on a few prominent committees, namely the House Oversight Committee. I'm curious of your opinion on this: if the Democrats don't want to tolerate the Justice Democrats, why are they placing AOC on these committees? Are the Democrats sabotaging her? Is it simply because of her lionization in the media? Is it an example of the artificial support they're giving her until the time to oust her comes? Or are the Democrats seriously (and foolishly) embracing their ideas?
 
Duck Hwan said:
I disagree that the Justice Democrats don't have power, because AOC is on a few prominent committees, namely the House Oversight Committee. I'm curious of your opinion on this: if the Democrats don't want to tolerate the Justice Democrats, why are they placing AOC on these committees? Are the Democrats sabotaging her? Is it simply because of her lionization in the media? Is it an example of the artificial support they're giving her until the time to oust her comes? Or are the Democrats seriously (and foolishly) embracing their ideas?
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I suspect that a fair number of middling reps were legitimately afraid of being primaried by JD and would rather cede a seat or fight for a seat to avoid the spotlight and associated risk. Personally I'd be surprised if it was really something well-coordinated by the DNC
 
Duck Hwan said:
I disagree that the Justice Democrats don't have power, because AOC is on a few prominent committees, namely the House Oversight Committee. I'm curious of your opinion on this: if the Democrats don't want to tolerate the Justice Democrats, why are they placing AOC on these committees? Are the Democrats sabotaging her? Is it simply because of her lionization in the media? Is it an example of the artificial support they're giving her until the time to oust her comes? Or are the Democrats seriously (and foolishly) embracing their ideas?
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The Democrats aren't seriously embracing her ideas because the Democrats don't actually embrace ideas; they've coasted by on the last 30 years on platitudes. They listen to the constituents, say they agree, and then keep doing whatever they feel like.

AOC is just the newest version of that (after Bernie, at least) - it's their way of saying to their constituents "hey we agree with you, look at all these important committees we have her on - you should vote for our other Democrats since we're all on the same team" while doing exactly nothing with her contributions and continuing to do the same shit they always do (wasting tax money through embezzlement and unnecessary government programs). They haven't actually fixed anything they control - parts of Detroit don't have clean water for years (and none of them have industry), Chichago is still called "Chiraq" because it's a hellhole, California still has areas of the most extreme poverty known to man and even the high class areas still have issues with people pissing/shitting on the street. Barack Obama didn't fix anything he set out to do and he typically made them all worse (America's dignity, racism, poverty, healthcare) and people are starting to realize that.

The only reason you see Democrats distancing/sabotaging AOC is because she's trying to be disruptive (despite the fact she is alleged to have some very shady fundraising) and instead of being a help to the Democrats is instead being a burden. If she kept to herself, stuck to her talking points, and didn't try and damage the party no one would care about her.
 
Probably off-topic, but you bring up an interesting point. The areas with the most poverty in the nation are typically democrat-run. Under the Supplemental Poverty Measure, which actually accounts for things like cost of living, state taxes etc, instead of assuming everywhere has the same factors, places like California, New York, and DC have the highest rates of poverty.
 
bruhidfk12345 said:
Probably off-topic, but you bring up an interesting point. The areas with the most poverty in the nation are typically democrat-run. Under the Supplemental Poverty Measure, which actually accounts for things like cost of living, state taxes etc, instead of assuming everywhere has the same factors, places like California, New York, and DC have the highest rates of poverty.
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You can't promise to fix things when you've actually fixed things.

Not to mention there will always be "poverty" as that's defined against median income.
 
bruhidfk12345 said:
Probably off-topic, but you bring up an interesting point. The areas with the most poverty in the nation are typically democrat-run. Under the Supplemental Poverty Measure, which actually accounts for things like cost of living, state taxes etc, instead of assuming everywhere has the same factors, places like California, New York, and DC have the highest rates of poverty.
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I'd like to echo what @DanteAlighieri wrote, but also add this:

This is the DNC's business model. They promise to fix things for the voting impoverished, but never do. They work towards making the % of their constituents mostly working and voting poor. When they can't do that, they fight to "diversify" areas (import poor people to change the sociaoeconomic makeup of an area).

They basically gerrymander through forced demographics manipulation. They've done this for at least as long as I've been alive.

Guns are their #1 enemy because gun violence happens more to the poor than any other demographic. It's also really easy to get bleeding hearts on your side when it's a scary killing device.

Also, they don't actually want to fix things because fixing things removes the incentive to vote blue. Hell, look at Flint. The democrats use that as their go-to plea, yet they've done nothing about it and, uh, oh yeah, democrats caused the whole thing in the first place.
 
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... What's with the accent? You never had anything resembling a Southern drawl before, why the Hell are you trying to pull a Hillary?
 
It's HK-47 said:
What's with the accent? You never had anything resembling a Southern drawl before, why the Hell are you trying to pull a Hillary?
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It's a subconscious thing that some people do when they think that the people they're talking to are less intelligent. It's an attempt at a relaxed manner of speaking that usually comes out as some weird drawl. She's trying to be relatable but really she's just being an asshole.
 
Some JERK said:
It's a subconscious thing that some people do when they think that the people they're talking to are less intelligent. It's an attempt at a relaxed manner of speaking that usually comes out as some weird drawl. She's trying to be relatable but really she's just being an asshole.
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Yep. There's a Yale study that shows liberals dumb it down when talking to black people.
 
It's HK-47 said:
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... What's with the accent? You never had anything resembling a Southern drawl before, why the Hell are you trying to pull a Hillary?
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I'm more interested in that faux Humble Roots crap she's trying to pull.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't she spend most of her childhood out in Westchester County or some other yuppie New York suburb?
Oh and yeah AOC the Working Class are great!...Until they vote GOP and then all those Archie Bunkers instantly become scum to people like you.
 
BR55 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't she spend most of her childhood out in Westchester County or some other yuppie New York suburb?
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I'd heard she attended a ritzy and almost entirely white high school in Joisey.
 
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