The Ultimate Scooby-Doo Thread - Like zoinks Scoob I think she has an extra chromesome. - Ruh roh raggy, retard!

[Pabst Blue Robot]

Mystery Inc. is a show I remember being good but I also forget that it exists half of the time. I think it was like two years ago I was describing it like some kind of dream I had and a friend told me "That's a real thing, it's called Mystery Incorporated". I remember it being wild and getting like kind of surreal and horrifying (for an eight-year-old) toward the end. I also think Fred's mom was like trying to fuck him or something. Is it worth another watch, now that I can remember things?

 

[Patrick Bait-man]

Mystery Inc. is a show I remember being good but I also forget that it exists half of the time. I think it was like two years ago I was describing it like some kind of dream I had and a friend told me "That's a real thing, it's called Mystery Incorporated". I remember it being wild and getting like kind of surreal and horrifying (for an eight-year-old) toward the end. I also think Fred's mom was like trying to fuck him or something. Is it worth another watch, now that I can remember things?

You should take another look at it.

Mystery Incorporated is arguably the best piece of Scooby-Doo media we've ever gotten.

 

[Oats12345]

The Scooby Doo Blaire Witch project was cool

 

[Commander X]

The Scooby Doo Blaire Witch project was cool

As opposed to the Blaire White crossover, which was horrifying.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Mystery Inc. is a show I remember being good but I also forget that it exists half of the time. I think it was like two years ago I was describing it like some kind of dream I had and a friend told me "That's a real thing, it's called Mystery Incorporated". I remember it being wild and getting like kind of surreal and horrifying (for an eight-year-old) toward the end. I also think Fred's mom was like trying to fuck him or something. Is it worth another watch, now that I can remember things?

You know, I feel like Mystery Inc is one of those series where we all watched the first half, then completely missed the second. We remember it being good, but it is almost like one half aired in a void. I get the same impression from Generator Rex, The Looney Tunes Show, and even Regular Show to some degree. I think CN stopped advertising and giving good time slots to many of their series past 2012, causing many to remember them being good, but losing track of what actually happened.

 

[BrunoMattei]

I think Scooby Doo sucks.

That is all.

 

[feral cat #6385]

How many times do you think Scooby had a threesome with Velma and Daphne?

 

[Patrick Bait-man]

I think Scooby Doo sucks.

That is all.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

I think the first time I saw Scooby-Doo was when it aired on Cartoon Network and, briefly, TNT (believe it or not).

 

[Super-Chevy454]

I saw that comment about Velma on a vlog from ClownfishTV. It gived me some chuckles so it was worth to share.

Just a guy who likes stuff (Mayk Felix)​

You know you screwed up when you anger both sides. Also fun fact: The Velma show has surpassed both Santa Inc and DragonBall Evolution as the worst show, let that sink in.

 

[millais]

I liked Norm Macdonald as the Pigeon.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Scooby Doo and the Ghoul School was really fucking awful.
it seems like it was supposed to be a Police Academy Kids project that the license fell through, and so they threw in Scooby and Shaggy at the last minute

when I was a kid I def recall preferring the ones where it was Old Man Soandso, owner of the haunted whatever, but I also hated Flim Flam and Scrappy and all the other spares from when they fought real spoop more than I cared about the monster being a real monster

I still need to go through Mystery, Inc and Guess Who, they both seem pretty cool
Mystery, Inc is the part with the Jin Roh part, right?

 

[Super-Chevy454]

When Grey DeLisle tweeted "Jeepers!!!" about Velma, no need to guess what she means.

https://twitter.com/GreyDeLisle/status/1616985949627645955

 

[Oats12345]

When Grey DeLisle tweeted "Jeepers!!!" about Velma, no need to guess what she means.

https://twitter.com/GreyDeLisle/status/1616985949627645955

I guess even Grey can't pretend to like it.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

I guess even Grey can't pretend to like it.

The fact that she doesn’t have to pretend and can just mock it is very fun to see.

 

[Patrick Bait-man]

"Like zoinks Scoob, don't you fucking say it."

"You're a rigger raggot, raggy."

 

[Patrick Bait-man]

An entire finished Scooby-Doo movie was leaked on 4chan titled Scooby-Doo! And Krypto, Too! It was previously canceled and written as a tax write-off after the Warner Bros. Discovery merger (or not. Some people say it wasn't and it's slated for release later this year on September 25th according to this and this is an early release of it. But it's not fully known).


It can be found here on the Internet Archive (Warner Bros. is already distributing copyright claims, so be weary and save a personal copy of it if you will).

This private information is unavailable to guests due to policies enforced by third-parties.

 

[skykiii]

James Gunn turbo-fucked the IP by introducing meta humor and LGBT Velma into this franchise.

I agre with a lot of what you wrote, but you can't place meta-humor at James Gunn's feet. That was present as far back as 1985's A Pup Named Scooby Doo, the show I personally see as the real starting point of the rot.

For me, the ultimate problem is...

Okay, Scooby Doo from the 1960s to the start of the 1980s had a good balance of comedy and horror/mystery (even if in a safe-for-kids/Goosebumps sense). Like look at some of the location shots and backgrounds from the 1969 show... they could be legitimately spooky, and I remember this being something that stuck in my head and kept giving the show a certain allure and air of intrigue when I was a kid. Hell some of the actual monster designs themselves are kinda creepy. The thing from A Night of Fright is No Delight for example.

Weirdly enough the more serious horror/mystery aspects seem to be something the older seasons leaned into. But then Pup came out and suddenly people got it in their heads Scooby was meant to be comedy. Zombie Island almost reversed course but unfortunately....

Also, around the 1980s/1990s was when writers began thinking that Fred, Velma, and Daphne having basic personalities was somehow a bad thing, and thus decided they needed "fleshing out." Which is fine, in theory.... the problem is nobody really had good ideas about what to do with them outside of playing to their already-inferred archetypes. Which actually flattened them rather than fleshing them out.

Like, in the 1960s show you could accept that Fred, Velma, and Daphne were basic teenagers who had mild differences but still got along and had enough in common. They didn't stand out but they were cool, guys you could have a few drinks with.

By Mystery Incorporated (and why is it that its always the highly-regarded elements that I tend to have big issues with?) we had Daphne being such a snob that touching fake leather gives her hives. Yes they literally do this in an episode. And Fred reads a magazine called "Traps Illustrated."

It's almost a Scott Cawthon thing with how there's a distinction between "what a normal person would think" and "what someone heavily involved with this franchise would think."

NORMAL PERSON: Fred makes traps because these crooks are legitimately dangerous and he wants to capture them with minimal risk to himself and his friends.

SCOOBY WRITER: Fred makes traps because he has some bizarre fetish for making traps even when he doesn't need to.

Ironically Shaggy and Scooby legit had more depth in the original 1960s show. They were cowards but they were wily cowards and if their brain saw an opportunity, they would take it. Scooby legit beat up an ape-man... and won.

But I almost don't want to mention that, because you know where that would go if modern writers got their hands on it--suddenly Scooby would be this badass martial artist who never gets scared at all. Which would be just as bad as modern writing where Scooby and Shaggy are often just given any personality trait the plot requires.

It's actually amazing how many opportunities they miss. Like in the Wrestlemania one, they make Shag and Scoob wrestling fans--which further hurts Fred, Velma, and Daphne as they basically never get this sort of personality expansion, while at the same time making the main two feel like blank slates you can graft just anything onto.

Like, here's an idea: What if Velma had been a wrestling fan instead of her whole "too smart for this" shtick? A lot of wrestling fans are nerds, after all. Or like, how about just remember the times Shaggy mentioned that he was on his school's track team or had other athletic accomplishments? How about remember that whole period where Daphne was actually a good detective? How about anything but what WB is doing now?

Legit sometimes I feel like I could make my own Scooby series... but it would just get DMCA'd so why bother.

Also I totally agree that Scrappy hate is old. Honestly I didn't even dislike Scrappy and I think Scrappy hate is one of those things that was astroturfed by the internet. But in general its just retarded to ever say "the fans hate him? Well so do the characters in the show!" Full stop, the characters are not stand-ins for the fans.

 

[Overly Serious]

An entire finished Scooby-Doo movie was leaked on 4chan titled Scooby-Doo! And Krypto, Too! It was previously canceled and written as a tax write-off after the Warner Bros. Discovery merger (or not. Some people say it wasn't and it's slated for release later this year on September 25th according to this and this is an early release of it. But it's not fully known).
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That was a weird film. It was very much in the old Hanna Barbara mold of art and humour. More so than it was more modernised like Mystery Incorporated. Leans towards a younger audience (not that this is a bad thing). But there is a metric tonne of DC in-jokes in this film. I couldn't count them. Like in the Justice League's trophy hall they not only have one of each of the regular colours of power ring there's even the black power ring slyly inserted and throw away jokes like Scooby trying on a red power ring or Shaggy repeatedly firing off Green Arrows arrows with an ever more absurd array of trick arrowheads on them at an almost Animaniacs like pace. One of the arrows, I shit you not, has another bow and arrow for the head. Lex Luthor also has a dog called Rex. Or as Scoob pronounces it: "Rex Ruthor" which is a running gag.

Like I say - younger audiences. But I did like the gag where Lois Lane doesn't recognize Velma when she removes her glasses. I actually didn't pick up on that gag until Clark Kent appeared and it clicked.

Like, in the 1960s show you could accept that Fred, Velma, and Daphne were basic teenagers who had mild differences but still got along and had enough in common. They didn't stand out but they were cool, guys you could have a few drinks with.

By Mystery Incorporated (and why is it that its always the highly-regarded elements that I tend to have big issues with?) we had Daphne being such a snob that touching fake leather gives her hives. Yes they literally do this in an episode. And Fred reads a magazine called "Traps Illustrated."

Well for one, Mystery Incorporated actually had a planned out two season arc so they HAD to have some more depth and character arcs for the team. And for another, Daphne isn't a snob, she is rich from a very rich family. Her parents are snobs - they don't want her dating "that Jones boy" and look down on others. But never, ever does Daphne look down on the team for anything like that. The allergic reaction to fake goods is actually a plot point in that episode because it's how they knew the alligator-skin purse is fake.

And I don't really have a problem with Fred's obsession with traps. The joke about Daphne finding a copy of "Traps Illustrated" down the side of the sofa is hilarious: "Oh Freddy," / "I read it for the articles." Traps are a kind of real thing in the Mystery Incorporated universe. There are clubs about them, text books written on them, pioneers and innovators in the profession. I don't want to give spoilers but there's a good reason that Fred is obsessed with traps.

Also I totally agree that Scrappy hate is old. Honestly I didn't even dislike Scrappy and I think Scrappy hate is one of those things that was astroturfed by the internet. But in general its just retarded to ever say "the fans hate him? Well so do the characters in the show!" Full stop, the characters are not stand-ins for the fans.

Scrappy was an annoying comic-relief character for young kids with all that "p-p-puppy power!" stuff. That's why lots of people hated him. The sudden and unexpected reference to him in Mystery Incorporated cracks me up.

 

[skykiii]

Well for one, Mystery Incorporated actually had a planned out two season arc so they HAD to have some more depth and character arcs for the team.

Like, okay, they had to make a call.... but then I could hold they didn't make the right calls.

Honestly I might give Mystery Inc a second shot, but I remember the characters really bothering me.

And for another, Daphne isn't a snob, she is rich from a very rich family. Her parents are snobs - they don't want her dating "that Jones boy" and look down on others. But never, ever does Daphne look down on the team for anything like that. The allergic reaction to fake goods is actually a plot point in that episode because it's how they knew the alligator-skin purse is fake.

Like, okay, yeah its a plot point.... but why did the method of discovery have to be something so stupid that just further makes Daphne so one-dimensional?

Just doing a quick Google search I found a Wikihow article that points out several ways to distinguish real leather from fake, which could easily be explained in one or two lines of dialogue or even demonstrated onscreen (for example, apparently real leather smells different)... this seems like the kind of clue that a smarter show like Detective Conan, Sherlock Holmes or even older versions of Scooby Doo itself would've used instead of giving Daphne a plot-convenient allergy that just happens to fit in with her rich-folk background.

It would've been more intelligent, and even a bit educational.

Scrappy was an annoying comic-relief character for young kids with all that "p-p-puppy power!" stuff. That's why lots of people hated him. The sudden and unexpected reference to him in Mystery Incorporated cracks me up.

.... And yet they're fine with fucking FLIM FLAM, who is almost unanimously agreed to be worse.

And honestly.... this is supposed to be a museum of hauntings. Why the fuck do they even have models of Flim Flam and Scrappy Doo anyway?

Like seriously, not only is it a dumb jab at a character who isn't even universally hated and younger fans aren't even gonna know who he is anyway, not only does it feel like a waste when you could've, I dunno, set up a story arc around why they chose to never speak of him again.... but the more you think about the circumstances, the less sense they make and you're forced to acknowledge its just a contrived scene.