The Windows OS Thread - Formerly THE OS for gamers and normies, now sadly ruined by Pajeets

[Slav Power]

I mean if you use something like Mint, you practically will never have to touch the commandline.

Assuming your use cases don't exceed the GUI sandbox built by the distro. As soon as you try doing something that wasn't accounted for, it's straight into the command line, AKA the real Linux.

 

[jeff7989]

Try Yast in SUSE if you want to get closest to not touching command line for configuring stuff. For some reason nobody ever mentions it.

Or stick to windows, it's a windows thread after all.

 

[the rat]

At this point, why not just use Windows 7? Win8.1 was a fucking UI/UX nightmare that only got corrected in Win10, and right now Win8.1 is in the same boat as Win7, AKA slowly going down to the bottom of the ocean because the crew abandoned ship.

Windows 7 would also likely have more programs that have newer updates than 8/8.1 as well considering how no one used Wndows 8/8.1 so there was no reason to ever support it for long lmao.

 

[Lone Wandering Courier]

Windows 7 would also likely have more programs that have newer updates than 8/8.1 as well considering how no one used Wndows 8/8.1 so there was no reason to ever support it for long lmao.

Yeah Windows 8/8.1 is in a weird place for gaming because you have DirectX 12 games that work on Windows 7 and 10, but not 8/8.1 because 8/8.1 doesn't have DX12 support at all.

 

[Leaded Gasoline]

I mean if you use something like Mint

have you ever checked the amateur Linux hour thread? or any Linux support forum really

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Linux Mint has the same issues as every other distro

 

[Lunarfag]

Linuxfags stay winning

 

[Never Scored]

If it's not perfect, why is it that Linux users need to say it's superior to Windows in every way in every thread that's not related to Linux? And then downplay any criticism of Linux as something unimportant to keep up the "perfect OS" illusion? At least Windows users aren't ashamed of admitting their OS is shit.

Linux user will bend into a pretzel to turn any criticism of Linux into a good thing, like Wayland being forced on everyone and still having issues, or needing to rely on the command line to do anything when in Windows the command line is complementary and so on.

Windows user will blatantly say that the telemetry is shit, that the UI changes in Win11 are shit, the Settings app is shit, because a Windows user doesn't suffer from Stockholm syndrome where he physically cannot criticize the piece of shit he uses daily.

Chrome OS wins again

 

[the rat]

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I wonder if disabling the Windows Update service does anything?

 

[Slav Power]

Linux Mint has the same issues as every other distro

Yeah I really wish Linuxfags were more honest about their OS, maybe then they wouldn't get so many negative comments made about them. Linux Mint is not a magical solution, Linux as it's core is a monolithic CLI OS and you'll always have to know how to use it at that level, any GUI is just slapped on top of it. But no, install Linux Mint because it's just like Windows, then oh fuck, it's not just like Windows, but it's your fault because you thought it was like Windows and you don't know how to use Linux.

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Weird, I don't remember seeing something like that in a long long time. My latest Windows update just left a little tray icon, never interrupted my work, and only when I chose to shut down the PC because I was going to bed it decided to install it. Skill issue, learn how to use Windows, it's not Windows' fault, it's your fault for being a retard and not knowing how to use Windows and so on. If Linuxfags can use those excuses then so do I.

I wonder if disabling the Windows Update service does anything?

People who bitch and moan about Windows Updates never touched modern Windows or read anything about how to tweak modern Windows. All it takes to stop Windows Update from automatically checking and installing updates is a single group policy. It's not some super esoteric unpatchable thing because for that to be the reality Microsoft would need to completely rewrite the entire OS, but they didn't, so ultimately it's all still based on classic NT rules you can tweak.

 

[X Prime]

Isn't group policy only in versions higher than Home? I imagine that's the issue.

 

[Deadshot Daiquiri]

Linuxfags stay winning

Nice image you copied from this article about an optional notification feature! https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials...pdate-restart-notifications-windows-10-a.html

 

[Lunarfag]

Nice image you copied from this article about an optional notification feature! https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials...pdate-restart-notifications-windows-10-a.html

Even when disabling windows update it will still update your computer whether you like it or not, plus it is an Operating System that allows the NSA and CIA to backdoor it to spy on its userbase. If you use windows you consent to the NSA having every part of your data. That's not even covering Windows 11 which is ten times worse than 10.

 

[Demonslayer1776]

Isn't group policy only in versions higher than Home? I imagine that's the issue.

Yes, but you can generally mimmick those effects with registry keys or third party software. Honestly, unless you really know what you're doing you're better off just using a tool to disable telemetry and bloatware, and then staying up to date. I haven't seen an issue created by Windows updates in ages, but I have seen plenty of cases where software had issues because it expected the Windows install to be fairly current.

There are plenty of problems with windows/ms (3 different teams clients anyone?), but I don't find updates to be one of them these days. It really just seems like people sticking to old habits and advice without checking the current state of affairs.

Windows isn't a fully customizable experience you drive yourself -that's where Linux excels. Windows is a product aimed at consumers and as such you will be at Microsofts whims from time to time. Block the obvious offenders and adopt a philosophy that better aligns with the tool - you will have less of a headache.

 

[419]

Even when disabling windows update it will still update your computer whether you like it or not, plus it is an Operating System that allows the NSA and CIA to backdoor it to spy on its userbase. If you use windows you consent to the NSA having every part of your data. That's not even covering Windows 11 which is ten times worse than 10.

On behalf of the rest of the Linux thread's posters I have to apologise for this retard. It looks like we haven't been sending our best.

 

[Overly Serious]

Try Yast in SUSE if you want to get closest to not touching command line for configuring stuff. For some reason nobody ever mentions it.

That's a blast from the past. I remember using that on SuSE... 6.2? I'm fairly sure it was 6.2. I think that was my first ever Linux system. I still remember buying this big thick white cardboard box from Waterstones (a Bongland chain of book sellers) which had the disc and two bound paper books on how to install and use it! Happy days. I doubt you see it mentioned because I think SuSE in the non-commerical space is almost unusued, isn't it?

If it's not perfect, why is it that Linux users need to say it's superior to Windows in every way in every thread that's not related to Linux? And then downplay any criticism of Linux as something unimportant to keep up the "perfect OS" illusion? At least Windows users aren't ashamed of admitting their OS is shit.

Yeah I really wish Linuxfags were more honest about their OS, maybe then they wouldn't get so many negative comments made about them. Linux Mint is not a magical solution, Linux as it's core is a monolithic CLI OS and you'll always have to know how to use it at that level, any GUI is just slapped on top of it. But no, install Linux Mint because it's just like Windows, then oh fuck, it's not just like Windows, but it's your fault because you thought it was like Windows and you don't know how to use Linux.

Case in point for both of the above, I made the mistake of posting something I thought would be an interesting discussion in the Linux thread - a comparison of Bash and Powershell. Woo boy did that go down badly. Someone in the thread had said how they made a lot of use of the terminal so didn't like Windows because of all the things they couldn't do in it on Windows. Aside from WSL and Cygwin both being things on Windows, I replied and asked what and then, because you know - they call the thread "a thread for autists" and I think it's an interesting topic, I ran up a few simple examples of doing a common task on GNU/Linux (grep'ing through some files recursively) and doing same on Windows in Powershell.

I got multiple replies trying to 'correct' my Bash, every single one of which either made it more complex or (nearly all of them) actually did something different to the given scenario. Pull them up on it and it's 'wah, your post was too long for me to read' or 'being off by a few days isn't important' and another unable to count the number of file system accesses in a short line of their own Bash. Some "autists"!

Not to mention people insisting that grep is a "synthetic" example that isn't realistic. I'd say alongside `find` and `ln` it's one of the most operations I perform via the CLI. So I think @Lone Wandering Courier below is on to something when we're now seeing a generation of Linux users who barely even use the CLI except to occasionally copy-paste some commands. Is GNU/Linux now a style choice for people who want to be "techy"?

Oh, btw, the best was someone who responded to my post about pipelining in Bash vs. Powershell with a link to someone "writing a Minecraft server in Bash" to show how powerful Bash is. The first many paragraphs of the post they linked to is the guy saying how they were blocked because Bash couldn't properly pipeline bytes without screwing them up. You know what Powershell has? An in-built Byte type and the ability to handle WMI byte object types.

It isn't worth my time to debate a hostile crowd that would rather respond to a technical argument with "LOL - you work for a company that uses Microsoft" or insisting that grepping through a filtered list of files is a fake example and not realistic. Sure guys, suggest what you think is a useful Bash example and we can debate it. The guy who said that he couldn't do the same things on Windows due to him needing a terminal, no response.

"Autists". Only in the social sense. Attention to detail or interest in technical discussion - not so much.

Have you considered the possibility that not all linux users are the same nor hold the same viewpoints? I never once said anything positive about Wayland, nor glorified the commandline. I mean if you use something like Mint, you practically will never have to touch the commandline.

I installed Linux Mint Debian Edition and literally the first thing I did was update the system via CLI, clone some repositories and create a bunch of soft links so that I could share a models folder between a ComfyUI and Automatic1111 repositories. But yeah, you said "have to" and I could have done it without CLI. I think GNU/Linux isn't quite there yet in terms of not needing CLI. Nearly, but not yet.

Sadly, as I'm seeing in the Linux thread, a generation of Linux users who don't understand the CLI isn't the achievement we hope. It's really just depressing.

 

[Overly Serious]

So Microsoft's support and sales to Russia ceased yesterday due to EU sanctions. (They call them EU sanctions but it's the US that told EU leaders to do it). So de facto the West has now mandated there be an entire large and developed nation use GNU/Linux as its primary OS, it seems to me.

Can't be a good thing for Microsoft to accelerate GNU/Linux development like that.

 

[Slav Power]

So Microsoft's support and sales to Russia ceased yesterday due to EU sanctions. (They call them EU sanctions but it's the US that told EU leaders to do it). So de facto the West has now mandated there be an entire large and developed nation use GNU/Linux as its primary OS, it seems to me.

Can't be a good thing for Microsoft to accelerate GNU/Linux development like that.

Well if they only did something just now instead of the last two years when Russia was the devil then it's clear that if it was up to MS they'd keep supporting and selling their products in Russia. The C-class execs are probably pissed that those pesky sanctions cut them off from a sizeable market.

Also lol, "let's force this entire country we are at war to switch from proprietary solutions we can spy on them with to FOSS solutions that we can't do the same, because surely that'll stop the war in Ukraine like every other sanction that came before it". Whoever made that decision is a retard from the political standpoint.

 

[jeff7989]

Russians can use pirated copies, what is US gonna do, sanction them more?

 

[Overly Serious]

Well if they only did something just now instead of the last two years when Russia was the devil then it's clear that if it was up to MS they'd keep supporting and selling their products in Russia. The C-class execs are probably pissed that those pesky sanctions cut them off from a sizeable market.

Also lol, "let's force this entire country we are at war to switch from proprietary solutions we can spy on them with to FOSS solutions that we can't do the same, because surely that'll stop the war in Ukraine like every other sanction that came before it". Whoever made that decision is a retard from the political standpoint.

Yes, the usual lack of joined up thinking in TPTP. And I'm quite the top brass at Microsoft would love to keep selling licences to Russian companies though they probably wont say that to their friends at the NSA. Hell, actually the NSA bods would probably like to continue as well for the reasons you say. But I suppose the USA can't make exceptions for that reason openly.

It really is foolish, strategically speaking. Though like @jeff7989 individual Russians and some companies might continue to use pirated versions it's still a significant boost for Russian Linux companies like Astra Linux, especially in government. As we've seen with phones and tablets, MS can't afford to become non-dominant in any sector because the moment they do it becomes a front on which to invade other sectors. And I'd say the same principle applies with whole nations going MS-dry.

At least Russia seems to be largely Debian based rather than RedHat. So I'm a little more in the whoever loses, I win than otherwise!

 

[2ndBest]

have you ever checked the amateur Linux hour thread? or any Linux support forum really

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To be fair Mutter is shit. Everything is shit, even Windows. I’m going back to DOS.