The Windows OS Thread - Formerly THE OS for gamers and normies, now sadly ruined by Pajeets

[The Ugly One]

just because they've been mildly inconvenienced with Windows 11's UI/UX changes

"Windows 11 changed a few things about the UI, I hate this."
So switch to Linux.
"Oh, does it have the same UI that Windows 11 had before the update?"
No, it will introduce even more changes you will need to adapt to.
"Well, do these changes make it easier to use?"
No, GNOME is widely despised for its horrible UI. Also, you'll need to use the command line a lot more.
"But...it doesn't change once it's in, right?"
No, GNOME's UI changes about every six months.
"Well, uh, how does switching to Linux at all fix my original problem, which is that I want to go back to Win 11's original UI?"
Your actual problem is that you aren't using Linux, and Linux fixes the problem of not using Linux.

 

[Slav Power]

"Windows 11 changed a few things about the UI, I hate this."
So switch to Linux.
"Oh, does it have the same UI that Windows 11 had before the update?"
No, it will introduce even more changes you will need to adapt to.
"Well, do these changes make it easier to use?"
No, GNOME is widely despised for its horrible UI. Also, you'll need to use the command line a lot more.
"But...it doesn't change once it's in, right?"
No, GNOME's UI changes about every six months.
"Well, uh, how does switching to Linux at all fix my original problem, which is that I want to go back to Win 11's original UI?"
Your actual problem is that you aren't using Linux, and Linux fixes the problem of not using Linux.

And if constant downplaying all the shortcomings the average user experiences with Linux fails, gaslight them into believing that Linux magically solved the issue of the OS spying on the user and "not respecting the user's freedoms", all in attempts to convince them to stay on Linux.

And then forever wonder why people believe Linux users are cultist lunatics and no one treats Linux seriously, blaming it on everything and everyone but not yourself, 25th Hour style.

 

[ZMOT]

Linux offers zero benefits to that use case and only introduces problems.

read the reply chain what kind of user we were talking about. no one who really interacts with the OS would even know or care. remember the up-and-coming workdrone normalfags don't even know what a file system is (but then plenty of people just save everything in the first open folder or desktop, which leads to it's own mess).
I say that as someone who had to take service calls of "the internet not working" because the icon labeled "internet" wasn't at the exact spot they're used to. when you have to deal with people still stuck on 7 or god beware XP, finally getting them to move you can put them on win11, only to deal with those inevitable issues and then have to do it all over with 12 and whatever comes next (enjoy your new round of forced updates), or linux which looks much closer to what they're used to and be done with it, let alone not having to worry about windows malware and other stupid.
a mac would unironically offer the same advantage, however most are not willing to pay the fruity tax and eventually you're the one who gets blamed for apple's (usually costly) shit anyway.

If you're tired of things just working, switching to GNOME will certainly solve that problem.

it was an example of things keeping the same look and usability. that's what normalfags go with. the are plenty of hoops you'd have to jump through to make windows 11 even look like an older windows. and let's not get into UX, I still have PTSD from having to explain the fucking ribbon over and over. remember it's not just "dumb normalfags", you probably still remember as well as I do the whole drama about windows 8, and that was just a fucking start menu. if only one dude you try to get to switch uses a vertical taskbar for some reason, you already lost (inb4 "just use this 3rd party program" - remember you're the one who gets called when it inevitably breaks after a windows update or try to get it added to the list of approved programs).
also mate isn't wannabe macos gnome, but I assume you already know that (granted, still GTK but since they supported it for the last 13 years I don't see that changing anytime soon). only a real expert like the one below would call mate outdated...

Tell me, in which parallel world you're living in do you expect the average person to install an outdated DE and go though God knows how many other hoops to switch to Linux

I know you have trouble with reading comprehension and real life application, but please explain to me again how a person that only interacts with their computer via specific sets of programs on top the OS in an office environment or work machine at home is somehow at the same time an "average person" who installs his own operating system or DE. protip: they know fuck all about anything to begin with, any issues means calling the IT department, someone in their social circle who "knows stuff" or carry their laptop/desktop into a shop, whether it's windows, linux or macos. the "average person" is often outright using a tablet or phone for that shit and cares more about green or blue bubbles than the actual technology. next you're telling me online services need a specific client OS too...

just because they've been mildly inconvenienced with Windows 11's UI/UX changes while everything else under it works exactly the same that it worked for the past ten to twenty years they've been using Windows?

holy shit I forgot what a little microcuck you are

 

[the rat]

you might as well use linux in that case. if the user is that detached from the operating system it literally makes no difference since he won't know what makes linux "linux" (or windows etc.). this is even made worse by microsoft intentionally fucking with the user experience constantly, so the "it just werks" or "that's what I'm used to" has zero merit even on windows. meanwhile you can still run gnome 2 if you want (or mate at least).

"hello how do i open a program?"
ok so what de are you using?
"de ????? what is that sorry i dont understand uh i am using a linux"
yes ok what linux distribution are you using?
"???? sorry i dont understand i am just using a linux"
ok what does your desktop look like? does it have a bar at the top and dock at the bottom?
"a what now? listen i just want to open a program please"

and then he returns his computer to the store after steam updates and nukes the desktop

holy shit I forgot what a little microcuck you are

But is he wrong? Ignoring the disaster that is Windows 11, for 20 years straight most things have been in the same place and even while they have had their design updated, Microsoft has clearly gone through great pains to make it as simple as possible. Like changing the time for example. Under Windows 7 you right click the clock, click adjust date/time and then click the "change date and time button" in the newly opened window, under Windows 10 you right click the clock and click adjust date/time and then click "Change" under "Set date and time manually" in the newly opened window.

With Linux? Who fucking knows, everything is done differently and sometimes not at all.

People want what is familiar to them, not what they would consider a reinvention of the fucking wheel for no good reason.

"how do i install chrome"
what distro are you using?
"i dont know im using a linux"
ok just type pacman and then apt and tell me if one of them responds with anything other than "bad command"
"ok apt did"
alright now just use apt install to install chrome
"its telling me it cant find chrome"
did you type "apt install google-chrome"
"oh no i typed 'apt install chrome', this is fucking stupid can i have windows back please"

 

[augment]

It would be helpful in these times of mass tech illiteracy to form and to adopt an educational framework for the adoption of microsoft-alternative end user software. Of course it would get shot down faster than gaza glider running across the iron dome, but I'm willing to bet that just as there are countless certified morons making the switch as much of an unbearable hassle as possible, there are also genuinely interested free agents who would love to participate in such initiative.
What I'm getting at is since big tech won't provide this alternative, then the end-users will have to step up.

 

[Betonhaus]

Never underestimate the depth of human stupidity

 

[Slav Power]

But is he wrong?

Yes, I am wrong, because after I've instigated a bunch of retarded slapfights I've earned the reputation of a Windows shill that hates Linux. Disregard any posts I might've made where I criticized Windows 11, those are mere hallucinations.

It would be helpful in these times of mass tech illiteracy to form and to adopt an educational framework for the adoption of microsoft-alternative end user software. Of course it would get shot down faster than gaza glider running across the iron dome, but I'm willing to bet that just as there are countless certified morons making the switch as much of an unbearable hassle as possible, there are also genuinely interested free agents who would love to participate in such initiative.
What I'm getting at is since big tech won't provide this alternative, then the end-users will have to step up.

Sure, but don't start with convincing people to move to Linux. Start with encouraging people trying FOSS alternatives, and most importantly, if the FOSS alternatives are inferior to the general, they won't get adapted no matter how much you encourage them. If there is a bad FOSS alternative, effort needs to be put in to make it good before you start encouraging it.

It has been discussed time and time again that FOSS cannot completely replace corporate software, and people ultimately care about whether or not the software is good before they care about what Stallman preaches about what software should be. And the main way that corporations meddle with desktop Linux is by using the divide et impera doctrine, so people are fighting over which init system Linux should use, which window server it should use and so on. When there isn't a clear cut standard for the core components of the OS, it becomes useless for the majority that'll go for Windows that just works. If Linux community doesn't figure that out, Windows will remain the dominant OS.

 

[Gog & Magog]

oh boy i can't wait for windows 12

 

[The Ugly One]

read the reply chain what kind of user we were talking about. no one who really interacts with the OS would even know or care.

It is nearly impossible to use any desktop Linux distro for any meaningful length of time without interacting with the OS.

I say that as someone who had to take service calls of "the internet not working" because the icon labeled "internet" wasn't at the exact spot they're used to.

How does Linux fix this?

when you have to deal with people still stuck on 7 or god beware XP, finally getting them to move you can put them on win11, only to deal with those inevitable issues and then have to do it all over with 12 and whatever comes next

Why would these people not have issues with successive Linux updates?

or linux which looks much closer to what they're used to and be done with it,

On what planet does any Linux distro look and feel more like the previous version of Windows than the current version of Windows does?

it was an example of things keeping the same look and usability

GNOME in 2024 has changed a lot since 2001, which is when Windows XP came out. Reminder that I've been using Linux in various capacities since 2006. BTW, I just updated to RHEL 9, and I don't know where the fuck anything is. It's completely different from RHEL 7. So no, "just use Linux" does not mean everything stays exactly the same, forever.

Sure, but don't start with convincing people to move to Linux.

The only reason Linux People use Linux is to try to convince people to move to Linux.

 

[Anti Alien Alarm]

How much of a performance difference is there between a Windows server install and a minimal Gentoo or Arch install with a DE? Curious, as many Windows defenders claim of L̶T̶S̶C̶ Windows Server Edition's low CPU and memory requirements as a counterargument to Window's supposed bloat.

Edit: Dumbass moment, fixed.

 

[the rat]

How much of a performance difference is there between a debloated Windows server install and a minimal Gentoo or Arch install with a DE? Curious, as many Windows defenders claim of LTSC edition's low CPU and memory requirements as a counterargument to Window's supposed bloat.

Windows Server (debloated? do you mean just removing the Server configuration program thing???) will probably use as much as Arch (maybe less). Gentoo to my knowledge if done right can get to stupid low memory usage if you're not running a DE (and it'd probably still be far lower than anything else if you use a very light DE).

Not sure about LTSC compared to Server performance though, I'd honestly assume that it's mostly the same. Server might run better but it probably wouldn't be enough to matter.

 

[Leaded Gasoline]

How much of a performance difference is there between a Windows server install and a minimal Gentoo or Arch install with a DE?

It depends on the program and CPU you're using? Last time I did a Windows Vs Linux benchmark it was to get the optimal XMR hashrate and Windows won by about 20%

Windows Server Edition's low CPU and memory requirements

CPU performance is identical between Windows editions and you should just go Linux if you are short on memory


Benchmark the programs that you care about and then decide if it's worth to make the switch, Gentoo only takes a couple of hours to set up on modern systems anyway

 

[Betonhaus]

It depends on the program and CPU you're using? Last time I did a Windows Vs Linux benchmark it was to get the optimal XMR hashrate and Windows won by about 20%

CPU performance is identical between Windows editions and you should just go Linux if you are short on memory


Benchmark the programs that you care about and then decide if it's worth to make the switch, Gentoo only takes a couple of hours to set up on modern systems anyway

Support is a very important aspect. If your company mostly uses Windows and would have difficulty finding Linux support, you might as well use Windows. If you have a support contract for RedHat or Debian, then go ahead and use that. If you know what you're doing and want perfect job security, then roll your own configuration using Arch.

 

[The Noise]

The Linux sperging here is pretty homosexual but the spergs have a point. If you're not already into computers and just use it for normal person stuff like your job then obviously Linux is going to be impractical. It shouldn't be suggested as a drop-in replacement for Windows because it's a vastly different ballgame even with OSes like Ubuntu trying to Windows-ify everything. That being said, Linux shouldn't get hate for being more technical because the whole point is that it offers you greater freedom and control at the expense of accessibility.

Personally I'm going to look into dual booting Windows 10 with Fedora over the summer because fuck me if I'm going to fiddle with an ISO loader just to make sure I don't have to install MS account spyware to even be able to boot into 11. I'll just wait for Windows 12 or whenever they unfuck things.

"Windows 11 changed a few things about the UI, I hate this."
So switch to Linux.
"Oh, does it have the same UI that Windows 11 had before the update?"
No, it will introduce even more changes you will need to adapt to.
"Well, do these changes make it easier to use?"
No, GNOME is widely despised for its horrible UI. Also, you'll need to use the command line a lot more.
"But...it doesn't change once it's in, right?"
No, GNOME's UI changes about every six months.
"Well, uh, how does switching to Linux at all fix my original problem, which is that I want to go back to Win 11's original UI?"
Your actual problem is that you aren't using Linux, and Linux fixes the problem of not using Linux.

If you want a DE that's like traditional Windows then I recommend KDE Plasma. I don't understand why so many distros insist upon GNOME. When the developers for your DE are insisting that dekstop icons are "unintuitive" you know something is terribly wrong. As for Windows itself, you can usually make registry edits to bring back stuff like the old dropdown menu.

 

[Hard Toothbrush]

The Linux thread: talk about Linux things, shill Linux, shit on Windows
The Windows thread: talk about Windows things, shill Linux, shit on Windows

Linux really is like Windows!

 

[Overly Serious]

It would be helpful in these times of mass tech illiteracy to form and to adopt an educational framework for the adoption of microsoft-alternative end user software. Of course it would get shot down faster than gaza glider running across the iron dome, but I'm willing to bet that just as there are countless certified morons making the switch as much of an unbearable hassle as possible, there are also genuinely interested free agents who would love to participate in such initiative.
What I'm getting at is since big tech won't provide this alternative, then the end-users will have to step up.

Amusingly what you describe exists better on Windows than it does on Linux. At least so far as I can tell, I'm not a Windows developer. You have the Windows Package Manager service (Winget being the user-friendly CLI front end to that). You've written some software? Create the YAML manifest file and submit it (which you can do using Winget) and as an "Independent Software Vendor" you can create a standard package, get it signed and central in the Windows repositories or on GitHub. You're not reliant on twenty different distros to choose if they'll each include it or not and if they do, each doing with their own packaging solution and release schedule. And if you're not going via their package managers then you're worrying about supporting build processes on a variety of different platforms - Apt, rpm, Pacman, Yast... And on the receiving end, if you're a company or even a very unusual user, you can securely add or remove stores to a given Windows installation and lock it down really easily.



Windows Package Manager service is far more consistent, much simpler to use. So if you want to make some Microsoft alternative software, you have your killer Outlook replacement, whatever, you can distribute it and do so securely. You can see Thunderbird (and Betterbird) in the screenshot above. You could build and curate your own "free alternatives" store independent of MS if you wanted using this, more easily I think than trying to do the same across a myriad Linux distros.

 

[The Ugly One]

The Linux sperging here is pretty homosexual but the spergs have a point. If you're not already into computers and just use it for normal person stuff like your job then obviously Linux is going to be impractical. It shouldn't be suggested as a drop-in replacement for Windows because it's a vastly different ballgame even with OSes like Ubuntu trying to Windows-ify everything. That being said, Linux shouldn't get hate for being more technical because the whole point is that it offers you greater freedom and control at the expense of accessibility.

The reason we keep bitchslapping the spergs is they keep proposing Linux as a drop-in replacement for Windows when somebody compalins about things like "I don't like the new Start Menu" and "I don't like how they changed the way you adjust the time." They don't have a point.

And, on top of that, they are as bad as Jehovah's Witnesses when it comes to butting in to conversations that have nothing to do with them so they can evangelize. If you have a hemorrhoids thread, they will start posting, "Oh, your asshole hurts? You have a hard time pooping? You should try switching to Linux."

If you want a DE that's like traditional Windows then I recommend KDE Plasma.

I have a DE that's even more like Windows. It's called, "Windows."

Any time I need Linux, I use WSL + Alma 9. In terms of utility, as a development environment, a Windows 11 desktop shits all over Linux + Wine. And I coded exclusively on Linux for about a decade.

 

[Dick Mason]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Windows-10-holds-70-03-market-share-while-Windows-11-continues-to-decline.833344.0.html

Windows 10 holds 70.03% market share, while Windows 11 continues to decline​

We see yet another drop in the latest report, from 26.68% in March to 25.65% in April. That’s 1.03% of the market share dropped, and it seems almost all those users went back to Windows 10.

 

[The Ugly One]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Windows-10-holds-70-03-market-share-while-Windows-11-continues-to-decline.833344.0.html

Windows 10 holds 70.03% market share, while Windows 11 continues to decline​

I don't think killing Windows Subsystem for Android has anything to do with it. Google bitched out hard on WSA, rendering it basically useless out of the gate.

The ads and gay flag probably have way more impact. Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to force everyone's computers to celebrate ass sex and shriek with TDS every day?

 

[Kosher Dill]

That’s 1.03% of the market share dropped, and it seems almost all those users went back to Windows 10.

I absolutely refuse to believe that as many as 1% of the global Windows userbase reinstalled their operating system in a single month. It's more likely that the Win11 users exited the Windows statistics altogether - just bought a Mac, or switched to using their smartphone for everything, or 41%ed themselves. But since the original data only provided percentages, not raw numbers, we can't really say if the absolute Win10 userbase increased, or just its relative share.

Lazy article.