The Windows OS Thread - Formerly THE OS for gamers and normies, now sadly ruined by Pajeets

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Patrick Bait-man said:
There will never be a Year of the Linux Desktop as long as the supreme autists that are Linux / Distro developers can't even decide on a universal way to install shit (even through their dearest terminal) when Windows has had .exe for three decades.

"I would like to install Nigger Blaster 9000."
"We have various installation flavors including DPKG, Flatpak, Pacman, RPM, Snap, and more. We also have additional toppings such as APT, DNF-"
"What the fuck are you talking about."
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Lol software packaging on Windows is atrocious. The closest thing to standard installs on Windows are .msi and .msix but not all applications have them as an option. .exe is not a packaging format, and every .exe you install has a different implementation under the hood. If you ever need to install or uninstall software packaged with a .exe you'd better hope the developers provide good documentation because it is not consistent. You don't realize this when you're clicking install for your personal desktop, you notice it very fast when you're trying to mass deploy to hundreds of machines.

Most of the packaging differences you mentioned for Linux are just different distributions implementations for the same thing, a package manager, and they will not overlap. There are a few unique cases like flat packs that address certain packaging issues, but as a whole software packaging is pretty consistent across a standard Linux distribution. If you run into issues it's usually due to dependencies (more common on a distro like Arch that has frequent changes). Consistent distribution is something Linux has absolutely beaten Windows on.
 
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Demonslayer1776 said:
Most of the packaging differences you mentioned for Linux are just different distributions implementations for the same thing, a package manager, and they will not overlap. There are a few unique cases like flat packs that address certain packaging issues, but as a whole software packaging is pretty consistent across a standard Linux distribution. If you run into issues it's usually due to dependencies (more common on a distro like Arch that has frequent changes). Consistent distribution is something Linux has absolutely beaten Windows on.
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I have installed software on Linux that had a handrolled csh script that called a compiler. It had to be absolutely babied to work. If it's part of the distro, sure, run the package manager, you're good to go. I'm not sure there's really any equivalent on Windows, since Microsoft doesn't distribute a huge glob of applications. Lots of commercial vendors for Linux don't package their software in rpms, though.
 
Wait so if I'm remembering this right: after October, Win10 is kill? Like say, if I want to reinstall it in another SSD for another computer, Win10 is a no-go?
 
WULULULULU said:
Wait so if I'm remembering this right: after October, Win10 is kill? Like say, if I want to reinstall it in another SSD for another computer, Win10 is a no-go?
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No further security updates, and that's it. In time, programs will start dropping support for it too (in fact, some have already done so). There's the LTSC IoT edition that is supported by Microsoft until 2032, but userspace programs are unlikely to care about that.
 
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Max Weber said:
No further security updates, and that's it. In time, programs will start dropping support for it too (in fact, some have already done so). There's the LTSC IoT edition that is supported by Microsoft until 2032, but userspace programs are unlikely to care about that.
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Kiwi autists- put Win10 IoT with no bloat on your grandma's computer and everything will be fine.
 
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The Ugly One said:
I have installed software on Linux that had a handrolled csh script that called a compiler. It had to be absolutely babied to work. If it's part of the distro, sure, run the package manager, you're good to go. I'm not sure there's really any equivalent on Windows, since Microsoft doesn't distribute a huge glob of applications. Lots of commercial vendors for Linux don't package their software in rpms, though.
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Slop will be slop regardless of platform ultimately. Windows suffers from a larger percentage of slop though, with random executables being the default choice for the ecosystem, whereas Linux gravitates towards the package manager as default.

I do hope that Winget catches on more as it's certainly helped clean some things up. I highly doubt the developers failing to package their software as .msi will adopt it tbough.
 
Max Weber said:
No further security updates, and that's it.
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Well, we won't really know what EOL will be like until the time comes. Remember how over-the-top the aggressive MS griefing got in the last days of Windows 7?

Max Weber said:
(in fact, some have already done so)
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Any notable ones? I haven't come across any myself yet, just things that say "supported versions of Windows only".
 
Demonslayer1776 said:
Slop will be slop regardless of platform ultimately. Windows suffers from a larger percentage of slop though, with random executables being the default choice for the ecosystem, whereas Linux gravitates towards the package manager as default.

I do hope that Winget catches on more as it's certainly helped clean some things up. I highly doubt the developers failing to package their software as .msi will adopt it tbough.
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Strangely, I don't want my computer to be turned into a fucking phone where I download shit from a fucking Google Play Store rip off.

Windows does have a silly amount of installation frameworks and that isn't good but the good thing is how the installation experience for the end user is almost always the same. Download a program from the internet, run it, click next and choose installation options if you want, install.

With Linux? Pray your shitty program is on the package manager then find out what that package is called and then pray you have the right repo enabled, or there is dpkg which I like but it's Debian only and it still has to download all its fucking dependencies through the package manager (and the GUI for dpkg doesn't even fucking work properly), or if you're super unlucky, build the entire program yourself. This shit is fractured under Linux more than it is Windows funnily enough and the user experience is almost always shit.

Out of any operating system Android is the only one that has gotten the installation of programs done correctly, sure there is the Google Play Store but you can just completely ignore that gay shit and download a .apk file from a website of your choosing and install the application using Android's own installation framework that merely requires you to tap next while not requiring a fucking internet connection so that it can download fucking dependencies (so like dpkg but if it wasn't shit) and this experience is unified across all Android ROMs.

If you love the mobile way of doing shit why don't you buy a fucking tablet? Since all you probably do is browse the web anyway.

And by the way, fuck all no one is going to use winget besides like 5 system administrators. Good luck convincing normal people to use a stupid fucking terminal program limited in what programs they could get when they could just google the shit they want or what they could get.

Slav Power said:
>Windows thread about Windows
>Linuxfags post in it defending Linux
Every single time.
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No really our shitty Server OS IS better if you just put a hammer to your brain. Anything is possible with brain damage.
 
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GeorgeFloydFentanylStash said:
Can anyone tell me why notepad of all applications now has AI baked into the app? I use it to look through basic logs and jotting down a few notes for work.
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MS has an internal initiative to incorporate AI into as many applications as possible, likely to recoup the high investment into openai. As stupid as putting it into notepad is, it shouldn't really be that surprising after seeing how hard they tried to push something like Windows recall. MS's business model heavily revolves around having a long list of features for a sales document - half baked nd/or unnecessary features are common because it helps their sales team push product. They move slow, but they also aggressively roll out certain features and products if they believe it helps their bottom line.
 
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The Ugly One said:
I'm not sure there's really any equivalent on Windows, since Microsoft doesn't distribute a huge glob of applications.
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An equivalent does exist, and it's called WinGet. It's definitely a hackjob for sure since it's manually maintained via a GitHub repository, but it can still be pretty handy when you're trying to install or even update applications on your computer. It's part of Windows 11, but can be backported to even LTSC versions of Windows 10 pretty easily if you install the App Installer package.

https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli
 
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