The Windows OS Thread - Formerly THE OS for gamers and normies, now sadly ruined by Pajeets

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Windows was hoping that it would catch on in the tablet market like it did the PC market 20 years earlier and flopped.
There was a few years where every laptop had a fucking touchscreen because everyone, retards in marketing mainly, thought tablets were the future and we'd all be using them as glorified terminals. I used the touchscreen on my laptop once, saw how dirty it made it, and never used it again. And who can forget the fucking, "wHaT's A cOmPuTeR?" commercial with that retarded goblina?

Fuck you, youtube. I'll make it a local archive then!

 
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There was a few years where every laptop had a fucking touchscreen because everyone, retards in marketing mainly, thought tablets were the future and we'd all be using them as glorified terminals. I used the touchscreen on my laptop once, saw how dirty it made it, and never used it again. And who can forget the fucking, "wHaT's A cOmPuTeR?" commercial with that retarded goblina?
I have a laptop like that. I thought it was a great idea. I use the touch screen every couple months when I remember it has one, then remember I don't actually care.
 
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Any love for Windows 8.1 here?
For a time there might have been a point in using Windows 8.1: you can avoid Windows 10 but still use a version MS supports with (security) patches. Ever since official MS support for Windows 8.1 ended there's absolutely no good reason to use it.

worse application support and driver support
I wonder how much of that was entirely artificial. I remember that, for example, some versions of Nvidia GPU drivers refuse to work with certain newer cards/chips on 8.1 that they do work with in 7, however if you hack the driver to bypass some OS version checks in it then everything seems to work fine. It might even have been that the professional Quadro variations of those same chips would have been officially supported in 8.1 by the driver.
 
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windows 8 hate was always overblown, it really came down to the fullscreen start menu which was what people saw right at the start.

I bothered to try Windows 8 (not 8.1) about a year ago and honestly I disagree regarding the hate being overblown. Here are two of my personal favorite WTF moments:
  1. To access the all apps section on the start screen you have to right click then click the all apps button. At no point is it ever explained to you how to do this, there is nothing that really signifies that "hey you can do this".
  2. The charms bar that on my laptop kept fucking opening from me swiping on the trackpad and I could not for the fucking life of me figure out how to disable that stupid gesture.
There are a lot of other just small things like the hidden title bar in UWP applications and the small desktop tile you're expected to use to return to the desktop (AND WINDOWS 8 WENT DIRECTLY TO THE FUCKING START SCREEN ON LOGIN BY DEFAULT).

Windows 8 is just not intuitive and can get understandably confusing especially when you are coming from Windows 7 considering there is just no fucking way for you to discover how to do shit naturally without hitting every button and moving your mouse to every corner of the screen or memorizing that one pop-up tip you get after the first login (and that is a very frustrating form of discovery), BTW! Being able to memorize all this stupid shit does not automatically make it good.

The hate for Windows 8 is fucking justified IMO. Not much faster than Windows 7 really while introducing a supremely inferior UX and no new really interesting features for most users besides software rendering for DWM shit (too bad they got rid of the glass effects :)).

Horrible UX, horrible OS. Just is.
 
windows 8 hate was always overblown, it really came down to the fullscreen start menu which was what people saw right at the start.
It made my desktop computer have a tablet UI.

Imagine a MacOS update to turn it into iPadOS and oh yeah don't worry you can still go into the desktop ghetto to launch legacy MacOS applications. But we'll only accept iPad applications from now on, all that old stuff is going away. Please buy a touchscreen craptop.
 
The former head of Windows development, Steve Sinofsky, gave an interview on Windows 8 a few years back. Interesting bits:

Ars: How has your opinion of Windows 8 evolved or changed over the past 10 years?

Sinofsky: First, so much of the feedback about Windows 8 focused on removal of the Start menu—the literal menu—which we knew at the time had reached its functional limits. So in many ways, I think the feedback overplayed the role of the Start menu much the same way the early Windows critics overplayed the removal of "C:\>" from the core experience. Yet, of course, like the early Windows, we had affordances to keep that around (the desktop in Windows 8).

Second, 90 percent (that's a rhetorical stat) of computing is now done via grids of apps, launched by touch, filling a screen. Mobile browsing dominates desktop browsing, and overall screen time on mobile vastly outpaces desktop. Desktop computing is on a decline. That assumes desktops are used at all, and for a few billion people, they will never see desktop computers as traditionally envisioned.

So in that way, I think we tried to bring Windows to the natural next step of computing. Our vision for doing that was just too much and too soon, and as a result Windows ended up not moving forward and today retains its secure position—though that is in a shrinking desktop world, one also challenged by Mac much more so in 2022 than it was in 2012.

It's comments like these that make me wonder if the dude ever actually used his own OS and what a miserable pile of shit UWP apps were, and continue, to be.

Anyways the tl;dr is that they wanted to get the next billion Indians online, Indians only ever use smartphones, and so they "converged" everything into a smartphone.
 
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So in that way, I think we tried to bring Windows to the natural next step of computing. Our vision for doing that was just too much and too soon, and as a result Windows ended up not moving forward and today retains its secure position—though that is in a shrinking desktop world, one also challenged by Mac much more so in 2022 than it was in 2012.
1. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY USE TOUCH SCREENS ON WINDOWS ARE TEACHERS WHO ONLY USE IT WHEN USING CUSTOM NOTE TAKING SOFTWARE AND ARTISTS WHO USUALLY USE DRAWING TABLETS.
2. NO ONE USES WINDOWS ON A FUCKING PHONE. NO ONE.

I use a fucking mouse and keyboard like every other Windows user. I do not want to have to drag my mouse to every corner to show hidden buttons, mash every button there is until a popup menu comes up with the "show list of all programs" button, click a tiny fucking tile that just has my background on it to go to the fucking desktop, be enraged every time i swipe on my trackpad because it opened the charms bar for the thousandth fucking time, expect to remember that i need to put my mouse in the fucking bottom left corner just to access the start screen (the only time you are told you can do this is when you login for the first time and it shows you a popup).

Anyways the tl;dr is that they wanted to get the next billion Indians online, Indians only ever use smartphones, and so they "converged" everything into a smartphone.
For once, no. Windows 8 was made because those retards really wanted IN on mobile (and touch the moment iPhone and iPad in particular really took off) based computing because they rightfully saw portable computing as being a very lucrative market and the dream of having their Windows operating system being used for both mobile computers and desktops without having the user experience and application development be so vastly different was probably a massive wet dream for them. This isn't to do with India, you're thinking of 2018 and beyond.

One operating system, one development platform, one experience, one store, multiple devices.
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(Just imagine it says Windows 8 instead)
 
It's comments like these that make me wonder if the dude ever actually used his own OS and what a miserable pile of shit UWP apps were, and continue, to be.
It's such a stupid way to think.

Do you see Intel or AMD saying, "mobile is now dwarfing desktop computing, so we're going to make our desktop CPUs weird, shitty hybrids of desktop and mobile technology"? No.

Do you see Sublime or Vim changing to be more like a mobile app? No.
 
Run this command in PowerShell:
(Get-Process|Select-Object -ExpandProperty Threads).Count

That's why E-cores exist. Has little to do with running iOS.

P/E cores are a direct copy of ARM's big.LITTLE

Intel copied them because macbooks have made it so modern laptops are expected to be 3mm thin, not get hot, have no fan running most of the time, and still be fast. Which in turn came from their phone tech.
 
P/E cores are a direct copy of ARM's big.LITTLE

Wait until you find out just how many desktop CPU technologies were originally developed for mainframes, database servers and supercomputers. It's pretty much everything from multicore CPUs to SIMD instructions to 3D V-Cache.

Intel copied them because macbooks have made it so modern laptops are expected to be 3mm thin, not get hot, have no fan running most of the time, and still be fast. Which in turn came from their phone tech.

Intel copied them because the modern operating environment has thousands of active threads, and E-cores ingest threads more quickly on both a per-area and per-watt basis than P-cores. Great for laptops, too, where battery life reigns supreme.

Really has nothing to do with swiping right on a hookup app, which is why hybrid designs are everywhere now except servers.
 
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