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I have an Intel 7700k. This was the processor Microsoft technically said couldn't run Windows 11.

Are there instruction sets that will cause crashes if I put Win11 IoT on it?
 
I have an Intel 7700k. This was the processor Microsoft technically said couldn't run Windows 11.

Are there instruction sets that will cause crashes if I put Win11 IoT on it?
This is probably the best case for running Windows 11 unsupported, Intel reused the same core design from 6th gen to 10th gen because they failed to get a new process node going. Unless of course they start mandating a TPM being present.
 
I have an Intel 7700k. This was the processor Microsoft technically said couldn't run Windows 11.

Are there instruction sets that will cause crashes if I put Win11 IoT on it?
just make the jump to linux, in a few months you will ask yourself why you dindt do it earlier
 
I have an Intel 7700k. This was the processor Microsoft technically said couldn't run Windows 11.

Are there instruction sets that will cause crashes if I put Win11 IoT on it?
The 8th gen requirement is for TPM 2.0's sake so you should be fine in terms of instruction sets.
just make the jump to linux, in a few months you will ask yourself why you dindt do it earlier
More like "in a few days you will remember why you didn't do it earlier".

He wasn't asking for Windows alternatives btw so gj proving the point discussed earlier ITT about Linux cultists.
 
What's with the people running IoT LTSC? I get the LTSC part, but the IoT is what gets me. Is this the new N option with shit stripped out?
 
What's with the people running IoT LTSC? I get the LTSC part, but the IoT is what gets me. Is this the new N option with shit stripped out?
Basically yeah. Windows on a machine that counts money or does things not related to normal computers doesn't need microsoft store or some other windows related software, so out of the box IoT LTSC comes with basically nothing outside of really essential system features, people have touted it as the "debloated windows" solution for a while now.
 
What's with the people running IoT LTSC? I get the LTSC part, but the IoT is what gets me. Is this the new N option with shit stripped out?
You get security patches for longer on the IoT versions, as well as more lenient requirements for W11 versions.
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And yes, IoT is also lighter since it's meant for shit like McDonald's kiosks which have barely enough juice to do what they're meant to do. In a way it's the modern equivalent of Windows 2000: a barebones workstation OS that's only meant to be the launchpad for the software that you want to use. Which is what you want your OS to be.
 
Jolly, I should visit this website more to spread Windows gospel.

I wouldn't even consider IoT to be the best case scenario. There's still a lot on it that is not ideal. However, if Microsoft were still targeting shitty 32-bit ARM SoC's, we might have had as something as good as Windows 8.1 Embedded was for memory & CPU usage.

Honestly guys, take a solid look at Windows Server 2022 / Windows Server 2025. There's the caveat that some manufacturers like AMD purposefully segment consumer hardware from working on server editions, but Nvidia consumer cards work fine with consumer drivers. If you don't mind that kind of offroading with chipset drivers and whatnot, this is the most comfy scenario. Running Windows Server 2022 for me has been my most stable Windows experience as of yet, and my lineage goes from AME 20H2 custom ISO -> Atlas 21H2 custom ISO -> Windows 10 21H2 IoT Enterprise LTSC -> current.

You get more control over what Windows Defender does, and the defaults are superior still. And, the support is just as good as IoT Enterprise LTSC.

Keep in mind also for all of you, how many of you actually plan to stick it out with IoT Enterprise LTSC editions for that long? In this age where massgrave.dev exists, and knowledge surrounding Windows modification / debloating is no longer in the dark ages, being mobile between Windows 10, 11 and beyond is easier than before. I would be comfortable today running Windows 11, now that things have settled down and I've researched how to manhandle it just as well.

My needs for Windows have developed such that I'm less comfortable with custom ISOs now that I'm actually employed and need as little bullshit as possible. This may seem counter-intuitive, but if I need a Windows feature installed or job requires new software that a custom ISO can't do like some virtualization feature, keeping up to date with third party developer tools that have moving Windows requirements, etc., this is required.

My recommendations:
* If you have a rather static computer and set of needs, and 100% know what you want on a machine for example, an HTPC, I'd still recommend one of the custom ISOs from back before Atlas & others got trannified and got cold feet from hosting actual ISOs instead of moving to modification scripts. Or Linux, but this is a Windows thread. I'd also recommend these types of ISOs for Windows testing virtual machines. There's another thing called nano11 which bears looking into for small testing ISOs.
* If you have a real job, stay on as recent Windows as reasonably possible. For example, staying on Windows 10 21H2 was reasonable until Windows 11 23H2 (depending on your hardware needs), or 24H2 LTSC (preferable). Now, staying on 24H2 would be the preferable option to 25H2, and maybe a version after that as well.
* You absolutely do not need Windows Defender, get rid of it. Don't be a boomer and click on random shit, and you won't have issues. I've been doing this for a decade with highly sensitive information, you will be OK. Most people here probably on the same page but you'll never know when you run into one of those retards. To disable it, you can boot into a recovery command prompt, mount the registry hive of Windows, find the Windows Defender services, and set startup to disabled (0x4). Namely, WdBoot, WdFilter, and others. Alternatively, you can boot into Linux and navigate to system32\drivers and delete the appropriate files. Unless I write up a full guide, you should probably just opt for keeping it around, unless you know what you are doing. Also exclusion folders don't work for saving disk IOPS speed in my experience.

Edit: Turn off animations and a few other things if you're worried about upgrading to Windows 11 and it feeling like dogshit. Then you can worry normally about your applications performing like shit without getting the visual cue of Windows being slow. As was the case in Windows 10, to be honest.
 
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Yet another round of fear mongering of Microsoft FORCING you to use MS Account to use Windows 11 NO MATTER WHAT.
Sick and tired of it so I've decided to grab the latest Dev and Canary ISO's and try to install Windows 11 Pro. Both behave the same way:
-oobe/bypassnro doesn't work
-start ms-cxh:localonly still opens up, closing it without going through it restarts the OOBE installer.
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Now the main test: did Microsoft actually, finally forced everyone to use a Microsoft account with absolutely no other way to use their OS?

The answer is NO! Again, the only version of Windows 11 that is affected by these changes is Windows 11 Home! But absolutely no news article, no YouTube video, not even Chris Titus who unfucks Windows for a living, absolutely no one seems to care to make this very important clarification that Microsoft is closing own only on Windows 11 Home versions! Consider me fucking shocked, could not see that one coming! People? Blatantly omitting details in a Windows news story to make it look way worse than it actually is, just so that people hate click articles and videos? Can't be!

>b-but pro costs more
Just pirate it! If you're tech savvy enough to install Windows or Linux, you're tech savvy enough to find out about Microsoft Activation Scripts and use them! Legality be damned, Microsoft doesn't give a shit and allows MAS to be #1 PowerShell project on GitHub, and according to some rumors, they use it internally in Redmond! And if you get used business laptops, guess what, they already had Windows Pro license keys on them, so you'll be able to make your local account no problem!
>b-but muh company legality
Then either suck it up or switch to Linux! You can't? Well, too fucking bad, you'll have to pay either way! And guess what? You won't be paying for Home licenses so these restrictions don't affect you, you can still make local domain accounts! Microsoft didn't take that away from you! And if you're not the one paying for the software and hardware, why would you care? Hell, if your employer is going to be selling old business hardware for cheap because of 11's arbitrary restrictions, consider yourself lucky! Grab a nice laptop to tinker with!
>b-but you still need interwebz to install it
You know what also needs an active Internet connection to be installed? Most Linux distros like Debian and Arch! But they give you the option to install it offline you say? Well do you use that option? Or do you use the online installer? Oh, you use the online installer? So you're perfectly fine with that requirement after all, it's a non-issue in 99.9% of modern day scenarios, who would've thought!

At this point you might as well just make up blatant lies about Microsoft and Windows and people will gladly eat it up. Fuck it, let's start a rumor that Windows actively sends all of your local files to Microsoft even though you could easily verify it's a load of bullshit and you'll have all the big media outlets openly presenting it as truth. This is the current state of Windows, people don't care to verify anything and overblow any negative news to cosmic proportions to the point they'll believe in lies as well.
 
Windows actively sends all of your local files to Microsoft even though you could easily verify it's a load of bullshit and you'll have all the big media outlets openly presenting it as truth
them Copilot doe...
Massgrave is such a fucking saint and God bless their cotton socks, i activated windows and office for a acquaintance of mine using MAS scripts and it just worked.
 
The answer is NO! Again, the only version of Windows 11 that is affected by these changes is Windows 11 Home! But absolutely no news article, no YouTube video, not even Chris Titus who unfucks Windows for a living, absolutely no one seems to care to make this very important clarification that Microsoft is closing own only on Windows 11 Home versions! Consider me fucking shocked, could not see that one coming! People? Blatantly omitting details in a Windows news story to make it look way worse than it actually is, just so that people hate click articles and videos? Can't be!

>b-but pro costs more
Just pirate it! If you're tech savvy enough to install Windows or Linux, you're tech savvy enough to find out about Microsoft Activation Scripts and use them! Legality be damned, Microsoft doesn't give a shit and allows MAS to be #1 PowerShell project on GitHub, and according to some rumors, they use it internally in Redmond! And if you get used business laptops, guess what, they already had Windows Pro license keys on them, so you'll be able to make your local account no problem!
>b-but muh company legality
Then either suck it up or switch to Linux! You can't? Well, too fucking bad, you'll have to pay either way! And guess what? You won't be paying for Home licenses so these restrictions don't affect you, you can still make local domain accounts! Microsoft didn't take that away from you! And if you're not the one paying for the software and hardware, why would you care? Hell, if your employer is going to be selling old business hardware for cheap because of 11's arbitrary restrictions, consider yourself lucky! Grab a nice laptop to tinker with!
>b-but you still need interwebz to install it
You know what also needs an active Internet connection to be installed? Most Linux distros like Debian and Arch! But they give you the option to install it offline you say? Well do you use that option? Or do you use the online installer? Oh, you use the online installer? So you're perfectly fine with that requirement after all, it's a non-issue in 99.9% of modern day scenarios, who would've thought!

At this point you might as well just make up blatant lies about Microsoft and Windows and people will gladly eat it up. Fuck it, let's start a rumor that Windows actively sends all of your local files to Microsoft even though you could easily verify it's a load of bullshit and you'll have all the big media outlets openly presenting it as truth. This is the current state of Windows, people don't care to verify anything and overblow any negative news to cosmic proportions to the point they'll believe in lies as well.
For the vast majority of Windows users, Windows Home is the only version that exists. You could point blank tell them that Windows Pro will let them bypass it and they wouldn't even know where to begin to switch.
 
For the vast majority of Windows users, Windows Home is the only version that exists. You could point blank tell them that Windows Pro will let them bypass it and they wouldn't even know where to begin to switch.
And? That's the only thing they care about, convenience. They won't think twice. Rarely is there ever a person who sits there and says "there must be something I can do to get around this", that person is likely to search for methods that let them bypass these changes. You need to guide people when they want it, not if they want it.
 
For the vast majority of Windows users, Windows Home is the only version that exists. You could point blank tell them that Windows Pro will let them bypass it and they wouldn't even know where to begin to switch.
I told a friend of mine about the stuff you can control with a Pro license and he still went out and got a Home license and asked me ‘Why can’t I control this stuff?’ And this guy buys Pro model iPhones just to be able to say he has the best one.
 
Still on Windows 7, and it still works fine for everything I need to do on a computer. Why upgrade?
I didn't say anything about the Windows 7 / 8.1 holdouts. If you are one of those people, the more power to you. However for those already on Windows 10, I can help remove some moving goalpost bikeshedding between Windows 10 and 11.

In the interest of wasting as little time of a user as possible, the current best compromise is a matrix of what I suggested rather than mapping the remaining navigable waters of Windows 7 / 8.1 application support and software alternatives.
 
>Ubuntu
>GNOME

I mean, if you want Windows users to despise Linux, please do recommend this steaming pile of horseshit.

Hard disagree on that.
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This was the pinnacle of desktop operating systems.
It only got worse from there. :(
Agreed, 2000 was the last no bullshit Windows, then the rot started to creep already in XP (some might say ME, but who seriously used that one anyway?). Rock solid and fast OS for a Windows.
If I could still reasonably use 2000 in a modern setting, I would.
 
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