The Windows OS Thread - Formerly THE OS for gamers and normies, now sadly ruined by Pajeets

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CyberAutist111 said:
I don't buy how tech people say the older Windows operating systems like XP and 7 are going to get you haxxed like crazy if you use them. The likelihood is low as long as you aren't being a moron.

I remember Mutahar making a video about how connecting a XP computer to the net will get instantly hacked.
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The claim that an outdated (fresh install) Windows XP or other Windows OS will get hacked almost as soon as it is connected to the internet is 20 years old, and was very literally true. This is because in the young internet, there was plenty of IPv4 address space to allocate to devices connecting to the internet, so your machine was an actual peer and packets to it would be directly routed from basically any other machine on the internet, exposing all the vulnerabilities of your freshly installed XP.

I don't know who this Mutahar nigger is, but even today when you're safely niggercattlehoused behind a NAT, your outdated operating system will still be compromised after just a short jaunt of clicking around Russian domains on an old browser.
 
cigint said:
The claim that an outdated (fresh install) Windows XP or other Windows OS will get hacked almost as soon as it is connected to the internet is 20 years old, and was very literally true.
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Ah, so it is true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uSVVCmOH5w
(Video is by Eric Parker)

Well, that stinks. If I had the ability to dumb sticker myself, I would.
 
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Sure is nice being in that time of day where the Poles are safely asleep.
cigint said:
The claim that an outdated (fresh install) Windows XP or other Windows OS will get hacked almost as soon as it is connected to the internet is 20 years old, and was very literally true. This is because in the young internet, there was plenty of IPv4 address space to allocate to devices connecting to the internet, so your machine was an actual peer and packets to it would be directly routed from basically any other machine on the internet, exposing all the vulnerabilities of your freshly installed XP.
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I'm old enough to remember my network topology 20 years ago, and even then it was still behind a NAT. Was this true for dial-up? Cable modems at the time ran DHCP servers to allocate NAT addresses just like today.

I do have a distinct memory of setting up an older Pentium II laptop in literally 2005 with Windows 2000 and watching it get instantly infected. I had to get SP4 onto it offline in an era where USB drives were not yet common and this thing didn't have a CD drive. I must have ended up using a parallel port connected ZIP drive.

What difference would Windows 2000 make? Not sure, no firewall built in for sure and maybe there was something else on my LAN that was infected.
 
FishStomper88 said:
I'm over at my fathers house trying to fix his PC, he said it restarted and all his files were gone. I checked the C drive and found that they are still there, its just that he his stuck in a temp account loop. I've tried this tutorial ( https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/48012-fix-youve-been-signed-temporary-profile-windows-10-a.html ) but nothing seems to be working, do any of you know how I can get his desktop back with all the original files? TIA
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His profile is probably corrupted. Its rare and severe enough that I would just back up his files and reinstall, but that might be tough for a boomer, since encrypted browser passwords are often a lifeline for them.
If you want to fully fix this you are likely going to have to get your hands dirty and do some digging for this particular instance. There are some solutions online and you will need to edit the registry. There is also no guarantee it will solve your specific issue, since there can be variation in these types of problems.

Back up all of his files, since there's a good chance you may not be able to fix this, look up some guides for recovering corrupted profiles, and be ready to reinstall if you can't get it working again.
 
Baraka Obama said:
I'm old enough to remember my network topology 20 years ago, and even then it was still behind a NAT. Was this true for dial-up? Cable modems at the time ran DHCP servers to allocate NAT addresses just like today.
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Dial-up was generally direct connection. Back in the day, my father got tired of me jumping on his computer to access the WWW, and set up dedicated proxy server with the modem connected so we could both use it from our respective computers. We were running coaxial cable between the three computers since that was cheaper than hubs then. Switches were even more expensive. Later on he purchased a dedicated 56k modem router that had built-in switch or hub. But that would have still been pretty rare for home use. It was a small business type device.
 
cigint said:
even today when you're safely niggercattlehoused behind a NAT, your outdated operating system will still be compromised after just a short jaunt of clicking around Russian domains on an old browser.
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Memory escapes and degraded crypto will render browsing very unsafe unless you use something like Virtual PC to make a sandbox, but behind your NAT and using proper network and host firewalls you are safe from just getting a random drive-by pwning.

I had a job where I had to help a MAJOR NATIONAL LAB (it was a fucking disgrace) secure their windows XP machines because they were integral parts of a $10 million piece of equipment and their lab managers refused to drive in to check their batches.
We worked out two solutions. In the main office we basically just created a CURRENT VERSION Windows jumpbox. with two nics. You would RDP into the Jumpbox and then RDP into the machine that ran the instrument. If you needed to move files on/off, you moved them to the jumpbox first.

One of the branch labs we used, basically, an IP-enabled KVM, I don't even remember the manufacturer. Like imagine a BYO iDRAC. So you connect to the KVM and then pass commands to the instrument. Those ones didn't need to move data to the network, and what data movement was done they did via USB.


Baraka Obama said:
I'm old enough to remember my network topology 20 years ago, and even then it was still behind a NAT. Was this true for dial-up?
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All except for late-stage dial up, no. You would have gotten a public IP.

Baraka Obama said:
I do have a distinct memory of setting up an older Pentium II laptop in literally 2005 with Windows 2000 and watching it get instantly infected. I had to get SP4 onto it offline in an era where USB drives were not yet common and this thing didn't have a CD drive. I must have ended up using a parallel port connected ZIP drive.

What difference would Windows 2000 make? Not sure, no firewall built in for sure and maybe there was something else on my LAN that was infected.
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I never had these problems because my friend got me into Wifi very early, so Windows ICS - which behaved like a firewall (at least as far as russian script kiddies were concerned). We also were constantly trying to use CDC's BackOriface to hack each other, and so I got NoBo which was basically an early hostfirewall, and was able to use that information in the logs to counter-hack my friends.

Early home networking gear basically treated everything behind it like it was the DMZ, so may have been of extremely limited defensive utility.

Anything pre-XP has the general issue of lack of OS integrated firewall and "Refuse unless listener present" or atleast "local subnet traffic only" defaults. Post XP also has that problem but its solvable before you get on the internet, though now the lack of modern cryptography is a bigger issue unless you internal-only.
 
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Demonslayer1776 said:
His profile is probably corrupted. Its rare and severe enough that I would just back up his files and reinstall, but that might be tough for a boomer, since encrypted browser passwords are often a lifeline for them.
If you want to fully fix this you are likely going to have to get your hands dirty and do some digging for this particular instance. There are some solutions online and you will need to edit the registry. There is also no guarantee it will solve your specific issue, since there can be variation in these types of problems.

Back up all of his files, since there's a good chance you may not be able to fix this, look up some guides for recovering corrupted profiles, and be ready to reinstall if you can't get it working again.
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Will do, I’ve already done the regedit but it’s still stuck in the loop, going to do what you suggested and just back up his files and reinstall. I appreciate your reply!
 
The Ugly One said:
You are far too smart to say something this stupid. There's nothing dishonest whatsoever about responding to the claim that nobody cares about certain software by pointing out that it's quite literally the most popular software on the planet. So I can only conclude that pointing out the objective facts about the massive gaps in gaming support on Linux has hit some kind of emotional sensitive point, because now you're just coping and seething.
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You're consistent, I'll give you that. I don't get it though- You spend a lot of time and energy self-validating for a platform you hate.

Since I don't play multiplayer slop games intended for mass consooooompution, I'm just over here trying to have fun playing the games I enjoy on a platform that works well for me.
 
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MinecraftPissBalzz said:
Well i have done it, tried to upgrade to a 2 Tb ssd. Cloned my 1tb. Booted up. Windows said nah you dont have or a broken EFI file.
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What I always prefer doing when cloning windows, provided I have a big enough external SSD/HDD (about as big as the original drive), is use DISM to make an image of the old drive and then deploy it to the new drive. It has not ever failed me yet.

However, you need to mess around with console commands like you're on linux and you need to be careful. The basic idea is:
- first create a bootable WinPE usb stick: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/winpe-intro?view=windows-11
- clone your old drive with DISM using WinPE: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/what-is-dism?view=windows-11
- then, on the new drive, create the required UEFI system partitions with DISKPART (it's pretty easy, you just use a standard script): https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/p...s/it-pro/windows-8.1-and-8/hh825686(v=win.10)
- then you just use DISM again to deploy the cloned image

WARNING: You do need to be extra careful with DISKPART not to accidentally destroy the partition info on the wrong drive. To play it safe, unless you really know what you're doing, it's best you unplug other drives that have your data before running any DISKPART commands that might wipe your drive. Just clone old drive with DISM, shut down, unplug all drives and only plug in the new drive, WinPE bootable usb and external drive that has the cloned image, turn it back on and deploy on the new drive.
 
I managed to clone my OS with Macrium Reflect while it was running just fine. Granted, some NTFS permissions got scuffed due to the user UUID's changing a little, but it wasn't a big deal. Another "big deal" I haven't realized is that in this transition shadow copies/restore points were disabled, but at the same time it's been a damn good while since I had to use them so no harm done.
 
long waters said:
What I always prefer doing when cloning windows, provided I have a big enough external SSD/HDD (about as big as the original drive), is use DISM to make an image of the old drive and then deploy it to the new drive. It has not ever failed me yet.

However, you need to mess around with console commands like you're on linux and you need to be careful. The basic idea is:
- first create a bootable WinPE usb stick: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/winpe-intro?view=windows-11
- clone your old drive with DISM using WinPE: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/what-is-dism?view=windows-11
- then, on the new drive, create the required UEFI system partitions with DISKPART (it's pretty easy, you just use a standard script): https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/p...s/it-pro/windows-8.1-and-8/hh825686(v=win.10)
- then you just use DISM again to deploy the cloned image

WARNING: You do need to be extra careful with DISKPART not to accidentally destroy the partition info on the wrong drive. To play it safe, unless you really know what you're doing, it's best you unplug other drives that have your data before running any DISKPART commands that might wipe your drive. Just clone old drive with DISM, shut down, unplug all drives and only plug in the new drive, WinPE bootable usb and external drive that has the cloned image, turn it back on and deploy on the new drive.
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I fixed it by going command terminal and doing diskpart things, followed a youtube video lel but now some of my files are dead but hey i got my pc back
 
⚞⛇⚟ said:
I might have been unclear with my wording earlier, but what I want to do is move these two shortcuts into a folder.
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While that creates new shortcuts, it still leaves the old shortcuts in the start menu.
If I could get rid of the shortcuts that are stuck on the start menu, then I could place the new shortcuts that you suggested in the folder that I want, which would work.
I do not want to use a third-party start menu.
Does anyone know how to do that?
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I've been attempting to hide these icons again, and I've discovered that both "Settings" and "Windows Security" are UWP apps. Apparently, UWP apps can be hidden by adding AppListEntry="none" to appxmanifest.xml under the uap:VisualElements section. So I tried this and...
It didn't work.
I even went as far as to delete the directory that the program was located in, but the shortcut, albeit nonfunctional, still remained on the start menu.
Does anyone know how I can tard wrangle UWP apps and force them to not display their shortcuts on the start menu?
 
Moist Boys said:
You're consistent, I'll give you that. I don't get it though- You spend a lot of time and energy self-validating for a platform you hate.
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Have you read my posts? I hate everything, including the things I like.

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More seriously, I don't discuss market & technology trends in terms of my own personal preferences, because what I, personally, like is irrelevant, as is what you, personally like. When somebody says something objectively wrong about the market, or makes a ludicrous prediction, that's what I argue with. It doesn't matter how much you or I like Linux; what matters when talking about business trends is what the millions and millions of people out there spending money like.

People love to predict Valve is about to break Microsoft's hold on the home PC market with a gaming machine that can't run the most popular games. That's not a statement of personal preference. That's a prediction about the market. Any game machine that can't play Helldivers II, Battlefield 6, Roblox, Rocket League, Fortnite, and other top games will never break out of a niche. If you only run niche software, you only get a niche market. Responding that those games are "slop" doesn't change anything about the marketplace realities.
 
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The Ugly One said:
If you only run niche software, you only get a niche market. Responding that those games are "slop" doesn't change anything about the marketplace realities.
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It was assumed that the discussion revolved around the usability of Linux as a gaming OS in general, and besides the anti-cheat games, it handles most of the PC library rather well.

Yes, I agree that the Steam Machine won't make a big breakthrough and the only reason people glorify it is because it runs on Linux, so you have to overreact and overstate everything while insulting anyone trying to tell you to be real. But still, it'll do well for anything that doesn't run anti-cheat, and that's something you can't quantify with statistics numbers. It'll probably do as well as the Deck, which will be good enough.
 
Slav Power said:
It was assumed that the discussion revolved around the usability of Linux as a gaming OS in general, and besides the anti-cheat games, it handles most of the PC library rather well.
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Linux also runs, by count, the majority of desktop office productivity suites. It'll run Libre Office, WPS Office, and Open Office. It can even run Lotus 1-2-3 via DOSBOX and Microsoft Works via Wine. The only one it doesn't run is the current version of Microsoft Office. Does this make it a good, useful office desktop OS in general? No. Because market share matters. Try this with other things:

"The majority of flights are available, just not any that go to major cities."
"This grocery store stocks the majority of food products, just not meat, dairy, eggs, and bread."
"You can buy any tools you want at this hardware store, just not hammers, drills, or saws."

Objectively, you can say Linux doesn't run the most popular games at all, with no indication it ever well, and the majority of games have a pretty good chance of needing some fiddling with to run, and most are likely to have issues. This is only "good" by the standard of "GIMP is just as good as Photoshop."

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The Ugly One said:
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Cut out all the multiplayer games out of your datasheets. You know, the most popular ones that won't run on Linux because of anti-cheat. Then compare the numbers. Does it run most popular offline singleplayer games? Then it's still a viable product for that market segment since not everyone is hooked on the same gacha shit that crowns all the popularity statistics.

But I get it, you want an endless argument again. My point is that Proton does well with running heaps of games that aren't the current #1 MMO competitive whatever the fuck, a lot of people don't play those anyways, and a lot of people would be content with the Steam Machine and how SteamOS handles itself. It's not going to dethrone Microsoft, only a lunatic thinks that, but it'll do alright, and that's all that matters.
 
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