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Macs are 13% split between two stats, however there's also 13% of mystery meat that shifts all the other percentages.
Very possibly bots that don't give a valid desktop OS in their user agent since StatCounter, the Mecca of market share tards, is badly inaccurate and doesn't account for a myriad of variables that could skew the stats.
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Does anyone provide a breakdown of Unknown anywhere? For all we know the Linux category only acknowledges one or two distro and browser combinations and anything like Linux Mint gets added to unknown
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Yeah, they've been transforming it into a Notepad-Wordpad hybrid after they nicked Wordpad. It still isn't there yet.
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What you have to understand is that StatCounter is very rudimentary in how it works. Their trackers are placed all over the web and whenever you visit a website with a StatCounter tracker, the data your browser gives to websites is sent to SC for analytics purposes. This data is limited, and EFF's Cover Your Tracks will show you what type of data you send to websites.
Now here's why it's so limited:
-a user agent doesn't necessarily have to have a valid OS name in it, which is possible why a lot of the results end up in "Unknown" as they don't give a valid user agent
-various bots and crawlers can and will end up in these statistics, especially if they're designed to be undetectable by posing as a regular web browser, further skewing the statistics
-if you block trackers you cut yourself out of SC stats, which btw is ironic given how Linux users love to use SC as a canary of how popular Linux is despite being the type of tech conscious person to use uBlock Origin
-the Windows statistic doesn't account for individual versions of Windows 10/11 as it only reports the major kernel version, meaning that there is no knowing how many of those Windows 10 PC's run 22H2 and how many of them run ancient versions like 1909
-the OS X/macOS split stems from the fact that in 2016 Apple renamed their desktop OS to just macOS, but machines running older versions will report themselves as OS X, and yet SC chose to keep those split even though they merge Windows 10 and Windows 11 users
Basically, everyone brings up the numbers StatCounter collects when it comes to OS market share, but if you're aware how StatCounter works then you will rightfully be skeptical of the numbers it gives. Chances are I don't show up as a blip on their Windows 10 statistic due to me running both uBO and Pi-Hole when browsing the web. Of course, if you want to just blindly assume that the 13% of the "Unknown" statistic is Linux then you're free to be ignorant of how dogshit StatCounter is as an estimate for anything besides "what normies without adblock use to browse normie sites worldwide".
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I've been blocking StatCounter for years, impossible for them to analyze my machine correctly.
Also, there is no telling how many machines one user has, and what OSs run on them. StatCounter is bullshit.
No, not necessarily. It is fully possible that they make up 60% of all bots despite being 13% of the Internet's population.
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Bots pretend to be iphones a lot of the time, or just some generic version of chrome.
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I need to find a better news source because TechPowerUp milking Windows 11 hate is just fucking grating to see. It was already bad that I couldn't just RSS them due to them constantly shoving shill articles in-between.
Look at the wording. How much they have to writhe to turn this article into another smear piece towards Windows 11 and not an actually objective report piece.
"An interesting development is the increase in Linux usage, which recorded a 0.15% gain, reaching its highest-ever share of 3.20%."
And then the writer's own assumptions as to what contributed to that, completely ignoring that these statistics have so many variables going in them. Ignoring the fact that the total amount of computers in use in these statistics always shifts and affects the percentages, or that if these are Steam Surveys, if you don't account for Steam Decks you get your data poisoned by people just buying and using the damn thing. No, the numbers shifted so it must be because Windows 10 is EOL and people hate Windows 11. Which then goes against the fact that most Windows 10 users already migrated to 11 anyways despite how literally unusable and broken it is.
Then there's this line: "The 30% figure may remain stable, as approximately 500 million PCs were unable to upgrade to Windows 11 when Windows 10 reached its end of life."
So so many assumptions are being made with that alone. What are these 500 million PC's? Are they office PC's? Gaming PC's? Is this number in any way related to the Steam Survey where the data targets a narrower user group? Doesn't matter, this is journalism at it's finest. Pulling complete bullshit out of your ass based on limited info.
Lest we forget that a few posts ago here I already pointed out how useless those statistics are if you want to determine anything meaningful, and here you have an entire article based on that. Fine journalism there at TechPowerUp. And it's not like Steve from Gamers Nexus is any better, he loves to exaggerate how bad Windows 11 is and how amazing Linux is for clicks, even if his Linux testing itself was very clearly showing that Linux gaming is a mess, something he himself made very clear in the video.
The comments are exactly what you'd expect, people bite this bait and they love it.
Yeah, it's so shit that most of them didn't have the need to move back to 10 given those market share stats.
This one is funny, since there's this YouTube channel that the Linux people love to bring up as much like them, the guy running it has a hard-on on seeing Linux beat Windows, and when he faced reality that Linux gaming is in fact a mess of workarounds that doesn't outperform Windows in every benchmark, he made a very whiny title about how "he wished he had better news" that he later changed. But anyways:
In this guy's own testing, a guy that's a die hard Linux fan that is the target audience of TPU's slop articles, Windows 11 on average had a minimal performance gain over Windows 10. Nothing amazing, the dips were within <2% of difference and excluding the outlier it was 2% faster on average. You could easily chalk most of that up as a statistic error, so Windows 11 gaming performance isn't actually worse. In practice you won't feel a difference.
Or take a gander at this amazing reporting:
In the short version they already show how clickbaity this article is. From 32MB to 64MB where 16GB of RAM is the average, and turning it into some unimaginable disaster. This is such a minor fuckup to report on, yet they made an entire article on that, and look! 88 comments! With a flame! Because their readers just fucking love these types of useless articles and apprarently TPU cares about engagement more than they care about actually good journalism!
I really wish that if outlets like this were to report on Windows 11 problems, they would focus on shit that actually matters, like the SSD issue. Not "explorer.exe now eats 64MB of RAM instead of 32MB of RAM while the web browser you're using to read our garbage eats like 3GB of RAM" or "Microsoft broke the dark mode in Explorer in an update! This is so newsworthy we have to make an entire article about it!". I want to read about tech news. New product releases, what's happening in the industry. Not this nonsensical drivel that is blatantly transparent in it being engagement bait.
If you're wondering why I'm so adamant about hating Linux, this is why. Ever since 11 and Steam Deck came out just about everywhere I go online looks like this. Linux is perfect and cannot be criticized, it is a perfect replacement for Windows. Windows 11 is literally the worst thing that was ever made and is literally unusable. This sentiments goes all the way to sites like TechPowerUp that pump out shitty articles like this. How the fuck am I not supposed to be mad when everyone collectively attained some sort of brain damage when it comes to this shit?
Look at the wording. How much they have to writhe to turn this article into another smear piece towards Windows 11 and not an actually objective report piece.
"An interesting development is the increase in Linux usage, which recorded a 0.15% gain, reaching its highest-ever share of 3.20%."
And then the writer's own assumptions as to what contributed to that, completely ignoring that these statistics have so many variables going in them. Ignoring the fact that the total amount of computers in use in these statistics always shifts and affects the percentages, or that if these are Steam Surveys, if you don't account for Steam Decks you get your data poisoned by people just buying and using the damn thing. No, the numbers shifted so it must be because Windows 10 is EOL and people hate Windows 11. Which then goes against the fact that most Windows 10 users already migrated to 11 anyways despite how literally unusable and broken it is.
Then there's this line: "The 30% figure may remain stable, as approximately 500 million PCs were unable to upgrade to Windows 11 when Windows 10 reached its end of life."
So so many assumptions are being made with that alone. What are these 500 million PC's? Are they office PC's? Gaming PC's? Is this number in any way related to the Steam Survey where the data targets a narrower user group? Doesn't matter, this is journalism at it's finest. Pulling complete bullshit out of your ass based on limited info.
Lest we forget that a few posts ago here I already pointed out how useless those statistics are if you want to determine anything meaningful, and here you have an entire article based on that. Fine journalism there at TechPowerUp. And it's not like Steve from Gamers Nexus is any better, he loves to exaggerate how bad Windows 11 is and how amazing Linux is for clicks, even if his Linux testing itself was very clearly showing that Linux gaming is a mess, something he himself made very clear in the video.
The comments are exactly what you'd expect, people bite this bait and they love it.
Yeah, it's so shit that most of them didn't have the need to move back to 10 given those market share stats.
This one is funny, since there's this YouTube channel that the Linux people love to bring up as much like them, the guy running it has a hard-on on seeing Linux beat Windows, and when he faced reality that Linux gaming is in fact a mess of workarounds that doesn't outperform Windows in every benchmark, he made a very whiny title about how "he wished he had better news" that he later changed. But anyways:
Or take a gander at this amazing reporting:
In the short version they already show how clickbaity this article is. From 32MB to 64MB where 16GB of RAM is the average, and turning it into some unimaginable disaster. This is such a minor fuckup to report on, yet they made an entire article on that, and look! 88 comments! With a flame! Because their readers just fucking love these types of useless articles and apprarently TPU cares about engagement more than they care about actually good journalism!
I really wish that if outlets like this were to report on Windows 11 problems, they would focus on shit that actually matters, like the SSD issue. Not "explorer.exe now eats 64MB of RAM instead of 32MB of RAM while the web browser you're using to read our garbage eats like 3GB of RAM" or "Microsoft broke the dark mode in Explorer in an update! This is so newsworthy we have to make an entire article about it!". I want to read about tech news. New product releases, what's happening in the industry. Not this nonsensical drivel that is blatantly transparent in it being engagement bait.
If you're wondering why I'm so adamant about hating Linux, this is why. Ever since 11 and Steam Deck came out just about everywhere I go online looks like this. Linux is perfect and cannot be criticized, it is a perfect replacement for Windows. Windows 11 is literally the worst thing that was ever made and is literally unusable. This sentiments goes all the way to sites like TechPowerUp that pump out shitty articles like this. How the fuck am I not supposed to be mad when everyone collectively attained some sort of brain damage when it comes to this shit?
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The Youtuber Budget-Builds has been getting badgered about testing games on Linux. He eventually gave in and benchmarked Linux vs Windows on one of his old systems. Despite suggestions that the system would perform better with Linux, he found most games in fact perform worse than under Windows: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3zT7961_Yk
I read about the Explorer preload feature the other day. I hadn't noticed any slow loading with Explorer opening on my PC, a Ryzen 7 5800X3D. I have a decent amount of Explorer plug-ins installed, such as Proton Drive, Git Extensions, various Power Toys, etc. But testing on a fresh reboot it instantly loads. Testing on another PC, an i5 6500 it maybe loads slightly slower, but it's definitely < 1 sec load time. At this point, I've got to question if Explorer loading slow is even a real issue. Maybe I just haven't shat my system up with enough Explorer plug-ins and/or opted into the 25H2 preview update?Or take a gander at this amazing reporting:
In the short version they already show how clickbaity this article is. From 32MB to 64MB where 16GB of RAM is the average, and turning it into some unimaginable disaster. This is such a minor fuckup to report on, yet they made an entire article on that, and look! 88 comments! With a flame! Because their readers just fucking love these types of useless articles and apprarently TPU cares about engagement more than they care about actually good journalism!
I really wish that if outlets like this were to report on Windows 11 problems, they would focus on shit that actually matters, like the SSD issue. Not "explorer.exe now eats 64MB of RAM instead of 32MB of RAM while the web browser you're using to read our garbage eats like 3GB of RAM" or "Microsoft broke the dark mode in Explorer in an update! This is so newsworthy we have to make an entire article about it!". I want to read about tech news. New product releases, what's happening in the industry. Not this nonsensical drivel that is blatantly transparent in it being engagement bait.
And RAM usage is something I cared a lot more about 20 years ago. I can remember it was a big deal when uTorrent was released and it being much more memory efficent than Azureus. These days? I can't recall the last time I ran out memory and memory usage is something I simply give little thought to.
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Linux users are mostly midwits that only think in the frame of "Linux = better". Zero understanding of the underlying building blocks, how Linux differs from Windows, or how Valve even accomplished Linux gaming viability and what caveats it holds. It's also funny that you have all the stereotypes always keep popping up like with this video.
"Oh but Linux works better with AMD!"
Yet all the comments said that this specific PC with this specific Nvidia GPU, that only after the fact everyone is pointing out doesn't play well with Linux due to driver issues. Why omit this fact while they were encouraging him to "install Linux to fix everything"? It would be an instant deterrent from trying it, and they needed him to install Linux. Becuase Linux is always superior to Windows, and when it's not, you have to move the goal post and shift the blame, as long as you don't blame Linux or it's community for why it's not better.
No matter how much Linux users cry and whine that this is just a loud minority, no matter how many times the Linux thread bitches about my opinions, I know, they know, everyfuckingbody knows that the entirety of the Linux community is full of this type of toxic scum and is the main reason why desktop Linux is so ass backwards as that shit seeps all the way down into code development.
As it stands right now, it's a miracle Linux gaming is even possible, but it's a far fucking cry from Windows parity. What Valve is doing with their own hardware and their own software is phenomenal. It is not the silver bullet the Linux community is hoping for to finally see their dreams come true as they are constantly fucking up everything else. Wayland, GNOME, KDE, install Arch btw to be able to play vidya, etcetera etcetera. It's still a metric fuckton of workarounds to replicate Windows behavior under Linux which has a ton of shortcomings. Not to mention that the Linux community couldn't accomplish half of this shit with Wine in the last two decades and Valve had to fork it to be able to actually write good code. Linux is useless without corpos tard wrangling everything.
Yeah, most of these bugs are non-issues that are being elevated just because people love to get mad at Windows. Same shit happened with Windows 10, something broke? Write an entire article about it! Yet it didn't went on for years past it's release on every media outlet you've ever visited online. The actual hard system breaking bugs are rare and the SSD issue was probably one of the first major issues with 11 that coincidentally died down. You don't hear any articles saying about how it's still an issue. Could it be that Microsoft fixed it but there are no clicks in reporting positively about Microsoft?
Most of the gripes people have with 11 are the useless features and the shitty UI, but that's not the end of the world. This complaint existed ever since Windows existed, why is it suddenly so amplified and serious with 11? This is why I'm so fucking pissed whenever I see this shit. It's just completely fake, and no one, not even users of this site who claim to be tech literate, take two seconds to think whether or not it's true or serious. It's bad PR for Microsoft, so let's repost it and sloptubers exaggerating it to stroke our cocks to it.
What I want to see is proper, objective, unbiased and most importantly, non-sensational reporting on Windows 11's issues. My personal experience with 11 is nowhere near that of what everyone tries to say. I don't get any blue screens when updating, I don't have my OS fall apart for no reason, it's not a slog to use. It's just mildly more annoying with the UI changes compared to 10. That's it. If Win11 was as bad as everyone says it is, it wouldn't have a 70/30 split with Win10. It's not so bad for people to refuse to move to it, yet every article and comment makes it seem like it is.
Frankly, I believe that if Linus Torvalds was actually a social media guy, he'd very quickly get fed up with this bullshit himself, but he's lucky to have a life outside of the Internet and social media. if people in the mailing list behaved the way Linux cultists behave online he'd flay them alive, but he's lucky that contributing to the kernel is a major filter that these midwits never make it through.
Now, hopefully I won't get reported and thread banned just because I rant about the wrong operating systems the wrong way since I'm posting in the right thread this time around.
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ignoring the fact that he likely specifically picked one of the few hardware combinations that do not work well on linux on purpose
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Ignoring the fact that he explicitly stated that people told him to "just install Linux" on this specific hardware combination that does not work well on Linux. Not making sure to clarify why Maxwell GPU's will run like shit on Linux since that would discourage him from trying it. It's not like people told him beforehand that this computer wouldn't be the best pick for Linux, they just told him to install it and it would magically fix all the performance issues to show Linux from a better side. It didn't, he made a video about it, and now everyone including you kvetch that it didn't make things better.
It still proved a point: Linux users are midwits. They only think in the frame "Linux = better". They keep bothering everyone including their grandmother (sometimes literally) to install Linux. The be-all-end-all of their existence is getting people to use Linux.
And whenever Linux inevitably isn't better in some way, like having issues with Nvidia because the drivers are closed source even though the great strength of Linux is that anyone can write code and no one has taken up the mantle to write better drivers, only then they start to clarify and shift the blame, as long as they don't have to admit that Linux isn't always better. Because it always is better. They cannot let that statement be made as it's an attack on Linux and it's community.
Most importantly, they are all like this, and whenever they're confronted with that fact, they default to the "loud minority" excuse that they can never properly explain.
And whenever their retarded behavior gets on my nerves, then suddenly I'm the crazy one for complaining about Linux, Definitely unprompted, it's all my delusions. I'm obsessed. Yep, not like I cannot avoid seeing the exact same fucking pattern everywhere I go online. Pattern recognition is a bust, or I'm just hallucinating things.
Which, I know that Linux people just love when someone make this comparison, but it's really fucking accurate. The Linux community are like trannies.
-they keep getting into everyone's faces completely unprompted
-they're everywhere, they preach their gospel constantly
-the moment you confront them about it they do the "loud minority" excuse
-any criticism towards their group you make is deflected by you being "mad" or "obsessed"
-even the slightest form of doubt or criticism is taken as a direct attack on the entire group where it has to be defended
-they always present themselves as the best thing since sliced bread to convince you to join, skipping any and all downsides of their cause
-whenever doubts arise they move the goalpost just to convince you that the issues you're seeing are the fault of everyone else but them and their entire existence goal
And most importantly, much of that of any other cult, is to have people be a part of their group. Everything they say about any benefits is just means to an end. They don't care about changing your life for the better. Even if it makes it worse, as long as you've joined them, that's a win.
But again, I'm the crazy obsessed one. Because apparently completely omitting any and all context of Budget Builds' video, like how his Linux knowledge is outdated and how everyone kept telling him to "try Linux, it'll make it better" without being forthcoming about it's issues, then getting mad when he did just that and it made things worse, then assuming this was malice on purpose is sanity.
Maybe try to get in touch with reality every now and then. I know it's ironic coming from me, but still. You're just fueling the exact same idiocy that makes me reactively hate Linux even though I don't outright hate the kernel or GNU/Linux itself and even use it to some extent. Fucking, learn how to take accountability for how people perceive Linux based on what it's users say and how they act and stop acting like a drooling mongoloid. That's what I'm trying to say.
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And then one day, IBM fired the entire Red Hat development team and rehired a new one in India.
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Well, the good ones that do good work and are motivated to do so. Windows 11 is what happens when a corpo isn't motivated. But then you have trashfires like Wayland, GNOME, Wine, ALSA and other wonderful elements of GNU/Linux where if there is no motivation, structure or pressure you go nowhere with the code but beyond the Milky Way with the ego of the maintainers.
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Windows 11 is what happens when the company is motivated by the wrong things.
Underlying OS in Windows is very good but is increasingly burdened by demands from on high to shove some new feature or piece of telemetry into it. I keep hearing Eric Cartman's voice crying: "Stick an AI in it, and make it gay."
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It also bothers me that no one does this. A good chunk of those Linux benefits are just DXVK doing magic and overcoming DirectX bottlenecks, and it can do so on Windows as well. There's a reason people recommend using it for older games with graphical and performance issues. One big advantage it has is offloading some of the CPU burden of older single threaded games leading to an FPS boost. one of the reasons why Crysis is so hard to run is because it's single threaded and DXVK helps a little with FPS. It's not that it's a demanding game, it's that it's quite literally unoptimized, even though Xbox 360 had three cores and in 2007 when it released you already had Intel Core Duo/Quad CPU's.
Then again, the point is that Linux gaming isn't "better than Windows every time". It's a heavily mixed bag, and even if you get a setup that's perfect for Linux you'll get variations from game to game, because that's just how it is. Proton/DXVK aren't perfect, sometimes they'll manage to boost the performance, sometimes they'll lose performance, and sometimes they'll be on par with Windows performance. There's the gigantic pitfall of many games not working with it, and I'm not talking about Linux not being designed for rootkits begging for a CVE 9-10 zero day exploit that are commonly referred to as "anti-cheat", or having odd issues just because Proton/DXVK are missing some Win32 function that the game needs. There are so many miniscule variables in Linux gaming that can skew the results that you'd need a gigantic set of games to test from various periods, and a good understanding of how they're built to be able to pinpoint as for why it's better in this scenario or why it's worse in this scenario. Most of the Windows vs Linux comparison only choose a handful of modern games that are all over the place, average the results from that and make hard statements about which OS is better, when if you look at the individual results, the only answer you can make is that "it depends". You can't say Linux is better if it struggles with even one game, the baseline should be Linux matching Windows' performance on every game before we jump to conclusions like this. The fact that it's near 90% in performance on average is already a great accomplishment when a few years ago you couldn't run games on Linux for shit.
The most important takeaway is that it's actually viable now. That's a massive win on it's own. But the Linux community is genuinely brain damaged so they jump the gun and scream "LINUX IS BETTER THAN WINDOWS FOR GAMING SWITCH NOWNOWNOWNOWNOW" because they see another window to get people to join their cult, with all the same tactics people have heard for decades by now. Idealize Linux, then when Linux isn't ideal shift the blame on anything but Linux.
Anyways, imagine that TPU would make an article every single time something in Linux shat the bed. Another Wayland issue, another systemd issue, another KDE/GNOME issue, another Proton issue, another ALSA issue and so on. Not only would the amount of articles skyrocket, no one would bother clicking them since people don't want to hear that Linux has issues, and chances are the articles themselves would be written in a very pathetic way trying to downplay the issues rather than to exaggerate them, since actually criticizing Linux is a taboo topic. But making an entire article about a Windows 11 problem that no one would notice if not for the article? Sure, why the fuck not. And it's not like VideoCardz is perfect either, like, wow, AI can hallucinate. Earth is round. Grass is green. Don't care, I want to read about hardware industry news. At least their track record is still better than TPU where they consistently shit out articles about Windows 11 issues.
I'm just sick and tired of this bias being present everywhere. It serves no practical purpose and is detrimental across the board. Pretending that Linux is perfect while it still has a heapton of flaws that no one wants to fix because everyone locks themselves in the WONTFIX echo chambers will only maintain Windows' market dominance, no matter how much Nadella and his curry shitting cronies fuck it up. The Linux community has not learned a single thing, that they shouldn't be just counting on Windows shitting the bed and then having an entire online campaign to get people to switch to Linux. They gotta work on Linux for it to be better instead of waiting for Windows to fall to the same shitty level. Competition, they always treat it all like a Windows vs Linux competition, but with zero business tact behind it. That way everyone loses, you're either stuck with a bloated, AI infested corpse of what used to be a perfectly cromulent OS or a constantly breaking mess of individual packages no one cares to fix because they're already perfect.
Those sort of circlejerking articles that every media outlet including Gamers Nexus peddles only help to fuel the enshittification on both sides of the aisle, so no matter what you choose you'll be stepping in shit. Do you really want that? Or do you want it to be like it was 15 years ago circa Windows 7 when both Windows and Linux were actually good operating systems?
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I do, for older dx9 games.
The result is pretty consistent on an AMD GPU.
In CPU limited scenarios performance increases by 40-80% and in GPU limited scenarios the wrapping cost is between 10-20%.
Considering old games are either limited by the CPU or engine and never by the GPU, it's always worth it.
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Holy shit I'm getting filtered by windows 11 setup. I did a whole factory reset since it was a hand me down laptop but jesus christ, I don't want those services just take me to the fucking desktop.