The Windows OS Thread - Formerly THE OS for gamers and normies, now sadly ruined by Pajeets

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Fcret said:
At my last job, they rolled out copilot for the devs and made it sound like a huge deal that was gonna triple productivity. The reality is that every big company meeting was the C-suite getting mad because only the junior devs were using it and they were using it for stuff like, "how do I concatenate a string in Kotlin" whereas the senior devs almost universally didn't touch it.
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We have a mix. You can kinda tell who got "use ai" as an objective on their yearly evaluations.
  • one senior manager keeps trying to find ways to use it, mostly useless stuff though, he seems to think it'd be great for major framework upgrades but IMO we just shouldn't be using the stupid frameworks to begin with
  • another guy used it to set up some dashboards before he left which broke after a couple months, nobody cared to fix it as most dashboards are kinda useless
  • a few of us use it to write little scripts here and there and to shortcut looking up documentation sorta like the concat a string thing, not a big productivity gain as you used to be able to google these things like with a script you could just get a similar example and modify it to your needs
I don't believe anyone competent is getting big productivity gains out of it. The deep code editor integrations really bug me as I turned off all code completion a long time ago and never looked back. The thing is though a "code generator" is never going to be all that useful, "more code" was never a problem.
 
Slav Power said:
As for the start menu, all they have to do to make it not shit is copy what Windhawk is already doing and make the full program list visible by default instead of hiding it behind a non-descriptive icon adding another unnecessary click to the workflow compared to 10. It's all React webshit so it's trivial to modify and redo to look like this.
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Or add an option to skip the Pins and go directly to the Show All. I bet not that many people will select it.

Baraka Obama said:
I don't believe anyone competent is getting big productivity gains out of it. The deep code editor integrations really bug me as I turned off all code completion a long time ago and never looked back. The thing is though a "code generator" is never going to be all that useful, "more code" was never a problem.
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One use I've seen from it is when somebody needs throwaway code in a language they're not super familiar with. I've generated python code to process CSV files (I'm a C++ guy), another engineer I know just used it write some C code to simulate a ransomware attack on a SQL database. This turns jobs where 90% of it is "learning the syntax for something I do not give a shit about outside this one thing" into quick task.
 
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The Ugly One said:
Or add an option to skip the Pins and go directly to the Show All.
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Windows 10 had both all programs and pins visible at once. It was a good layout and in a way an improvement over every other iteration of the start menu where by default all programs were hidden under a submenu. The old 95-XP iterations had the benefit of auto-unrolling on hover, while 7 made it slightly worse by having to click "all programs" first to open the list. 8 wasn't a start menu but a major disaster and 10 found a good middle ground. Then came 11 and fucked it up again.

Just mirror the way 10's start menu worked/looked like and you'll get rid of 99% of complaints about the new start menu. For a full rectification of the retarded React UI, bring feature parity of the new taskbar with 10's taskbar, AKA all the shit that was there since 95 and 7, and add an alternative option where you can disable the new context menu. If they want to enshittify it with their WinUI3 bullshit, just do a 1:1 copy of what's listed in the classic context menu that, again, existed since fucking 95, with the oh so awful 3rd party menu option clutter and slap a WinUI3 coat of paint on it. You get to keep your excuse for investors that you're doing something and you're not actively fucking with the same user experience your customers had for decades.

But noooo, the Pajeets are too smart for that and they need to reinvent the wheel when no one fucking asked them to. Nadella firing QA is one thing, but M$ abandoning their old-school methods of UI/UX testing where they had literal lab rats sitting in front of a screen and taking hints from how they interact with it is another. No amount of telemetry and Hindu thinking will replace that, that's when Microsoft actually made good products people liked to use.
 
Baraka Obama said:
We have a mix. You can kinda tell who got "use ai" as an objective on their yearly evaluations.
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Everyone at Microsoft has AI on their yearly evaluations:
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Baraka Obama said:
I don't believe anyone competent is getting big productivity gains out of it. The deep code editor integrations really bug me as I turned off all code completion a long time ago and never looked back. The thing is though a "code generator" is never going to be all that useful, "more code" was never a problem.
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Using lines of code written as a metric is "Line Must Go Up" mentality applied to something that it should never apply to. It's crazy to see but that is how LLM vendors are juicing the metrics. Their internal code must be increasingly horrifying as people abandon helper methods and code quality so they can cut-and-paste their way to having the most pull requests and lines of code written for performance reviews.
 
The Ugly One said:
One use I've seen from it is when somebody needs throwaway code in a language they're not super familiar with. I've generated python code to process CSV files (I'm a C++ guy), another engineer I know just used it write some C code to simulate a ransomware attack on a SQL database. This turns jobs where 90% of it is "learning the syntax for something I do not give a shit about outside this one thing" into quick task.
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These are not big productivity gains, 10 years ago I would just search "parse csv python," copy an example, fiddle with it for 15 mins and be done. The AI guys have convinced every pajeet exec I work with that we don't need to hire a backfill when someone leaves because we can somehow use AI to cover the work. It's seriously going to tank every company that follows this model.
 
Slav Power said:
If you have a use for an LLM. Otherwise it's useless clutter. But also not the "spying AI that you cannot remove" everyone shits themselves about, it's just a glorified web browser tab.
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As for the start menu, all they have to do to make it not shit is copy what Windhawk is already doing and make the full program list visible by default instead of hiding it behind a non-descriptive icon adding another unnecessary click to the workflow compared to 10. It's all React webshit so it's trivial to modify and redo to look like this.

Same for the lack of the ability to resize and move the taskbar. Bring it to parity with what it was back when it first released on Windows 95 all the way up to 10 you useless shitskins.
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I swear to God, like two weeks ago I suddenly lost the ability to add shortcuts to my task bar. I had set up a powershell script to make shortcuts that opened Edge to specific sites, kinda a poor man’s Peppermint Linux thing, and had them on my task bar until they suddenly got kicked off and now I can’t put them back.
All I wanted to do was make my work computer slightly more convenient and now that has been ripped from me by Indian hands. I will never forgive them for this.
Also multi-monitor on Windows kinda blows. I keep opening things on one monitor and having them pop up on another. I like the ability to change the relative location of monitors to exactly match my physical setup, though, that is nice.

Baraka Obama said:
I don't believe anyone competent is getting big productivity gains out of it. The deep code editor integrations really bug me as I turned off all code completion a long time ago and never looked back. The thing is though a "code generator" is never going to be all that useful, "more code" was never a problem.
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"Too much code" has always been the problem, especially poorly thought out code. AI code gen doesn't solve this, it makes it much worse.
 
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August Levasseur said:
I had set up a powershell script to make shortcuts that opened Edge to specific sites
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On Windows you can just make URL shortcuts and those should be pinnable to the taskbar. You can always opt to use an alternative like RetroBar where the quick launch menu works the exact same way as it did way back when: just showing .lnk files from a folder in AppData. Those won't magically break, ever. Given how your work computer doesn't do the needful and AppLock down PowerShell then it sure as hell doesn't lock down running EXE's, and RetroBar can be compiled as a standalone portable EXE.
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I keep opening things on one monitor and having them pop up on another. I like the ability to change the relative location of monitors to exactly match my physical setup, thought, that is nice.
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Maybe they fucked it up on 11 but on 10 it keeps track of what opens up where, including the multi-monitor offsets since under the hood it's all XY coordinates with the primary monitor being the center of it. Then again, Wayland doesn't see a use case for a primary monitor mechanism so your best hope is that XLibre finally becomes the non-shit window server for Linux, with proper multi-monitor support, proper window isolation and HDR support that doesn't suck too much, much like the Windows implementation. Since having an HDR implementation that doesn't suck, period, seems impossible even for Microsoft with all the help from Nvidia and AMD.
 
Sneedmason said:
I will probably die on the windows 10 hill.I'm looking at Linux Mint is like a dying man looking at experimental medicine, as a tech illiterate this is hell.
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If you pick the correct hardware version Aurora OS is pretty much idiot proof. Install your GUI apps with Flatpak and Homebrew will let you install CLI apps without fucking the system.

 
Baraka Obama said:
These are not big productivity gains, 10 years ago I would just search "parse csv python," copy an example, fiddle with it for 15 mins and be done. The AI guys have convinced every pajeet exec I work with that we don't need to hire a backfill when someone leaves because we can somehow use AI to cover the work. It's seriously going to tank every company that follows this model.
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They're big productivity gains for specific tasks. They don't 10x your developers across the board - this is the mistake managers have made for all of eternity. "Wow, this new tool makes my engineer 10x more productive." Yes. On this one task. He spends one hour a day doing this, now he spends one minute. His other 7 hours are in meetings.
 
The Ugly One said:
Or add an option to skip the Pins and go directly to the Show All. I bet not that many people will select it.
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Crazy idea but what if we like merged the two into a single list and show the pinned items category at the top thus making it more compact while still not having to click an extra button? I don't know though I don't think its been done before so !
 
The Ugly One said:
They're big productivity gains for specific tasks. They don't 10x your developers across the board - this is the mistake managers have made for all of eternity. "Wow, this new tool makes my engineer 10x more productive." Yes. On this one task. He spends one hour a day doing this, now he spends one minute. His other 7 hours are in meetings.
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I view it very negatively as it may look impressive but the deterioration of google over time makes it look better than it should be. Instead of searching "grep for an ipv4 pattern in a file" I'm throwing a file chunk into chatgpt and asking it to give me a space separated list of IPV4s. They take about the same amount of time, but I can't rely on google giving me back a sane answer anymore.

The meetings are no joke, if the AI could attend all our meetings we'd be way more productive.
 
Baraka Obama said:
The meetings are no joke, if the AI could attend all our meetings we'd be way more productive.
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Unironically the best use of AI we have is it takes minutes of all our meetings, so I can just half-ignore them while I work.
 
Windows did that thing where if it has an update lined up and you leave the computer for too long it'll install it and reboot. Came back home and I had a login screen. It then started opening everything that wasn't on Autorun that I had opened, so just my web browser.

At least I never have anything super important open when this happens and I just leave it open out of laziness, these updates are once per month and most of the time I'm using the computer so they install once I'm done using it since I power cycle daily, no point in racking up uptime. Though I can see why people would have a problem with it when not everyone has a habit of Ctrl+S'ing. Or if they run some background task that takes time and Windows fails to realize that it's meant to run. And that they don't want to reboot now just so Windows won't do that rug pull on them. Or that it even does that.
 
Slav Power said:
If you have a use for an LLM. Otherwise it's useless clutter. But also not the "spying AI that you cannot remove" everyone shits themselves about, it's just a glorified web browser tab.
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As for the start menu, all they have to do to make it not shit is copy what Windhawk is already doing and make the full program list visible by default instead of hiding it behind a non-descriptive icon adding another unnecessary click to the workflow compared to 10. It's all React webshit so it's trivial to modify and redo to look like this.

Same for the lack of the ability to resize and move the taskbar. Bring it to parity with what it was back when it first released on Windows 95 all the way up to 10 you useless shitskins.
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If you don’t have a use for an LLM in 2025 you’re not a serious computer user.
 
What the Hell? I have no words.


How in the fuck is it the tail end of 2025 and Microsoft are only just doing native support for NVME? How did I not know this was a thing? And it's not even available outside Windows Server 2025, I'm inferring from this.

Good Lord! Microsoft are determined to kill Windows, aren't they?
 
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