The Writing Thread

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Remember, according a recent leak, 80% of the authors who are part of the Science Fiction-Fantasy Writers of America make less than $500 a YEAR in sales.

Of that 20% left over, only the top 0.5% make more than $1,000 a month. And only 10% of those make more enough to live off of.

The numbers were fucking hilarious.

If you self-publish and make more than $1,000 in a month, you are better than 99% of the SFFWA asswipes.

Remember, if you go to a literary agent:

The agent gets a cut BEFORE you. The Tradpub gets to give you dogshit and demand rewrites and revisions until it meats some failed author wannabe's standards.

You'll be lucky to a get a penny for each sold.

The publisher doesn't count it as sold until the store counts it as sold, even though they got paid for the book.

You have to pay back your advance.

Some publishers put interest on advances.

They can shelve your book and never publish it, just hold onto the rights so it doesn't interfere with other stories.

Agents have been caught recently giving the ideas in a manuscript, or even the whole manuscript, to their favorites for a complete rewrite.

Jeff Bezos tells you not to put child porn on his servers and gives you like 40%.

He also pays once a month.
 
You have to pay back your advance.
Only if you don't deliver the manuscript. I think what you mean is our dumb gay books must sell more than the advance was worth to get more litbux, and if it don't, they will tell you to never darken their doormat again.
All the rest is real interesting, and I want to see the leaks, because lol.
 
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My personal goal is to self-publish a book of sci-fi shorts, really just because I feel like it and think it would be neat. IDGAF about making money or having it be held up as high art, it's a personal project for me and me alone. But whatever lol.
This story is about how life rose and fell on Mars, and the challenge was in explaining music in a text medium. I'm happy with how it turned out, honestly I put first drafts up on here and edit later as I re-read, and I have great fun writing 'epic sci-fi' where there's pretty much no rules.
The Drummer

Before breath, before thought, before Mars, there was a beat. There was rhythm, not the chaos or the silence some believe, but a steady, cosmic beat. The beat came from a place between galaxies, the beat came from The Drummer. The Drummer was known by many names. The One-Who-Strikes-the-Spheres, the Harbinger of Vibration, The Singer of Life, The Musician.
The Drummer drifted through the galaxy, until it came upon a young star, circled by worlds still cooling in the womb of Mother Night. One world caught the interest of The Drummer. A red, raw, unfinished sphere of potential. Its atmosphere thin, its surface cracked and brittle like an old drum skin, Mars called to The Drummer.
The Drummer had played upon thousands of thousands of stars, planets, asteroid belts plucked like harp strings and black holes blown like flutes. It gazed upon the planet, upon its two small moons, and The Drummer raised its arms.
The Drummer struck, and the song began.
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The first beat was struck on the red sphere, a deep and powerful BOOM that vibrated through the solar system. One heavy beat followed, and another, and another, the foundation of the song. The two moons were next, a soft and graceful chime now accompanying the rhythmic booms of Mars. The Drummer did not play randomly, no. Each strike of the planetary instruments was measured, precise, and perfect. The Drummer’s technique was older than time, learned in the places between realities, and as the song changed so did Mars. When the song was slow, moisture coalesced in the seas, when it was fast the crust set in its form, when it was sad the winds blew and when it was happy the mountains sprang up and danced. For eons the Drummer played, perfecting its song. Eventually The Drummer was pleased, so pleased it began to sing.
When the rhythm reached its most powerful, The Drummer sang without words. Its tones were vast and sorrowful, vibrating throughout space and tuned solely to Mars. The chords The Drummer sang made the iron weep and the dust stir, the dancing mountains sat down and cried, the winds stopped blowing, and the seas calmed their waves. The rhythm slowed, the heavy bass drumming of Mars went deep into the core of the planet and began to beat like a heart. The Drummer continued to sing in a thousand thousand voices, singing in chords where harmony and dissonance met and fell in love. The beat continued, the song lightening from sorrow to glory. The dust listened to the song, and knew the song was sung for it.
The dust came together, called into motion by the irresistible rhythm of its creation. Out of the dust beings formed, and the beings danced and sang along with The Drummer. The seas vibrated with the drumming, the crust shook with bass, the air chimed like bells, and the mountains sang with them all. The beings born of dust rejoiced in their new life, ecstatic to be notes in the great song of the cosmos, singing and dancing along with all creation on the once red planet.
But all songs reach their end. The Drummer sang its final note and struck Mars once more, the vibration of the blow cementing the work. The Drummer gazed once more upon Mars, his instrument, and was pleased with what it saw. The beings continued the song, dancing and chanting and singing even as The Drummer turned away. The Drummer never stayed, its work was done and its song was sung.
But the memory, the song, and the beat within the planet remained.
***
The beings called themselves the Saras, and they were one with rhythm. They did not speak, they sang. They did not move, they danced. They did not write, they composed songs of knowing. From birth they had not names but melodies, music was etched into their very being. They built cities that sang with them, great spires of quartz and iron and stone tuned to catch the wind as flutes. The streets were drums resounding with the eternal dancing of the Saras, the homes alight with the singing of babes and the crooning of elders.
Every note, every beat, was a sacrament to The Drummer. The Saras did not worship their creator so much as remember it as one remembers an ancestor. They were the music that came from its playing, and as such they created their own songs of marvel and wonder. Five great cities came to be, each alive with their own songs and pounding with their own dances. All lived in harmony, all living by the same meter. The very planet was once again an instrument that’s beat and rhythm and song could be heard across the solar system if there were any to hear it. The Saras carved mountains into flutes, strung valleys like harps, and played caves like organs. For millennia, the rhythm carried on and it was glorious. But rhythm, like many things, can be broken, and all operas must close.
In time, the song grew cluttered. The cities grew taller, the music more complex, and the Saras built machines to codify what once came from the instinct of their creation. The dancers tripped, the singers forgot to breathe between verses, the fluted mountains cracked and the strung valleys went out of tune. The Saras built great machines of iron to play the music they could not, and eventually the song became encoded, lifeless, meaningless. They slowly stopped singing, only listening, and they slowly stopped dancing, only watching as the automatons performed for them. They forgot The Drummer, became enraptured by their poor facsimile of The Drummer’s art, and as they forgot so did Mars.
The seas lost the rhythm of the waves and dried, the mountains that once danced and keened crumbled to dust, the wind heard no songs and so it went elsewhere, and the Saras forgot who they were. One day, one sorrowful day there was only quiet as the final note of the final song faded into silence. Mars was dead, barren, and much like how music is a temporary piece of art so was the ancient Mars that teemed with life and glory.
***
The last Sara, an old woman with no name, no dance, and no drum, sat on the edge of a crater as the last storm passed overhead. In her final breath, her foot tapped the dust. One. Two. One. Two
It was off-beat.
But it was something.
 
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What's the secret to being successful in self-publishing? Because I don't believe that paying money for ads will do anything. Maybe pay an "influencer" as loathsome as that might be. I know that having a good cover is a big part of it. That and sending it to reviewers and getting your circle to talk about it.
 
What's the secret to being successful in self-publishing? Because I don't believe that paying money for ads will do anything. Maybe pay an "influencer" as loathsome as that might be. I know that having a good cover is a big part of it. That and sending it to reviewers and getting your circle to talk about it.
ive seen what your books are. you are not getting influencers anyway with that work
 
What's the secret to being successful in self-publishing? Because I don't believe that paying money for ads will do anything. Maybe pay an "influencer" as loathsome as that might be. I know that having a good cover is a big part of it. That and sending it to reviewers and getting your circle to talk about it.
There is a guy on YouTube I used to watch, Roland Hulme, that writes these like action/romance novels. He said once, and I think it probably true, that he's never met an author that had 30 books for sale that isn't making money. Perhaps not pay-all-your-bills money, but just like with YouTube, statistically speaking the more you produce the more you will make.

He's talked about the Ads for Authors course positively, and I think it probably would have a net-positive impact on your writing career if you could dedicate enough energy to it. Most "writers", myself included, have trouble making enough time to write, let alone do all the business-y shit required to make it an actual career.
 
There is a guy on YouTube I used to watch, Roland Hulme, that writes these like action/romance novels. He said once, and I think it probably true, that he's never met an author that had 30 books for sale that isn't making money. Perhaps not pay-all-your-bills money, but just like with YouTube, statistically speaking the more you produce the more you will make.

He's talked about the Ads for Authors course positively, and I think it probably would have a net-positive impact on your writing career if you could dedicate enough energy to it. Most "writers", myself included, have trouble making enough time to write, let alone do all the business-y shit required to make it an actual career.
I'm doing something similar where I have about 5 or 6 books on the market. I released 2 in a year and working on another 2-3 this year.
 
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I'm doing something similar where I have about 5 or 6 books on the market. I released 2 in a year and working on another 2-3 this year.
I think this is the way to go too. I usually notice a spike in sales across all my books right after doing a promotion. I think Amazon does something like author rankings that make your stuff pop up naturally on the algo without any active ad campaigns.

I had a furry bring up my ao3 smut fics like I'm supposed to care what he thinks about something I wrote in ten minutes one-handed


Asher Wolfstein | @Lucifereal
If you think I featured 10-minute one-handed text vomit on AO3 that most likely took much longer than that or was written by AI because I was trying to personally shame you with *my* judgment then once again you have no idea who I am or what I think.

What you have is a doppelgänger of me in your allegedly superior intellect of what you want me to be.

You tried to sell me to Kiwi Farms as a potential new lolcow and look how well that went for you, because you mistake your classist-like arrogance, I mean insecurity, for wisdom or knowledge.

The more you talk about me the more you draw my attention, and for someone like you with a lot to hide that’s a poor choice.

When I did finally make a personal comment on it, I was pointing out how shallow, gross, meaningless, and badly written it was, and not that far off from what you write now, except the AI makes it sound more palatable because I guess you got better prompts.

And even when I did that, you’re not ‘supposed’ to do anything other than whatever superior-intellect bullshit you do, which is to apparently state that I post “like [you’re] supposed to care what think”.

No. That’s your shitty self-aggrandizing and most likely fictional excuse and belittlement so you can feel taller standing on my schizo shoulders. As people do. You’re not the first. You won’t be the last. You’re common and annoying.

The fact is my writing impressed Liana and other friends, “no notes,” while yours got shunted off to my husband because it needed editing. I’m sure somewhere you probably claim, oh that was just trolling, and yet you published the book on Amazon.


Can you please stop threatening me, bud? I wasn't even trying to be mean about it.
 
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I watched a video the other day on "writing groups" and why they are basically filled with liberal women who just want other people to pat their asses.

Has anyone encountered one that was not like that? Genuine interest in other people's work, feedback, etc..

I did one of those huge "write with me" groups once and the zoom call was literally all weirdos. It was not helpful.
 
Someone asks every 6 months or so and the answer is no. Just be an isolated, alcoholic, unemployable angry loner like the rest of us.
Amen brother. Couldn’t imagine sharing my work with a “writer’s group.”

“Let’s see what these old hags have to say about my nihilistic, boozehound protagonist loosely based on myself and the ridiculous, gross, fun things I’ve done.”

That’ll go over well. If I’ve learned anything, writing groups are either the old loser pedophile cults like Fatrick’s guild or it’s suburban moms sharing their short stories/poetry or more likely, their porn they wrote about a Latin guy who’s based on the dude who said “M’am you dropped your phone,” the other day and they’re still fired up over it.

Nobody well-adjusted does this.
 
Finished this one, it's just two dudes beating the fuck out of each other. I wanted to talk about violence for the sake of violence, as well as work in a more grand scale with the tone reminiscent of The Mahabharata's fights. I like how it turned out, I go very stream-of-consciousness and let the themes and philosophy come out however they choose. Then I go back and edit after the story sits for a bit.
The Solar Arena

There was a solar system with a golden sun at its center. Full of patient light, its flares unfurled like banners in the windless void. Worlds circled it in silence, lifeless. Uninhabited. Their oceans boiled or froze in silence, their mountains knew no names. Their deserts bore no footprints and their skies held no birds. There were scars here and there, accidents of celestial geometry and forgotten impacts.
The Sun was young, hot, bright, and naive, yet old enough to recognize power. It knew gravity. It knew heat. It knew orbit. And now, it knew them.
They arrived with no craft nor ceremony. They stepped from nothing. Not summoned, not born, they arrived as if the laws of reality had written them into place. On the third planet from The Sun, a cold world of basalt plains and fractured obsidian spires, they appeared. Silent. Still. Terrible.
The Red One stood tall, taught like a bowstring and gleaming like fresh blood. A living red, radiant and gleaming, like fire licking across oiled bronze. He seemed to have been carved from impact, a body shaped by collisions and force and stress endured and returned. His limbs were lean with every motion an insight into the storm contained within. The tilt of his chin spoke provocation, the twitches of his knuckles whispering of rhythm. Rather than shift his weight the world shifted around him. He coiled, like a predator in wait.
The Blue One was denser, broader. Forged rather than sculpted, his skin bore the shape of a deep ocean, like a lapis left underwater for eons. His back was so wide as to block the horizon, his arms hung low and ready like sledges. He stood, toes clawed into the rock like talons belonging to a great bird made of granite. He stood like a mountain not yet fallen, he stood as if gravity bowed down to him.
They were not alive in any biological sense, nor were they machines nor weapons nor avatars of violence. They were violence. Violence in its earliest, most elemental form. Unreasoning, unrelenting, irreplicable. Their presence spoke of collapse, the planet beneath them feeling the weight of their inevitably and bracing for death. The Sun flared in the distance, reverent.
The Blue One moved first.
With no sound nor shout, he stepped forward and the ground beneath him cratered, fault lines raced outwards as the tectonic shelf snapped like old bone. Mountains began to list, the planet exhaled dust. The Red One answered, his body sliding forward in a straight line faster than light should have allowed. A pivot of the hip, a raising of the knee, the kick landed on The Blue One’s ribs with a thunderclap that split the sky in half. Atmosphere peeled away in spirals, the shock travelling through space and striking a nearby moon enough to shift its orbit.
The Blue One barely flinched, turning with the blow. Flowing like a glacier, he locked his arms around The Red One’s waist and threw. Not to the fractured ground, not at the planet, but through the crust of the globe itself did he throw his opponent. The Red One flew, the force burning him shoulder-first into the ground. The planet buckled. A continent caved inwards, The Blue One advanced. Leaping after his foe, he struck elbow first. A falling hammer driving into The Red One’s sternum, the impact flash fried a thousand square miles.
The mantle cracked, magma hissed in the open air then turned to glass in the vacuum produced by the explosivity of the onslaught.
The Red One’s strikes came in bursts. High knees, driving elbows, arcing heels and crashing fists that twisted waves across the world’s crust. Every kick rended the sky, every feint warped light. He fought like a war drum’s sound made flesh, a cadence born to shatter.
The Blue One met every flurry with gravity, stillness and interrupted motion, frames that redirected the force. He slammed his shoulder into The Red One, driving him through a mountain and down into a trench that had not existed prior. He broke a ridge with a toss. He crushed a valley with a pin. They rose.
Again and again they fell and rose.
The planet wept, The Sun burned brighter. It watched. It was enraptured, and it knew this was what stars were made for. Witnessing.
The Red One leapt backwards, heel slicing the air to ribbons. The Blue One met the blow with his shoulder and rolled, catching the leg, absorbing the motion and redirecting it into a throw that sent The Red One into orbit. Stone shattered and clouds collapsed, the sky turning black as the atmosphere fled. The Red One arced up, his body curled and twisting mid-flight. And then he dived back down, a crescent kick like a meteor.
He hit, the planet broke from pole to pole. The equator ruptured like a seam, The Sun pulsed with pure gold light.
Rising from the smoking crater, skin cracked in long glowing lines where pressure had exceeded even his unknowable resilience, The Red One narrowed his eyes. From his wounds came not blood, only heat. Not quite fire, not quite plasma, but something older dripped from him. He felt not pain, he felt nothing but the present moment.
The Blue One had not moved, he stood in the shattered landscape as the last of the atmosphere howled away into the skyless dark, silhouette wrapped in drifting ash. His breath came slow, seismic, like tectonic shifts. His jaw hung loose from the orbital kick, but even that was beginning to settle back into place with the low, grinding sound of mountains realigning. The Red One charged, no feint or flourish. Just devastating, pure speed. The ground did not survive his approach, each step sending shards of bedrock fountaining into orbit. He reached The Blue One and vanished into a flurry of strikes.
Fists, elbows, knees, palms, he became a symphony of close-quarters obliteration. Every strike placed with such precision that continents moved in reaction. A spinning elbow to the base of The Blue One’s skull and a ridge on the opposite side of the crumbling planet fell into the sea. A push kick landed on the chest sent The Blue One rocketing through layers of geography, and then into vacuum. The Red One pursued, and now they were above the world.
Their limbs wrapped like serpents, clinching for the domination of physics itself, The Blue One shifted and The Red One was beneath him. They slammed down onto the planet’s moon, their combined force cracking the satellite in half. One half spun away, bleeding dust and ice, and the other held the two combatants. A jagged shelf of rock beneath their feet, they stood.
Not dazed, not tired, they just stood there while The Sun held its breath.
The Red One brought his hands up, The Blue One stepped forward, a crack on his back bleeding blue light bright as a star core and cold as dead gravity. The half-moon shuddered as again they moved.
They met in the void between moon and planet, nothing beneath but ruin. They collided, fists to bodies, and the vacuum tore. A wave of pure, directionless force unbound by physical laws erupted, striking the neighboring planet and slicing off a third of its mass in one clean line. Then they began to grapple, not the crude wrestling of creatures but the impossible mechanics of force against force. The Blue One latched a grip onto The Red One’s thigh and drove his adversary downwards, a throw that had no business in existence. The Red One reversed before the throw ended, pulling The Blue One through a content-sized asteroid that had drifted too close. It split, they barely noticed.
They continued. Their bodies burned. Time slowed around them because time was trying to understand what it was watching.
The Red One ducked under a strike and drove his fist into The Blue One’s solar plexus seven times in rapid succession. Each impact echoed through space in pulses of unknowable force. On the far edge of the solar system in which they fought, a gas giant collapsed into itself from the resonance, folding into a molten knot of elements.
The Blue One responded by grabbing space itself and folding it, wrestling the fabric of reality into submission. He appeared behind The Red One, cinching his hip and wrenching them both down to another planet. Another battlefield, a molten world of magma and fire and ash. The two burst through the planet, emerging on the opposite side trailing mantle like a burning cape.
The Sun watched, its surface rippling and flaring. The Sun was thrilled because it remembered. Before light, before motion, before time, there had only ever been this.
Collision.
Contact.
Violence.
They stood in the ruins of the molten world, the ground beneath them cooling to stone out of deference. The sky had fractured, not just from the loss of an atmosphere but from something deeper, a kind of structural failure in the geometry of geometry. The solar wind flowed, spiraling in great ribbons of gold and white around the chaos, veils before an altar.
The Sun glowed with impossible flares, golden snakes of radiation snapping like tongues at the sweet violence. Without malice, without hate, without reason, for itself, as itself, the sweet violence spoke euphoria to The Sun. It beheld them, its light curving in on them.
The Red One and The Blue One.
They circled now, The Red One moving first because he must. He was the first blow, the daring move, the unexpected opening. His step sent waves ripping over the broken, molten sea, each footfall forging patterns in the magma that hardened to black glass instantly. His body was a blur of coiled muscle and explosive lines, he launched a combination with no build up only arrival. A forward elbow came like a falling star, his hips turning and torso twisting. The crack of the blow enough to peel the dusty crust off a nearby moon.
The Blue One caught it.
He grabbed the elbow. Simple.
But the simplicity was a falsehood. The catch absorbed the force, channeled it into a pivot, into a shoulder throw, and into a fall that was as certain as entropy. The Red One was suddenly locked inside a throw, a real one. Nothing fancy, nothing acrobatic.
Just form, perfect and brutal.
The world flipped.
The Red One was hammered into what remained of the planet, and the crust gave way entirely. The core was exposed. A pulsing, ferrous heart suspended in a chasm of gravity. The pressure alone should have turned them to mist. But they were not matter, they were the idea of matter in conflict. The Red One kicked off the inner shell of the core, launching at his opponent and striking with a knee that could have pierced a black hole. Then a second knee. A third. He spun, delivering an elbow that hit like creation.
They clinched mid-void, locked in something part wrestling and part cosmic storm. They rolled through space, grappling as fragments of planets rose around them. They slammed into these rocky, sometimes molten, satellites, each impact creating new rings of planetary debris. And then The Red One broke free, twisting under The Blue One’s arm. He brought his foot around in a wide arc, cutting objects in its path with the mere intention of the strike. The debris followed the motion, launching at The Blue One. The Blue One didn’t dodge, he walked through it. Meteor chunks exploded against his shoulders, shards of worlds split around his head. He advanced unblinking, seizing The Red One’s Neck like a craftsman seizing his tool. He lifted The Red One overhead and slammed him into the side of a passing asteroid the size of a city. It dissolved on contact, as if embarrassed to be less real than this fight.
The Sun was closer now, truly closer. Its gravity warped space in spirals, dragging light and heat and attention inwards towards the two. Something ancient stirred in The Sun, some memory of before time, and it began to cheer. In pulses of radiation that matched the rhythm of the blows, The Sun cheered. The Blue One broke a comet over The Red One’s back, The Red One caught a falling moon and used it as a fist. The moon was caught mid swing and thrown away. The Sun ate it gladly.
There came a moment when neither struck.
It was brief, impossibly so, yet vast. A pause between collisions, a single beat in which fists hovered nanometers from flesh, torsos twisted in motionless torque, eyes lock. They were no longer bodies. They were concepts, so real the universe bent to accommodate their stillness. In that moment, the stars cracked.
Reality, the substrate, the lattice upon which distance and dimension were pinned, could no longer contain the sum of what had happened. Their fight had destroyed mass, broken gravity, made a sun cheer, and now they had ruptured causality. Time slipped around them like water unable to wet oil, space no longer knew what direction to offer them. They had exceeded the language of physics. Their fight had become too pure, too perfect. Too sustained. Too real.
The Red One drove an elbow into The Blue One’s throat as his spine was crushed in turn. Simultaneously, perfectly, everywhere. The impact did not happen in space, it removed space and their fight fell. Fell not down, not across, but fell outside the void.
And they were gone.
Not dead, not defeated. Gone in the same way thought disappears when spoken aloud. Transformed, transcended, lifted out of the medium that once held them. The void did not ripple, it healed itself as if embarrassed to have been breached so casually. All that remained was The Sun.
It was not disappointed, nor was it afraid. It had witnessed, and it was ecstatic.
The Sun spun slowly at the center of the hollow system, now emptied of planets and dust, scorched clean by the two who had met within its boundaries. The Sun calmed, flares receding. The cheer it had made, pulse by radiant pulse, echoed now as deep, slow tones beneath its roiling surface.
Anticipation.
It turned, it focused, it called back its fragmented moons and planets and elements. Already, new crust was forming, gravity was returning, spheres began to take shape from the scattered remains.
The Sun would wait, as it had waited before, as it would wait again. The violence was not over. Somewhere, beyond the skin of things, The Red One and The Blue One still tumbled, still struck, still grappled. Maybe they would return, maybe they would find their way back through the cracks they had made.
Or maybe they would fall forever, perfect and unknowable.
But The Sun would be ready, and the arena would be whole.
 
I watched a video the other day on "writing groups" and why they are basically filled with liberal women who just want other people to pat their asses.

Has anyone encountered one that was not like that? Genuine interest in other people's work, feedback, etc..

I did one of those huge "write with me" groups once and the zoom call was literally all weirdos. It was not helpful.
Went to one of these once, there were very ugly people and a brony that were all asspatting about their hard lives. There was a boomer there that wrote something fun but he seemed really out of place.

It was like I just walked into the last episode of a show. Everyone knew each other, and was very nice. They were definitely weirdos (kids that wore furry tails to high school kind of people) but the teacher was leaving and every meeting after that got cancelled lol. so I was just sitting there trying to figure out what was going on.
 
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Went to one of these once, there were very ugly people and a brony that were all asspatting about their hard lives. There was a boomer there that wrote something fun but he seemed really out of place.

It was like I just walked into the last episode of a show. Everyone knew each other, and was very nice. They were definitely weirdos (kids that wore furry tails to high school kind of people) but the teacher was leaving and every meeting after that got cancelled lol. so I was just sitting there trying to figure out what was going on.
I was in writing club in high school and I’ll be real, total fags all of them.
Unless it’s you and your bro, they probably make your writing worse than if you just sat down and wrote then sent it to someone to proofread. Like, no Mx. Genderblob, I don’t think my story would be improved by adding BIPOCs and queers.
 
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