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There's no way to fix the Second Amendment. Let's just get rid of it​

Who says history doesn't repeat itself? It sure does when it comes to the aftermath of mass shootings.

After Columbine, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Orlando, Virginia Tech, Margery Stoneman Douglas, El Paso, Buffalo, Uvalde and so many others, it's always the same.

First, shock. Then, grief. Then, a demand for action. Then, the phony claim: Too bad, but we can't do anything about guns because of the Second Amendment. And then, nothing is done to prevent the next attack.

This time, could things be different? After the senseless assassination of 19 elementary school students and two teachers in Uvalde, Texas, senators of both parties are actually talking about a compromise on guns.

But don't hold your breath. No matter what they come up with, chances are still slim that there will be 10 Republicans willing to override the filibuster. (A total of 60 votes are needed to end a filibuster in the evenly-divided US Senate.)

Anything they agree on will probably just nibble around the edges of the gun issue. Sen. John Cornyn, the lead Republican negotiator, has already vetoed one of the most sensible proposals: raising the legal age for buying an assault weapon from 18 to 21 years.

There's no way, especially in this election year, that Republicans will let anything out of the Senate that would ruffle the feathers of the National Rifle Association.

President Joe Biden's proposals come close to what's really needed, with his bold call for universal background checks, eliminating ghost guns and renewing the ban on assault weapons. But even that's not enough to convince some conservative Americansthat the Second Amendment is an open license arm themselves, even with weapons that belong on the battlefield.

Let's face it. The way many judges and conservatives interpret the Second Amendment is a total con job. And, as wildly misinterpreted today, it is, for all intents and purposes, a license to kill as many people as you want with as many guns as you want.

The only effective way to deal with the Second Amendment is to repeal it — and then replace it with something that makes sense in a civilized society.

I'm hardly the first person to say that the Second Amendment has been a disaster for this country. In fact, two Supreme Court justices — justices appointed by Republican presidents — have said as much.

In a March 2018 opinion piece for the New York Times, former Justice John Paul Stevens, who was appointed by then-President Gerald Ford, wrote that Americans protesting the massacre of 17 people at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School "should demand a repeal of the Second Amendment."

He explained: "A constitutional amendment to get rid of the Second Amendment would be simple and would do more to weaken the NRA's ability to stymie legislative debate and block constructive gun control legislation than any other available option."

And decades earlier, in 1991, former Chief Justice Warren Burger, appointed by President Richard Nixon, told the PBS Newshour: "If I were writing the Bill of Rights now, there wouldn't be any such thing as the Second Amendment.

Burger called the Second Amendment "one of the greatest pieces of fraud — I repeat the word 'fraud' — on the American people by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime."

The words: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Read it again. There's no way you can logically leap from those 27 words about the existence of a state militia to the unfettered right of any citizen to buy as many guns — and any kind of gun — that they want, without the government being able to do anything about it.

It's clear from the wording of the Second Amendment itself that it has nothing to do with individual gun ownership; nothing to do with self-defense; and nothing to do with assault weapons. The amendment speaks, not to the rights of well-armed individual citizens, but only to citizens as members of a group, a "well regulated militia."

And its history is well-known. The founders saw no need to mention guns in the original Constitution. As many constitutional scholars and American historians have shown, the Second Amendment was added later by James Madison as part of a deal to secure the support of Patrick Henry and other White racist Virginians for confirmation of the Constitution. Noted academic Carol Anderson, for one, describes the "anti-Blackness" that lies at the heart of the Second Amendment in her book "The Second," as well as its "architecture of repression."

As such, it was not about self-defense. It was, in the opinion of these historians, about reassuring Whiteplantation owners that the new federal government would not interfere with their practice of forming White militias to patrol the South, ready to put down rebellionby disgruntled Black slaves or chase down slaves who tried to flee.

And again, the amendment has nothing to do with self-defense or allowing ownership of any kind of gun. As Stevens noted in his New York Times op-ed: "For over 200 years after the adoption of the Second Amendment, it was uniformly understood as not placing any limit on either federal or state authority to enact gun control legislation."

Two things changed that. First, a band of gun extremists took over the NRA at its 1977 annual convention in Cincinnati and changed its mission from championing the Second Amendment as the right of hunters to giving every American the right to own a gun for self-defense. The NRA proceeded, successfully, to sell that unfounded idea of self-defense to politicians and the general public.

Second, in 2008, former Justice Antonin Scalia wrote the majority opinion in District of Columbia v. Heller,which — again for the first time in over 200 years — established the right of every American under the Second Amendment to own a gun for self-defense. And he rounded up four other votes.

However, it's important to note that even in Heller, Scalia took pains to argue that as with other rights, those granted under the Second Amendment are not unlimited — and that governments retain the power to regulate what kind of guns, or how many, people may own.

Of course, those provisions of Heller are conveniently ignored by gun worshippers like Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, who uphold the Second Amendment as reinterpreted by Scalia. That flawed reasoning allowed a Texas teenager to buy two AR-15's on his 18th birthday, walk into an elementary school and mow down 19 students and two teachers.

We are a sick nation indeed, if we allow that idiocy to stand.

Of course, it won't be easy to repeal the Second Amendment. It would require a constitutional amendment, passed by two-thirds of the House and Senate and three-quarter of the states. Or a constitutional convention, called by two-thirds of the states, with any proposed changes approved by three-quarters of the states. But, difficult or not, it's still the right thing to do.

We are condemned to more and more mass killings until we do the right thing: Stop arguing about the Second Amendment — and just get rid of it.
 
This is why I hang out in the A&H, so much to learn. This remains the sole thing about America that I've still not at least partially wrapped my head around.

I get the practical cynicism, you can 't get rid of this amendment because nobody wants to be the first person to back down on owning their gun, and you're all very jumpy because you know everyone else has guns, I think I get that. You're not getting rid of sad bastards who want to shoot schools up, because it's just social wear and tear at this point. You can't put faith in either the police to help responsibly, because they're too corrupt or inept, nor can you trust the black people, since they're only qualified and solvent for organised crime. The media is obviously going to try and pretend this is unbecoming and embarrassing for the greatest nation in the world, even though I'm pretty sure you can't work in a newsroom over there without a shooting range membership. Even President Biden has to pretend that he thinks arming teachers is crazy while he waves his dual wielded shotguns in his dog's face.

But is that it, unironically? Like no snarkiness, for all the libtard memes and macho posturing and strange equivalencies about abortion, is the message that we're not getting outside that you actually don't feel safe in your own country, from minorities, from crazy people, from corrupting influences from gays and socialists, from your own "white supremacist" law enforcement, that you genuinely believe that teachers and schoolchildren should be trained and armed with guns? So the only practical solution to mass shootings is mass deterrence? Or is it that routine shootings with automatic firearms is just the expected price to pay so one can defend one's own turf? Is this what's going on? When Wayne LaPierre describes a world that's almost predatory, did that actually gel with your reality? I'm going to guess that you hold the 2nd Amendment in such broad esteem less because of what it actually, logically means, but rather than what it stands for - that the founders of your country anticipated the pragmatism of civilians having protected access to weapons, thus granting a unique means of self-agency and protection found almost nowhere else on Earth? Is that it? I'm sorry if this sounds like a Spock monologue, I'm genuinely trying to figure it out. I seriously want to understand what people are experiencing that makes the idea of any reduction of civilian access to machine guns unacceptable.
American here. The Second Amendment came about because the Founding Fathers just got done fighting off the most powerful army on the planet at the time, something the dumbass of this article seems to have completely missed. Knowing that they might be invaded again, and that they lacked a proper military, they needed every abled-bodied man to be able to fight at a moment's notice. Hence, they inscribed the following words into the Constitution:

"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

This is why guns tend to get associated with "freedom," because civilians having access to it gave it to us in the first place. The term "well-regulated militia" tends to get misunderstood by gun-grabbers because they fail to understand the context in which it was written. They seem to think it refers to the kind of professional military that America has today, but back then, a "well-regulated militia" consisted of nothing more than Average Joes with muskets.

Now, look at the biggest dictatorships out there, and you'll notice one of the first things they do is strip the populace of their ownership of firearms. Why? Because then they can't fight back against a tyrannical government. It's significantly harder to dethrone you if you have all the guns and they don't. Taking away guns is all about securing power over the people. A government afraid of its people works in the interest of the people, while a government with no fear takes advantage of them.

So when you say it's about pragmatic civilian access to weapons, that is exactly what it is. If there's a robber in my home or a mugger robbing me in the street, I can protect myself from those goons. If a foreign army invades, every Tom, Dick, and Jane will have the power to fight them off (or rather, should, since gun laws have been crept upon for decades). If the government becomes tyrannical and no-longer works in the interest of peoples' freedoms, we can take matters into our own hands. Does that make us sound paranoid and untrusting? Probably, but looking at the news makes me feel increasingly justified in my paranoia.
 
This is why I hang out in the A&H, so much to learn. This remains the sole thing about America that I've still not at least partially wrapped my head around.

I get the practical cynicism, you can 't get rid of this amendment because nobody wants to be the first person to back down on owning their gun, and you're all very jumpy because you know everyone else has guns, I think I get that. You're not getting rid of sad bastards who want to shoot schools up, because it's just social wear and tear at this point. You can't put faith in either the police to help responsibly, because they're too corrupt or inept, nor can you trust the black people, since they're only qualified and solvent for organised crime. The media is obviously going to try and pretend this is unbecoming and embarrassing for the greatest nation in the world, even though I'm pretty sure you can't work in a newsroom over there without a shooting range membership. Even President Biden has to pretend that he thinks arming teachers is crazy while he waves his dual wielded shotguns in his dog's face.

But is that it, unironically? Like no snarkiness, for all the libtard memes and macho posturing and strange equivalencies about abortion, is the message that we're not getting outside that you actually don't feel safe in your own country, from minorities, from crazy people, from corrupting influences from gays and socialists, from your own "white supremacist" law enforcement, that you genuinely believe that teachers and schoolchildren should be trained and armed with guns? So the only practical solution to mass shootings is mass deterrence? Or is it that routine shootings with automatic firearms is just the expected price to pay so one can defend one's own turf? Is this what's going on? When Wayne LaPierre describes a world that's almost predatory, did that actually gel with your reality? I'm going to guess that you hold the 2nd Amendment in such broad esteem less because of what it actually, logically means, but rather than what it stands for - that the founders of your country anticipated the pragmatism of civilians having protected access to weapons, thus granting a unique means of self-agency and protection found almost nowhere else on Earth? Is that it? I'm sorry if this sounds like a Spock monologue, I'm genuinely trying to figure it out. I seriously want to understand what people are experiencing that makes the idea of any reduction of civilian access to machine guns unacceptable.
It's multifaceted. As mentioned above the Founders wanted America secure from threats both foreign and domestic and had just won a war which was only winnable because there were enough pissed off armed citizens to bolster ranks until the French decided it was worth helping out. It wasn't until events like Fort Ticonderoga that the French really committed anything to the war, and for a long time until they arrived and sent munitions and supplies, the Continental army was very reliant on private citizens who just happened to be as well armed as the military they were fighting. Private citizens contributed artillery, warships, firearms, powder supplies and manpower.
We literally only survived long enough to become a nation because of private gun ownership. Which I suspect is why the American left has been so hell bent on erasing our founding history as much as possible, so they can change that...but it is the objective truth.

Adding to that, there's a reason America has never been successfully invaded. The Brits tried in 1812 and were repelled by a better military but also by more militia forces and also hilariously a bunch of pirates led by a Frenchman because nothing can stay the French's thirst for English blood.

Santa Anna briefly tried in a counterpush to encroachment by the Texans but were quickly repelled, both by localized groups like the prototype Texas Rangers and military as well as by ordinary armed men with guns who heard "remember the Alamo" and decided that was all the excuse they needed to go to a fight.

It comes down to a simple truism.
Armed men are citizens.
Unarmed men are subjects.
 
American here. The Second Amendment came about because the Founding Fathers just got done fighting off the most powerful army on the planet at the time, something the dumbass of this article seems to have completely missed. Knowing that they might be invaded again, and that they lacked a proper military, they needed every abled-bodied man to be able to fight at a moment's notice. Hence, they inscribed the following words into the Constitution:

"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

This is why guns tend to get associated with "freedom," because civilians having access to it gave it to us in the first place. The term "well-regulated militia" tends to get misunderstood by gun-grabbers because they fail to understand the context in which it was written. They seem to think it refers to the kind of professional military that America has today, but back then, a "well-regulated militia" consisted of nothing more than Average Joes with muskets.

Now, look at the biggest dictatorships out there, and you'll notice one of the first things they do is strip the populace of their ownership of firearms. Why? Because then they can't fight back against a tyrannical government. It's significantly harder to dethrone you if you have all the guns and they don't. Taking away guns is all about securing power over the people. A government afraid of its people works in the interest of the people, while a government with no fear takes advantage of them.

So when you say it's about pragmatic civilian access to weapons, that is exactly what it is. If there's a robber in my home or a mugger robbing me in the street, I can protect myself from those goons. If a foreign army invades, every Tom, Dick, and Jane will have the power to fight them off (or rather, should, since gun laws have been crept upon for decades). If the government becomes tyrannical and no-longer works in the interest of peoples' freedoms, we can take matters into our own hands. Does that make us sound paranoid and untrusting? Probably, but looking at the news makes me feel increasingly justified in my paranoia.
People also seem to forget that Selective Service, basically if a draft happens you can be called to fight, is mandatory for adult males in the US. So, if you’re in the Selective Service, and you have to be if you’re a man, congratulations nigga you’re in a milita.
 
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I'm not burger so this might be a silly question, but why do they not mention the historical context? Look at the permissable behaviour when the law was passed, that's the intended use. Extrapolate as needed.
Because it would support the exact opposite of what they want. If you're an Anglo you need to understand that there was no US navy when it declared independence. What capabilities they did have to use in the limited capacity they did came almost exclusively from private citizens, who owned warships, cannons, and employed sailors and men-at-arms to protect their own interests. Likewise many land based ventures were essentially the customers supporting the arms industry of the US. There simply were not weapons that were prohibited only by virtue of being a weapon.

To extrapolate this would truly be to realize what it means not to infringe. It is what my heart yearns for.
 
Leftists like to think that human beings are a lot more evolved than ever before and that old wisdom no longer applies.

The Pandemic Era has been full of that. "Trust the science. Get your vaccine and don't ask any questions." To them "science" is always perfect these days. Maybe a century ago, a vaccine needed several years of development before it was ready, but today we're so much more advanced. We know everything about everything now. Seven months to make a vaccine is fine. So get your shot, you Cro-Mag.

The gun conversation is not much different with them. The very idea of potentially needing protection from government tyranny is a crazy and inconceivable notion to them. Anyone who brings it up is insane and probably somehow racist. "What, is it 1750? Government is awesome now. Government is full of diverse people who care about us. My mayor is a black lesbian! She literally can't be an oppressor!" Meanwhile, China welding peoples' homes shut and Australia forcing people into quarantine camps are for the greater good. And so is giving up your gun, so hand it over, you knuckle-dragger.
 
Oh, they know the context. Vietnam and Afghanistan also do. You can't defeat an insurgent army as long as they have arms and can fight back.
The USA has never beaten that kind of army and never will. Why do you think we dropped A-bombs on Japan? If we occupied it, we would lose.
 
To extrapolate this would truly be to realize what it means not to infringe. It is what my heart yearns for.
As an anecdote - last year I've visited a 450 year old city named after its founder and (think about it) owner. That man defended his property with an artillery battalion and four thousand infantrymen with cavalry support.
 
Thank you for the informative answers. But then, is the answer to my question, the solution to gun violence is everyone should have a gun?

If I sound like I'm struggling with something obvious here, it's because I've grown up in Australia and Hong Kong. Ones a conservative country with liberal social norms, the other's an amusement park in a totalitarian state. Neither I or anybody I know in person has ever had any inclination to own a real firearm. To even see one, even in the hands of police or private enforcers, is rare. Most people in Australia don't want our strong gun laws repealed, and those that do are mostly hunters. Consequently, there's virtually no gun violence. It just doesn't happen. I've grown up with the idea (and some of you may believe it's indoctrination) that the sacrifice of certain 'indulgences' is necessary for order to prevail, as in the social contract - because, if the only person I can trust is myself, then fewer choices for everyone mean fewer chances for the people I don't trust to be wrong. That doesn't make government perfect or right, but it means that everyone plays by a shared reality of mutual disenfranchisement. I don't see anything I would gain, or how my life would improve, as a citizen, if we suddenly had rights to a weapon in either country, because all I'd be thinking about is that there would also be a large number of people I don't know and can't trust who had that same right. I used to believe that internal calculation was universal but that's obviously not true.

So if Americans look at China locking people in their own homes or Australia setting up quarantine camps and see oppression, I look at Americans getting absolutely hysterical about wearing face masks and being tracked by the government and see selfishness and disorder. If Americans look at countries that disarm their citizens as tyrannical and insidious, I see school shootings being called a government hoax as madness and anarchy.

I accept it's a probably unbridgeable culture clash and the whole premise of gun ownership is consistent with the ideals of personal freedom. But the rational of these beliefs tend not to be explained well in the advertising.
 
As much as I love the idea of being able to own my own tank, I would start to get REEEEEEEEEEEAL nervous about putting the power of private armies in the hands of Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos...
 
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Thank you for the informative answers. But then, is the answer to my question, the solution to gun violence is everyone should have a gun?
Allow me to answer your question with another question. Would you rob someone's house or mug someone on the street if you knew they were armed and willing to use it? Or would the thought that they might put up an adequate fight turn you away from the idea? Educating the people about owning and using a firearm for defense is a proven strategy to preventing tragedy. Not only that, but getting shot puts the wind out of a mad gunman's sails so quickly it's unreal. On the flip-side, if you aren't armed, the criminals certainly are. (This story happening in LA California, the most anti-gun State in the Union. Surprise-surprise, the criminals have guns anyway, so gun laws don't do shit.)

Neither I or anybody I know in person has ever had any inclination to own a real firearm. To even see one, even in the hands of police or private enforcers, is rare. Most people in Australia don't want our strong gun laws repealed, and those that do are mostly hunters. Consequently, there's virtually no gun violence. It just doesn't happen.
It's true that removing guns from the equation will reduce gun crime. I mean, how are you going to go on a shooting rampage if there are no guns, right? However, that's a band-aid solution to the societal rot that causes people to go on rampages in the first place. If it wasn't guns, it would be something else, like knives or cars.

Solving the root issues that cause people to do horrible things is hard. It's much easier to blame the tragedy on the tool that was used, so opportunistic fuck-wits we call politicians use these tragedies as a way to bolster their career to make it look like they're solving the problem, when in reality, they're just a stop-gap at best.

if the only person I can trust is myself, then fewer choices for everyone mean fewer chances for the people I don't trust to be wrong. That doesn't make government perfect or right, but it means that everyone plays by a shared reality of mutual disenfranchisement. I don't see anything I would gain, or how my life would improve, as a citizen, if we suddenly had rights to a weapon in either country, because all I'd be thinking about is that there would also be a large number of people I don't know and can't trust who had that same right. I used to believe that internal calculation was universal but that's obviously not true.
Speaking anecdotally, the law-abiding gun-owners I've met in person and online have been the friendliest people I've ever met. That's not to say you won't find some assholes here or there, but for the most part, we just wanna play with our loud toys in peace.

I accept it's a probably unbridgeable culture clash and the whole premise of gun ownership is consistent with the ideals of personal freedom. But the rational of these beliefs tend not to be explained well in the advertising.
You're probably right in that culture clash plays a huge factor. However, like all culture clashes, acclimation and education is the cure. If you ever find yourself in America, see if you can find someone who's willing to take you out to a gun range, or if you get permanent residency, get one yourself. I promise you they're not as scary as the fear-mongering media has brainwashed you. They're a lot of fun. Expensive, but fun.
 
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Memo to Bill Press, try to stay one night in South Chicago, East St. Louis, somewhere in Detroit without a gun and tell us how you feel without a weapon.
 
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I'm sorry if this sounds like a Spock monologue, I'm genuinely trying to figure it out. I seriously want to understand what people are experiencing that makes the idea of any reduction of civilian access to machine guns unacceptable.
It's a big country. Each man may have a different reason, but bears and mountain lions still exist. Social Workers cannot be called to de-escalate the situation. Jokes aside, animal control is not a service on speed dial, and police will come but do not rush to wild animal situations. Why would anyone who lives in areas near these creatures would want HARDER and LESS access to a means of self-defense seems like asking for injury and death. I don't know who Wayne LaPierre is, but the world is absolutely predatory, and full of literal & figurative predators.
 
Thank you for the informative answers. But then, is the answer to my question, the solution to gun violence is everyone should have a gun?

If I sound like I'm struggling with something obvious here, it's because I've grown up in Australia and Hong Kong. Ones a conservative country with liberal social norms, the other's an amusement park in a totalitarian state. Neither I or anybody I know in person has ever had any inclination to own a real firearm. To even see one, even in the hands of police or private enforcers, is rare. Most people in Australia don't want our strong gun laws repealed, and those that do are mostly hunters. Consequently, there's virtually no gun violence. It just doesn't happen. I've grown up with the idea (and some of you may believe it's indoctrination) that the sacrifice of certain 'indulgences' is necessary for order to prevail, as in the social contract - because, if the only person I can trust is myself, then fewer choices for everyone mean fewer chances for the people I don't trust to be wrong. That doesn't make government perfect or right, but it means that everyone plays by a shared reality of mutual disenfranchisement. I don't see anything I would gain, or how my life would improve, as a citizen, if we suddenly had rights to a weapon in either country, because all I'd be thinking about is that there would also be a large number of people I don't know and can't trust who had that same right. I used to believe that internal calculation was universal but that's obviously not true.

So if Americans look at China locking people in their own homes or Australia setting up quarantine camps and see oppression, I look at Americans getting absolutely hysterical about wearing face masks and being tracked by the government and see selfishness and disorder. If Americans look at countries that disarm their citizens as tyrannical and insidious, I see school shootings being called a government hoax as madness and anarchy.

I accept it's a probably unbridgeable culture clash and the whole premise of gun ownership is consistent with the ideals of personal freedom. But the rational of these beliefs tend not to be explained well in the advertising.

One of the big talking points against gun ownership by liberals and the rootless cosmopolitan professional managerial class in general is that the police and government will keep order and provide some sense of justice.

The liberals destroyed their own main talking point to get rid of Trump and pander harder than ever to niggers and soycucks. And they are trying to turn back time but its a failure because of so many true believers within their ranks that think defunding the police and destorying all prisons is a good idea.

I assume Hong Kong still has somewhat of a decent functioning justice system when it comes to petty crimes and murder and stuff setting aside politics and Australia would be roughly the same.

Though its interesting that gun ownership is seen as a right in America and some other nations like Switzerland and Czechia. And necessary in areas like Somalia and Yemen.

But the rest of the Anglosphere over time has demonized bearing of arms further while also fucking up their own lands further for Globohomo. And have sunk their claws into America trying to destroy the 2A here as well. Liberals used to and still do love hearing British sounding cunts shit on the 2A like John Oliver and that one other fattie on TV.

I do believe each culture is different in regards to how they view freedom and our obsession with gun rights do make us look "insane" to other nations.

But the rootless cosmopolitan white collar class has no problems these days getting in bed with the military industrial conplex and giving out guns like candy to cause war and strife like Ukraine recently in the news while trying to disarm their own citizens in many ways and as also silencing them as well.
 
I don't see anything I would gain, or how my life would improve, as a citizen, if we suddenly had rights to a weapon in either country, because all I'd be thinking about is that there would also be a large number of people I don't know and can't trust who had that same right. I used to believe that internal calculation was universal but that's obviously not true.
If you want to understand the American position on this you have to start with the assumption that those people you don't know and can't trust will have access to guns whether they "have the right" or not. Even if you've got the tightest gun laws in the world, some will slip through. Law enforcement isn't omnipotent.
If they were, though, and you really managed to stop all manufacture and import of firearms? All it takes is some dickhead with a couple of pipes, a free afternoon and a bit of ill intent to slap together a zip gun and go do a shooting anyway, and he'll be able to rack up a much higher body count than if his targets had had means to defend themselves.

As long as somebody somewhere knows that an explosion in a confined space can accelerate a projectile to deadly speeds (and that knowledge isn't going away anytime soon), somebody will have a gun. As long as somebody has a gun, nobody can ever be truly safe from guns. Genie's out of the bottle.

The next best form of safety after "guns do not exist," isn't "guns exist but only criminals and military get them," it's "guns exist and everybody has one, so don't go getting any funny ideas."
 
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Also, the millionth reminder that if white America were a separate country, it would a murder rate comparable to the Low Countries in Europe. 13 do 50 isn't just a meme.

The next best form of safety after "guns do not exist," isn't "guns exist but only criminals and military get them," it's "guns exist and everybody has one, so don't go getting any funny ideas."

Every piece of data we have suggests that murder was much more common in medieval Europe and ancient Rome than it is since the invention of the firearm. Even just looking at war deaths, turns out people were really good at genocide even when all they had was pointy sticks and weird hats. Zero evidence for the world being safer before guns were invented.

There is one specific crime that is more common since the invention of auto/semi-auto guns, that of a weirdo with divorced parents killing a dozen people in an afternoon, but it's so incredibly rare that it doesn't even make a blip on overall statistics.
 
Every piece of data we have suggests that murder was much more common in medieval Europe and ancient Rome than it is since the invention of the firearm. Even just looking at war deaths, turns out people were really good at genocide even when all they had was pointy sticks and weird hats. Zero evidence for the world being safer before guns were invented.
Agreed, but it was safer from guns. Gun death statistics in ancient Rome? Very low. Near zero. Same in pre-colonial America. Sure other causes may have been way up but that's just part and parcel, it's the gun violence we're concerned about today.

But like I said, genie's out of the bottle. Disarming regular citizens will only make it easier for armed criminals to harm them, and the best deterrent is the mutual assurance that fucking around will lead to finding out.
 
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You can't fix journoslime either, I say it's time we get rid of them. I'm serious in that, Journos should not have human rights or protections. In fact make it legal to beat the shit out of them. Think of the ratings! CNN is absolutely awful, but I'd tune in if every show was Brian Stelter feebly trying to run away from people with baseball bats who want to paint a picture on concrete using colors only within his skull. I think millions of others would too. Hire me Warner/Discovery.
 
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